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I got rid of my smartphone
2 years ago and now I began to understand it was maybe the best decision I`ve ever made
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmEDAzqswh8
Next step is getting rid of internet as crazy as it sounds.
Anyone else?
最近の変更はMr. D™が行いました; 2018年6月9日 11時11分
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Trovaa (Trovaa (Trovaa)) の投稿を引用:
Good job not actually answering the question

The one who original made that comment didn't answer the question either, he/she said why they should limit themselves which isn't an answer to the question if you got rid of the smartphone. but your position is even less valid and so is mine as we are adding nothing to this debate.
I don't bother getting rid of things that aren't causing problems. Hence I asked why should I impose restrictions on myself.
BAT EMPEROR OF EGYPT の投稿を引用:
Cdr. aLIEz の投稿を引用:
I don't bother getting rid of things that aren't causing problems. Hence I asked why should I impose restrictions on myself.

You're still young so you haven't had a chance to observe the differences in lifestyle when you omit the smartphone. Believe me when you get rid of it you'll see a dramatic change in mental processing ability.
I'm 27. I didn't get a smartphone until I was 20.
BAT EMPEROR OF EGYPT の投稿を引用:
Cdr. aLIEz の投稿を引用:
I don't bother getting rid of things that aren't causing problems. Hence I asked why should I impose restrictions on myself.

You're still young so you haven't had a chance to observe the differences in lifestyle when you omit the smartphone. Believe me when you get rid of it you'll see a dramatic change in mental processing ability.
Humans are quite literally one of the most adaptable species on Earth. What works for one generation won't necessarily work for another.

Us younger folk who've mostly been raised in this technology filled world are used to it. I'm going to assume that you're of an older generation, probably 30+, so you grew up in a world without the smartphone. You had to adapt to it when the smartphone made its grand entrance into the spotlight tech. We didn't. We've grown up with this, matured along with the tech itself, so our minds haven't adapted to it because they didn't need to adapt to it.

Basically, what I'm trying to get across is that you don't know that there will be a "dramatic change in mental processing ability".
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Cdr. aLIEz の投稿を引用:
I'm 27. I didn't get a smartphone until I was 20.

Yeah I know you've been doing lots of fancy things in your 20s. Not to sound offensive. But you haven't seen the world yet. Believe me your phone is deevolving you.
I've lived in 2 different countries, and been to 8 different ones. I might not have seen the world yet but I'm not exactly a frog living in a well either.

You seem to be very judgemental and jumping to conclusions with little to no evidence.
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highfivingbears の投稿を引用:
Basically, what I'm trying to get across is that you don't know that there will be a "dramatic change in mental processing ability".

I do.
Hate to be that guy, but you don't.

What you know is that YOU had that increase happen. What works for one guy, doesn't for another. I know for sure I wouldn't see a mental increase if I got rid of my smartphone (which I'm typing this on), and I'm betting that I might even see a decrease due to the lack of outside knowledge I would be getting. I would know jack about politics and world events.
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Cdr. aLIEz の投稿を引用:
I've lived in 2 different countries, and been to 8 different ones. I might not have seen the world yet but I'm not exactly a frog living in a well either.

You seem to be very judgemental and jumping to conclusions with little to no evidence.

Okay that's good. I'm sure you're going to see 8 more different ones as people like to do that in their 20s.

But all aside, it's not judging. It's just deducing the result that smartphones are detrimental. You don't have to type that you agree now, but I am right and you will agree one day.
I would try arguing against this, but you seem quite stuck in your ways, as most of the older folk I know.

Let me ask you this, however. Do you have a TV with cable television?
BAT EMPEROR OF EGYPT の投稿を引用:
Cdr. aLIEz の投稿を引用:
I've lived in 2 different countries, and been to 8 different ones. I might not have seen the world yet but I'm not exactly a frog living in a well either.

You seem to be very judgemental and jumping to conclusions with little to no evidence.

Okay that's good. I'm sure you're going to see 8 more different ones as people like to do that in their 20s.

But all aside, it's not judging. It's just deducing the result that smartphones are detrimental. You don't have to type that you agree now, but I am right and you will agree one day.
Everything that is addictive can be detrimental. Does it mean that it would 100% be? I don't think so. Maybe for a large percentage of people, it may be, but there are all kinds of people in the world and we all react differently to different things, based on our personalities and life experience.

I can, however, agree that spending time offline is healthier.
highfivingbears の投稿を引用:
BAT EMPEROR OF EGYPT の投稿を引用:

You're still young so you haven't had a chance to observe the differences in lifestyle when you omit the smartphone. Believe me when you get rid of it you'll see a dramatic change in mental processing ability.
Humans are quite literally one of the most adaptable species on Earth. What works for one generation won't necessarily work for another.

Us younger folk who've mostly been raised in this technology filled world are used to it. I'm going to assume that you're of an older generation, probably 30+, so you grew up in a world without the smartphone. You had to adapt to it when the smartphone made its grand entrance into the spotlight tech. We didn't. We've grown up with this, matured along with the tech itself, so our minds haven't adapted to it because they didn't need to adapt to it.

Basically, what I'm trying to get across is that you don't know that there will be a "dramatic change in mental processing ability".

i've never had need of one of these smart phones, but i have seen people older than myself with their fingers glued to their smartphone, it isn't just the younger generation with addiction issues.

i'm 30 and i have never seen the need for one, ever. it is more trouble than it is worth.

Now if i can find myself a job away from home i can spend most of it outside, the computer has no hold on me and i really couldn't care less to pack it away and leave it there. there is already too many things going on in my life that i won't really notice it.
"Moderation Gents".. that's what my Company Commander used to say to us. I still say it. You could abuse Kool-aid if you wanted, or Preperation H for that matter. Dont be stupid, thats all. Dont use one, use one. It doesn't matter. Just don't be stupid.
最近の変更はVince ✟が行いました; 2018年6月9日 23時08分
im not addicted to my smartphone and my computer(s) have helped me in many ways, without my computer i dont see how i could pass time, its WAY too hot to be an outdoors person, i dont wanna get wet with my clothes sticking to me, that is a miserable experience.
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highfivingbears の投稿を引用:
Hate to be that guy, but you don't.

What you know is that YOU had that increase happen. What works for one guy, doesn't for another. I know for sure I wouldn't see a mental increase if I got rid of my smartphone (which I'm typing this on), and I'm betting that I might even see a decrease due to the lack of outside knowledge I would be getting. I would know jack about politics and world events.

I do.

I know you wouldn't see it, but the increase is there. You should be learning news snd politics from a physical newspaper you order or TV channels or radio stations. It's healthier trust me.
TV is even worse than a smartphone. With my phone, I seek out my own information, can fact check that info, and can make my own conclusions. With 95% of the news channels, radio stations, and even newspapers I've seen have all been biased in some way or another, not presenting the full picture, or telling me what my opinion should be. Also, why would I want to order a newspaper and have to wait a couple of days for shipping, when I could just get it near instantly from my phone?

I'm not debating that offline time isn't healthy. I'm debating that smartphones aren't detrimental to society, or me as a person. In fact, they're incredibly useful.

I can fit nearly the entire sum of all human knowledge ever to be discovered... In my pocket. That sounds like science fiction, but it's fact. If you wanted to know how many moons Jupiter had, give me a few seconds to search it up and there you go.

Honestly, I consider smartphone to be a catalyst of an age of enlightenment. Sure, the internet was a thing before it, but internet usage increased exponentially with the advent of the smartphone.

If you don't want to use them, fine by me. Progress don't wait for you to accept it. It'll just barrel on to even greater heights.
BAT EMPEROR OF EGYPT の投稿を引用:
Cdr. aLIEz の投稿を引用:
Everything that is addictive can be detrimental. Does it mean that it would 100% be? I don't think so. Maybe for a large percentage of people, it may be, but there are all kinds of people in the world and we all react differently to different things, based on our personalities and life experience.

I can, however, agree that spending time offline is healthier.

Not about being offline. But about going about being online the proper way. No smartphone, tablet or instagram. Real things like actual hobbies on the computer that are good for the brain.
Who says you can't hold a hobby on a smartphone? They are tiny computers, after all.
Just to make one thing absolutely clear: mass media was not invented to inform people, if you do believe that you are naive to say the least.
Look up Edward Bernays, the nephew of Sigmund Freud and founder of modern state propaganda and corporate propaganda (PR) and the concept of mass psychology.

Got rid of my TV 11 years, and I am much more and better informed than anyone in my family that believes all the crap from the zombiebox.

All Newspapers in my country are owned by a small number of superrich families, They`re not completely useless, but when it comes to important things you can`t trust their official line.

Anyone with a smartphone I know has a rather low attentionspan, allegedly on averrage less than a goldfish.They have accces to information, but they`re not processing or understanding any of that information, just repeating stuff they`re getting from the web and I was just like that, too.
Also I literally can`t name a single person from my area, friends, family that is not addicted to the internet.
And you`ll never use and develop (means leveling up you know) skils, like for example the skill to navigate. If your phone is guiding you just like a cow on a nosering to the next ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ or whatever you`re lost the second your battery goes empty.
From my time as voluntary at a small communal open air theatre, I have learned that the memory is a muscle, use it and it gets stronger. People with smartphones don`t know things, they don`t remember stuff, they google.
Also worked at a students bar when I was young, and from what I can tell is that people with smartphones are less communicative, they are less aware of what is happening around them and they socialize less. I have seen worker colleagues coming in, order, eat, pay and leave without talking to each other a word, just hanging over their tiny screens ignoring life around them.

How many people these days can actually do ANYTHING? Singing, dancing, playing an instrument, gardening, woodworking, doing basic math without their calcualtor app, having a good orientation sense or a good memory, being capable of talking about a subject without looking up the internet every 5 minutes? Apparently more and more companies in my country have difficutlies finding youngsters as apprentices that have an IQ above roomtemperature.

It is evolution.
If you adapt to technology to the point that you can`t exist without it, you become a useless pile of meat without it.

This is my opinion, based on my experience and research, if anyone is triggered by that, go somewhere else. I am not demanding from anyone to follow. I was/am curious if there are other people with similar experiences.
That`s all. Thanks to everyone telling their story. Cheers.
最近の変更はMr. D™が行いました; 2018年6月10日 9時52分
It's all about how you use smartphones. In fact, I agree with both of you that they can be unhealthy. However, I guess I'm the exception to the rule of detrimental smartphone usage.

I can sing. I can't dance, but that's mainly because I'm not comfortable dancing. I've done gardening, woodworking, basic math is a breeze for me. Just yesterday night I talked to my father about twenty different subjects for hours on end until about 3 AM.

I can do and will improve on doing all of that, and I use my smartphone on the daily, I'd say an average of five or so hours per day now that school's out. Simply put, the reason why you see all of these young people so addicted to their phones is because they let it control their life. I don't. I could care less how many followers I have, how many likes my picture got on Instagram.

I control my life, not a tiny combination of metals and plastics that are smaller than my hand.

It's all about how you use it.
Blargo 2018年6月10日 10時03分 
I think the argument trying to be made here is against social media, not smartphones themselves.
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