Can you survive without cheese?

[HOT DOG]

I'm learning about cheese. I think cheese is bad for you and controls people like zombies. . . .regardless of the positive benefits.

[Goblin]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von highfivingbears:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Paradox:

But that is beside the point. Humans are apes, evolved from apes, who are 99% fruit and vegetable eaters. Physiological comparison between humans and animals, carnivovres and herbivores, etc. shows exactly the diet we are meant to eat.

Humans aren't evolved from apes, if you mean the common ape you see today. Both species evolved from a common ancestor millions of years ago, and we are related, but the misconception that "Oh, humans came from monkeys/apes/gorillas" is absolutely false.

Also, we can eat whatever the heck we want. Humans are, on whole, omnivores, meaning they eat plant matter and meat. Personally, there's nothing I enjoy more than a nice steak or (even better) a Philly cheesesteak sandwich.

How Humans came around was quite strange, their ancestors use to be scavengers, then eventually evolved into predators, and hunted in groups with makeshift weapons. The Hunted became the hunters, and that was before even humans were a thing, it was just their ancestors.

[Goblin]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Paradox:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von highfivingbears:

Humans aren't evolved from apes, if you mean the common ape you see today. Both species evolved from a common ancestor millions of years ago, and we are related, but the misconception that "Oh, humans came from monkeys/apes/gorillas" is absolutely false.

And our common ancestor wasn't an ape? Maybe a monkey or ape magically sprang from a mouse? No there are many stages of development, and for the past many many thousands of years they resemble ape by modern classification of species, and their diet is the topic. You're looking for an argument where none exists, but yeah, good luck with that. Though yes, if we go back far enough into prehistoric times a little rodant like mouse is our common ancestor, who was also a herbivore.

https://www.livescience.com/31974-earliest-human-hunters-found.html

[Alpha]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von highfivingbears:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Paradox:

But that is beside the point. Humans are apes, evolved from apes, who are 99% fruit and vegetable eaters. Physiological comparison between humans and animals, carnivovres and herbivores, etc. shows exactly the diet we are meant to eat.

Also, we can eat whatever the heck we want. Humans are, on whole, omnivores, meaning they eat plant matter and meat. Personally, there's nothing I enjoy more than a nice steak or (even better) a Philly cheesesteak sandwich.

"We can eat whatever we want" Yes we can, doesn't mean it is ethically or morally right. I mean someone could slaughter and eat you. They could use the defense that hey some people in the past ate each other. Do you see where that logic fails? Oh but they think that there is nothing better than a human steak. Does that logic hold up?

[Alpha]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hooty:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Paradox:

And our common ancestor wasn't an ape? Maybe a monkey or ape magically sprang from a mouse? No there are many stages of development, and for the past many many thousands of years they resemble ape by modern classification of species, and their diet is the topic. You're looking for an argument where none exists, but yeah, good luck with that. Though yes, if we go back far enough into prehistoric times a little rodant like mouse is our common ancestor, who was also a herbivore.

https://www.livescience.com/31974-earliest-human-hunters-found.html

Nobody is arguing that humans became hunters and ate meat at some point in history.

[Goblin]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Paradox:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hooty:

https://www.livescience.com/31974-earliest-human-hunters-found.html

Nobody is arguing that humans became hunters and ate meat at some point in history.

"But that is beside the point. Humans are apes, evolved from apes, who are 99% fruit and vegetable eaters. Physiological comparison between humans and animals, carnivovres and herbivores, etc. shows exactly the diet we are meant to eat"
It's to show that they didn't exclusively eat fruit, and vegetables.

[laff]

This thread is about cheese, why is some vegan ranting about eating meat?

[Goblin]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von laff:

This thread is about cheese, why is some vegan ranting about eating meat?

No clue. Maybe they are trying to justify why they eat the way they do.

[Alpha]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hooty:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Paradox:

Nobody is arguing that humans became hunters and ate meat at some point in history.

"But that is beside the point. Humans are apes, evolved from apes, who are 99% fruit and vegetable eaters. Physiological comparison between humans and animals, carnivovres and herbivores, etc. shows exactly the diet we are meant to eat"
It's to show that they didn't exclusively eat fruit.

Our ape ancestors did, and our bodies are physiologically built for eating a plant based diet. Just because it became habit for some desperate humans in the past doesn't mean we need to, or that it is necessary or right. And the fact is it isn't necessary and if you looked at that link you would see the actual physiological evidence to see how different we are from carnivores and how similar we are to herbivores.

https://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html

[Alpha]

And by the way it wasn't meat or cooking meat that kick started our evolution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXRAmX5BaOw

[Goblin]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Paradox:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hooty:

"But that is beside the point. Humans are apes, evolved from apes, who are 99% fruit and vegetable eaters. Physiological comparison between humans and animals, carnivovres and herbivores, etc. shows exactly the diet we are meant to eat"
It's to show that they didn't exclusively eat fruit.

Our ape ancestors did, and our bodies are physiologically built for eating a plant based diet. Just because it became habbit for some desperate humans in the past doesn't mean we need to, or that it is necessary. And the fact is it isn't necessary and if you looked at that link you would see the actual physiological evidence to see how different we are from carnivores and how similar we are to herbivores.

https://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html

If our body is built for a plant eating diet, then why do more people eat meat it seems? Isn't that a bit odd? If that is suppose to be our diet, then i'd imagine most people would avoid meat, and not have a combination of both. We are able to eat meat quite easily.

[Goblin]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Paradox:

And by the way it wasn't meat or cooking meat that kick started our evolution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXRAmX5BaOw

Well, we involved into being able eat meat.

[Goblin]

But anyway, I am just not going to derail this thread any longer, as this is going nowhere.

Cheese is great, I could live without it, but damn, it's great with a lot of things.

[Alpha]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hooty:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Paradox:

Our ape ancestors did, and our bodies are physiologically built for eating a plant based diet. Just because it became habbit for some desperate humans in the past doesn't mean we need to, or that it is necessary. And the fact is it isn't necessary and if you looked at that link you would see the actual physiological evidence to see how different we are from carnivores and how similar we are to herbivores.

https://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html

If our body is built for a plant eating diet, then why do more people eat meat it seems? Isn't that a bit odd? If that is suppose to be our diet, then i'd imagine most people would avoid meat, and not have a combination of both. We are able to eat meat quite easily.

We need protein but there are plenty of protein rich plant based foods. Meat today with the knowledge and understanding we have is a choice. Just because so many people do it doesn't mean it's right or necessary, simply something that makes certain individuals a lot of money, and something a lot of people don't know any better about. We are born into these societies where it is normal, but that doesn't make it necessary or right. When you learn the truth then that is when it is a choice.

[highfivingbears]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Paradox:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hooty:

If our body is built for a plant eating diet, then why do more people eat meat it seems? Isn't that a bit odd? If that is suppose to be our diet, then i'd imagine most people would avoid meat, and not have a combination of both. We are able to eat meat quite easily.

We need protein but there are plenty of protein rich plant based foods. Meat today with the knowledge and understanding we have is a choice. Just because so many people do it doesn't mean it's right or necessary, simply something that makes certain individuals a lot of money, and something a lot of people don't know any better about. We are born into these societies where it is normal, but that doesn't make it necessary or right. When you learn the truth then that is when it is a choice.

Dude, we get it. I can't speak for others, but I respect your choices in food style, and I won't personally become a vegan. You do you though.

P.S. I don't think you'll be able to convince me to become vegan either. I can be quite stubborn.

[Alpha]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von highfivingbears:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Paradox:

We need protein but there are plenty of protein rich plant based foods. Meat today with the knowledge and understanding we have is a choice. Just because so many people do it doesn't mean it's right or necessary, simply something that makes certain individuals a lot of money, and something a lot of people don't know any better about. We are born into these societies where it is normal, but that doesn't make it necessary or right. When you learn the truth then that is when it is a choice.

Dude, we get it. I can't speak for others, but I respect your choices in food style, and I won't personally become a vegan. You do you though.

P.S. I don't think you'll be able to convince me to become vegan either. I can be quite stubborn.

You need to convince yourself. A good scientist or person who cares about basing their choices and decisions on facts would explore all information available. So you have to do that for yourself. I'm not here to convince anyone of anything except for them to find their own answers. You may choose to watch this video and see for yourself or you may not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4r2GXdi7lg

You can live in denial and pretending that the things you buy don't support cruelty that you couldn't actually stomach if you had to do it yourself, or you could inform yourself and choose a better lifestyle. But I should warn you that I believe that in the next life all of the suffering caused by an individual in this life will be revisted on them, perhaps forever if they have willfully commited it on other living beings. And some will beg for mercy and they will not be shown it, because they never chose to show it to other living beings in this life, through their choices in diet and other choices in life.