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Alf 2018 年 5 月 26 日 下午 5:07
Why Are you a Vegan or Vegetarian?
I find it silly that vegans say they don't eat meat because they don't want to harm life. However, something must die in order to sustain life. Besides, the earth can not support every living thing and death is the a way to maintain balance and more so since the human population is large and they live longer then they have in the past. If everyone became vegan, there would eventually be no plants left because people would have to eat a lot more to sustain themselves.
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ttb57 2018 年 5 月 28 日 上午 1:36 
I'm vegan coz I come from Vegania....:steammocking:
kate 2018 年 5 月 28 日 上午 1:44 
引用自 Gus the Crocodile
Plants feel pain too
No, they don't. They can respond to stimuli including damage, and like every living system, they try to maintain homeostasis in order to...remain living. That's not the same thing as "feeling pain".

Anyone who isn't just pretending to believe this would surely be horrified to observe, say, their neighbour mowing the lawn. Unless they were completely lacking in empathy, in which case it'd be a terrible idea to listen to them about morals anyway.
r/wooosh!
Nine-ball 2018 年 5 月 28 日 上午 2:39 
引用自 Dormé
引用自 Nine-ball

Oh, absolutely, just not that obviously false garbage.
Yeah dude. Just explain away the truth by calling it false garbage. And make sure to write a few paragraphs of BS that nobody will read. (In your mind) *You sure showed 'em.

And you can get away with quips that really showed me, along with my entire knowledge of human development. But I still get to eat cows, along with most of the world's economy.

https://www.livekindly.co/veganism-america-soars/

Yeah, if I valued the opinions of those people, I'd be one. Good thing I don't. Their food is awful, and amazingly, they tend to concentrate into failed states, as if they had some other agenda uniting them.

That's just me being crazy, though. No way they're a bunch of anti-capitalist puppets who have no idea what they're doing, which is precisely why they're going to leave me alone and never start shaming or barbarously attacking people who eat meat.

I don't actually believe the environmental arguments, and with good reason. They don't make any sense in the light they are portrayed in. If a few hundred million Europeans poisoined the Earth with carbon over less than a century, we are already well and truly ****ed by more than 5 billion people in developing nations doing the exact same thing.

Of course, we were ****ed anyway by the fact that the global mean temperature is higher than what we have now. If that was always going to happen, what's the benefit to driving around in a car that relies on radioactive rare-earth metals for charge, eating vegetables, and paying lots of otherwise productive capital into energy sources we know to be ineficient?

The benefit is profit for the people who back that crap, and they have made their intentions clear over and over again. Where they can't be efficient in the market, they try to take control through force of law. Your insistence, and the insistence of your sources, is a reflection of that. The old "It's for your own good" ploy.

Like hell it is. The day I start listening to people who say "the science is in," as if such a complex science as global climatology could be understood by the modern yuppie, is the day I shoot my worthless brain.

As I said before, you're not saving anything. All you're doing is being self-satisfied with your moral choices. You have a right to them, but you do not have a right to defraud others.

I don't think you intentionally defraud, nor do many, and I don't judge you for it. But just look at the stains who share your views. Look at what they make, or more often, don't make, and how they whine. How they riot. How they force. How they justify theft and violence.

They are legion, and they are out to create the same hell they always create without knowing it. Given that, surely you can forgive me for being skeptical. Be vegan and go in peace if that's what you want. You can even try to convince me. But do me the return favor of at least bothering to address my arguments and respecting my choices.

I cannot respect your sources because they don't convince, they demand. Demand is the resort of the illogical, right before violence. I do not respect that mentality. Except when I have to. It always comes to war. I cannot see this "green" perspective as being on the right side. Especially not when it comes to the cost in human lives. Humans are more important than animals. Each one is imbued with the potential intelligence of a supercomputer and beyond.

I would not trade them for the Earth in its entirety, even if I am willing to let some be free to make stupid choices and die. Humanity is a blessing to existence, so long as it is permitted to exist. It is the only thing that can save this planet through its ingenuity and understanding. And if you try to make it eat only plants it will lose billions. The energy you would need to make a peanut-munching society would actually create the death you fear, as nuttrients would have to be drawn directly from the soil.

How about, let's not do something that stupid at all, and ruin the soil in the name of protecting it, and let herbivores with gastric systems designed to process roughage to make it into fuel for us? Or, we could do what we already do, and genetically engineer them, along with the crops they eat, to make the ever-increasing food supply we have. Just a thought that has fueled society.

But no, you can't have that, can you? It would destroy your sense of identity, make your opinions invalid, and keep you from saving the world. No worries, I'm in the same boat, and I think technoloigcal growth is the key to saving the world. But so long as you keep this Vegan perspective, we're going to have to agree to disagree. I bet I can grow better soldiers and civlians with GMO and animals than you can ever make with a vegan diet. Again, just look at your allies. There are no vegan heavyweights or MMA champions. There are very few vegetarian soldiers at all. I think you're backing the wrong horse, or soybean, in this case.



最后由 Nine-ball 编辑于; 2018 年 5 月 28 日 上午 2:39
76109108007942031 2018 年 5 月 28 日 上午 2:44 
引用自 Nine-ball
引用自 Dormé
Yeah dude. Just explain away the truth by calling it false garbage. And make sure to write a few paragraphs of BS that nobody will read. (In your mind) *You sure showed 'em.

And you can get away with quips that really showed me, along with my entire knowledge of human development. But I still get to eat cows, along with most of the world's economy.

https://www.livekindly.co/veganism-america-soars/

Yeah, if I valued the opinions of those people, I'd be one. Good thing I don't. Their food is awful, and amazingly, they tend to concentrate into failed states, as if they had some other agenda uniting them.

That's just me being crazy, though. No way they're a bunch of anti-capitalist puppets who have no idea what they're doing, which is precisely why they're going to leave me alone and never start shaming or barbarously attacking people who eat meat.

I don't actually believe the environmental arguments, and with good reason. They don't make any sense in the light they are portrayed in. If a few hundred million Europeans poisoined the Earth with carbon over less than a century, we are already well and truly ****ed by more than 5 billion people in developing nations doing the exact same thing.

Of course, we were ****ed anyway by the fact that the global mean temperature is higher than what we have now. If that was always going to happen, what's the benefit to driving around in a car that relies on radioactive rare-earth metals for charge, eating vegetables, and paying lots of otherwise productive capital into energy sources we know to be ineficient?

The benefit is profit for the people who back that crap, and they have made their intentions clear over and over again. Where they can't be efficient in the market, they try to take control through force of law. Your insistence, and the insistence of your sources, is a reflection of that. The old "It's for your own good" ploy.

Like hell it is. The day I start listening to people who say "the science is in," as if such a complex science as global climatology could be understood by the modern yuppie, is the day I shoot my worthless brain.

As I said before, you're not saving anything. All you're doing is being self-satisfied with your moral choices. You have a right to them, but you do not have a right to defraud others.

I don't think you intentionally defraud, nor do many, and I don't judge you for it. But just look at the stains who share your views. Look at what they make, or more often, don't make, and how they whine. How they riot. How they force. How they justify theft and violence.

They are legion, and they are out to create the same hell they always create without knowing it. Given that, surely you can forgive me for being skeptical. Be vegan and go in peace if that's what you want. You can even try to convince me. But do me the return favor of at least bothering to address my arguments and respecting my choices.

I cannot respect your sources because they don't convince, they demand. Demand is the resort of the illogical, right before violence. I do not respect that mentality. Except when I have to. It always comes to war. I cannot see this "green" perspective as being on the right side. Especially not when it comes to the cost in human lives. Humans are more important than animals. Each one is imbued with the potential intelligence of a supercomputer and beyond.

I would not trade them for the Earth in its entirety, even if I am willing to let some be free to make stupid choices and die. Humanity is a blessing to existence, so long as it is permitted to exist. It is the only thing that can save this planet through its ingenuity and understanding. And if you try to make it eat only plants it will lose billions. The energy you would need to make a peanut-munching society would actually create the death you fear, as nuttrients would have to be drawn directly from the soil.

How about, let's not do something that stupid at all, and ruin the soil in the name of protecting it, and let herbivores with gastric systems designed to process roughage to make it into fuel for us? Or, we could do what we already do, and genetically engineer them, along with the crops they eat, to make the ever-increasing food supply we have. Just a thought that has fueled society.

But no, you can't have that, can you? It would destroy your sense of identity, make your opinions invalid, and keep you from saving the world. No worries, I'm in the same boat, and I think technoloigcal growth is the key to saving the world. But so long as you keep this Vegan perspective, we're going to have to agree to disagree. I bet I can grow better soldiers and civlians with GMO and animals than you can ever make with a vegan diet. Again, just look at your allies. There are no vegan heavyweights or MMA champions. There are very few vegetarian soldiers at all. I think you're backing the wrong horse, or soybean, in this case.
wow you really need to find a girlfriend or something geez
Jennfelde 2018 年 5 月 28 日 上午 2:55 
引用自 Sir Illic
引用自 Nine-ball

And you can get away with quips that really showed me, along with my entire knowledge of human development. But I still get to eat cows, along with most of the world's economy.



Yeah, if I valued the opinions of those people, I'd be one. Good thing I don't. Their food is awful, and amazingly, they tend to concentrate into failed states, as if they had some other agenda uniting them.

That's just me being crazy, though. No way they're a bunch of anti-capitalist puppets who have no idea what they're doing, which is precisely why they're going to leave me alone and never start shaming or barbarously attacking people who eat meat.

I don't actually believe the environmental arguments, and with good reason. They don't make any sense in the light they are portrayed in. If a few hundred million Europeans poisoined the Earth with carbon over less than a century, we are already well and truly ****ed by more than 5 billion people in developing nations doing the exact same thing.

Of course, we were ****ed anyway by the fact that the global mean temperature is higher than what we have now. If that was always going to happen, what's the benefit to driving around in a car that relies on radioactive rare-earth metals for charge, eating vegetables, and paying lots of otherwise productive capital into energy sources we know to be ineficient?

The benefit is profit for the people who back that crap, and they have made their intentions clear over and over again. Where they can't be efficient in the market, they try to take control through force of law. Your insistence, and the insistence of your sources, is a reflection of that. The old "It's for your own good" ploy.

Like hell it is. The day I start listening to people who say "the science is in," as if such a complex science as global climatology could be understood by the modern yuppie, is the day I shoot my worthless brain.

As I said before, you're not saving anything. All you're doing is being self-satisfied with your moral choices. You have a right to them, but you do not have a right to defraud others.

I don't think you intentionally defraud, nor do many, and I don't judge you for it. But just look at the stains who share your views. Look at what they make, or more often, don't make, and how they whine. How they riot. How they force. How they justify theft and violence.

They are legion, and they are out to create the same hell they always create without knowing it. Given that, surely you can forgive me for being skeptical. Be vegan and go in peace if that's what you want. You can even try to convince me. But do me the return favor of at least bothering to address my arguments and respecting my choices.

I cannot respect your sources because they don't convince, they demand. Demand is the resort of the illogical, right before violence. I do not respect that mentality. Except when I have to. It always comes to war. I cannot see this "green" perspective as being on the right side. Especially not when it comes to the cost in human lives. Humans are more important than animals. Each one is imbued with the potential intelligence of a supercomputer and beyond.

I would not trade them for the Earth in its entirety, even if I am willing to let some be free to make stupid choices and die. Humanity is a blessing to existence, so long as it is permitted to exist. It is the only thing that can save this planet through its ingenuity and understanding. And if you try to make it eat only plants it will lose billions. The energy you would need to make a peanut-munching society would actually create the death you fear, as nuttrients would have to be drawn directly from the soil.

How about, let's not do something that stupid at all, and ruin the soil in the name of protecting it, and let herbivores with gastric systems designed to process roughage to make it into fuel for us? Or, we could do what we already do, and genetically engineer them, along with the crops they eat, to make the ever-increasing food supply we have. Just a thought that has fueled society.

But no, you can't have that, can you? It would destroy your sense of identity, make your opinions invalid, and keep you from saving the world. No worries, I'm in the same boat, and I think technoloigcal growth is the key to saving the world. But so long as you keep this Vegan perspective, we're going to have to agree to disagree. I bet I can grow better soldiers and civlians with GMO and animals than you can ever make with a vegan diet. Again, just look at your allies. There are no vegan heavyweights or MMA champions. There are very few vegetarian soldiers at all. I think you're backing the wrong horse, or soybean, in this case.
wow you really need to find a girlfriend or something geez

Is Nine being serious? Please tell me he isn't.
76109108007942031 2018 年 5 月 28 日 上午 3:03 
引用自 morgan
引用自 Sir Illic
wow you really need to find a girlfriend or something geez

Is Nine being serious? Please tell me he isn't.
writing that much for a meme is pretty sad either way
Jennfelde 2018 年 5 月 28 日 上午 3:04 
引用自 Sir Illic
引用自 morgan

Is Nine being serious? Please tell me he isn't.
writing that much for a meme is pretty sad either way
I really just hope it's an meme, this person cannot be joking.

If they weren't, I'm concerned.
-Шasтe|Мanageмenт- 2018 年 5 月 28 日 上午 4:45 
引用自 Dormé
I feel sorry most of all for the animals, but the people who eat meat etc. are so ignorant, so lacking in empathy and compassion, I also feel sorry for them. They have no idea what kind of
harm they are doing to themselves and others, and what kind of strength comes from self discipline. Choosing to control yourself, what you eat, what you do. I still have things to master in myself but I know this is the right path, and there are many people also on this path. Thank God. People are changing. The world is changing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fx2m1pLbuQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QISizOO_x5E
I really hate this type of vegan .. Calling ppl ignorant and somekind of evil creature without ever meet or talk with them in person.
Ganger 2018 年 5 月 28 日 上午 4:53 
Vegans look ill to me.
Xero_Daxter 2018 年 5 月 28 日 上午 5:07 
Do you Vegans know how dangerous Deer are then they jump out of nowhere and you get into a car accident?

If only someone had killed and ate that deer none of this would be happening.
MADWACZ 2018 年 5 月 28 日 上午 5:45 
We eat enough plants, the rain forest areal Is diminishing and we are polluting the earth with our factories. I think the best solution is too stop the hurting the earth and being to eat animals only.
Jennfelde 2018 年 5 月 28 日 下午 6:22 
引用自 MADWACZ
We eat enough plants, the rain forest areal Is diminishing and we are polluting the earth with our factories. I think the best solution is too stop the hurting the earth and being to eat animals only.
But there's also an downside to that, since we USE factories to make sure you don't get diseases from raw animulz, and killing animals might screw up the eco-system more since the plants will start to reign supreme over all life.
T'ak Hyun-Shik 2018 年 5 月 28 日 下午 6:35 
引用自 Nine-ball
引用自 Dormé
Yeah dude. Just explain away the truth by calling it false garbage. And make sure to write a few paragraphs of BS that nobody will read. (In your mind) *You sure showed 'em.

And you can get away with quips that really showed me, along with my entire knowledge of human development. But I still get to eat cows, along with most of the world's economy.

https://www.livekindly.co/veganism-america-soars/

Yeah, if I was hella gay I would fook my dad and my brother really hard, and when I say hard I mean I fookin rap e that fookboy like it was my sister
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Rio 2018 年 5 月 28 日 下午 6:35 
I'm not a veg, and I don't care about the politics/moral gymastics of it or anything.
最后由 Rio 编辑于; 2018 年 5 月 28 日 下午 6:36
saranacX 2018 年 5 月 28 日 下午 6:36 
引用自 MADWACZ
eat animals only.
Constipation tho...
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