Why is TLJ getting so much hate?

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[zboz]

Publicado originalmente por ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍:

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You people have no idea what a Mary Sue is, and keep using it wrong.

Rey isn't one.

Nope she's a character who describes the force in a way which Luke says "WRONG", except how she describes it is exactly how they use it in the movie. Cause who the hell needs training to use the force right?

[Longhaul]

Publicado originalmente por Indiana Georg:

Space Force floating Leia, need more ?

That right there.

You could actually hear the whole theater during that stupid scene....

And.... the whole scene with Chewbacca and those stupid friggin birds...

[Mythic]

Publicado originalmente por ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍:

Publicado originalmente por harmony:

Infact i didnt care at all that the main lead was a female, it was the fact that they brought Mark Hamill into this. I dont see any reason why this had to be in the same timeline as the other movies, why couldnt it just be a new start? It would also be nice if you could learn yourself what a mary sue is because thats just what rey is.

No. A Mary Sue is a self insert character. I am fairly certain that Rian Johnson doesn't want to be a magic space girl.

Why do people keep using Mark as some kind of bar for the film? He is a barely passable actor who is a great VA Between Star Wars flicks, dude was in some of the worst films to get a print, and played the Joker, his one stand out role.

Why it had to be the same timeline? Is there something wrong with you? You do see what each film was supposed to be, yes? TFA was a good by to Han, Last Jedi was named after the fact that Luke dies in it, and the next movie was, sadly supposed to be the loss of Leia.

These films are a homage and goodby to the characters we love, each with their own film about it while moving the franchise forward and past the very narrow time of evil space jesus.

Okay. Lets play a game.

Lay out all the Mary Sue powers Rey has. If I can't find a match in any of the main characters from other star wars series or explain it, you win.

Go.

So your saying that ray can use force mind trick in at max a week for that took obi years to learn? Come on that seems like a mary sue if you ask me. They could have also made a backstory to what happened to luke, they didnt have to give him a bad role in the movie that does not fit his character.

[Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍]

Publicado originalmente por zboz:

Publicado originalmente por ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍:

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You people have no idea what a Mary Sue is, and keep using it wrong.

Rey isn't one.

Nope she's a character who describes the force in a way which Luke says "WRONG", except how she describes it is exactly how they use it in the movie. Cause who the hell needs training to use the force right?

Luke didn't.

[Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍]

Publicado originalmente por harmony:

So your saying that ray can use force mind trick in at max a week for that took obi years to learn? Come on that seems like a mary sue if you ask me. They could have also made a backstory to what happened to luke, they didnt have to give him a bad role in the movie that does not fit his character.

Obi Wan was a crappy Jedi with a crappy teacher.

Luke had, what, 7 hours with Obi Wan and at most a day with Yoda. Dude nearly matched his highly trained dad after running around in a swamp carrying a midget. Rey had OBi, Yoda, and Qui Gon Jam jedi brainwashing into her head near the end of TFA. It was the Awakening part of the title.

They give a Back story to Luke. He failed, he realised that the Jedi ways were actually just like the Sith and that the Force was inherently not good or evil, and that it shaped and maipulated the people that use it. It's part of the reason he retreated to the place where the jedi were born, and cut himself off from the force. He is looking for answers. It's why he doesn't kill Kylo, as oddly enough, his student is a lot closer to what he wanted to accomplish than he ever got.

It's why Rey is clearly the villain of this arc.

[About 37 hobos]

Because people feel like the movie has to be the way they thought it was going to be or else its not star wars.

[Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍]

Publicado originalmente por About 37 hobos:

Because people feel like the movie has to be the way they thought it was going to be or else its not star wars.

You are wise beyond measure, my fair poster.

[Mythic]

Publicado originalmente por ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍:

Publicado originalmente por harmony:

So your saying that ray can use force mind trick in at max a week for that took obi years to learn? Come on that seems like a mary sue if you ask me. They could have also made a backstory to what happened to luke, they didnt have to give him a bad role in the movie that does not fit his character.

Obi Wan was a crappy Jedi with a crappy teacher.

Luke had, what, 7 hours with Obi Wan and at most a day with Yoda. Dude nearly matched his highly trained dad after running around in a swamp carrying a midget. Rey had OBi, Yoda, and Qui Gon Jam jedi brainwashing into her head near the end of TFA. It was the Awakening part of the title.

They give a Back story to Luke. He failed, he realised that the Jedi ways were actually just like the Sith and that the Force was inherently not good or evil, and that it shaped and maipulated the people that use it. It's part of the reason he retreated to the place where the jedi were born, and cut himself off from the force. He is looking for answers. It's why he doesn't kill Kylo, as oddly enough, his student is a lot closer to what he wanted to accomplish than he ever got.

It's why Rey is clearly the villain of this arc.

But thats the thing, ray never had a teacher at all and she almost matched if not bettered lukes skill.

[About 37 hobos]

Publicado originalmente por ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍:

Publicado originalmente por About 37 hobos:

Because people feel like the movie has to be the way they thought it was going to be or else its not star wars.

You are wise beyond measure, my fair poster.

Thank you my good sir.

[About 37 hobos]

Publicado originalmente por Daynox:

Publicado originalmente por Indiana Georg:

Space Force floating Leia, need more ?

That right there.

You could actually hear the whole theater during that stupid scene....

And.... the whole scene with Chewbacca and those stupid friggin birds...

Jedi have used the force to survive in space before in cannon. Plo Koon survived in space for like half an hour when his species can endure at most 5 minutes of exposure to vacuum and the clones with him survived despite the fact that clone armor is not pressurized. (we see them get gassed while wearing helmets more than once.

[ArcLight]

Publicado originalmente por ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍:

Publicado originalmente por harmony:

Its true though.

That Mark Hamill is an idiot? I agree.

The Star Wars movies, aside from Empire, all suck. They are BAD movies. Enjoyable films, sure, but bad.

Rey ain't a Mary Sue. She displays no talents or abilities outside of what the other lead characters did. Oh, she ain't a Skywalker? Who gives a ♥♥♥♥! They are trying to move on to new stories, and evil space Jesus and his kids are boring as balls! Force Ghosts talk to her! Well, seeing as we have followed two orce users that has happened to, who knows HOW often that happens. Jedi are asshats who will ruin your life "For the Greater Good".

This movie was a decent sci-fi flick, and average when put alongside the other average films in the series. The only real issues to be had are Rey giving Kylo the finger when he tries to get her to join him in a neutral version of force users, and Leia's space flight force boner.

Every other part of the movie fits in the stupid, half baked Star Wars universe. They are not hard sci-fi or even science fiction. They are SPACE OPERAS! Them derailin for a gambling plot is no more out of place that hiding in a space worm for 20 minutes or 40 minutes of podracing.

All these movies suck. This one happens to be enjoyable. Sack up, get over that the main character is a girl, and move on.

Can't tell if your sarcastic or not, to me it's the other way around, the parts that sucked were the Leia space scene, and Rey is Mary Sue, what do you mean she isn't special or has any talents? Luke literally says he has only seen this power once before In a scene with Rey, also she beat Rey, a trained sith, with little to no lightsaber/force practice, if that's not a Mary Sue character I don't know what is, and I don't mind that she is a girl, I liked Leia in the earlier movies, it's just the actual character I don't like, doesn't matter if it's a girl or a guy

[ArcLight]

Publicado originalmente por ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍:

Publicado originalmente por harmony:

So your saying that ray can use force mind trick in at max a week for that took obi years to learn? Come on that seems like a mary sue if you ask me. They could have also made a backstory to what happened to luke, they didnt have to give him a bad role in the movie that does not fit his character.

Obi Wan was a crappy Jedi with a crappy teacher.

Luke had, what, 7 hours with Obi Wan and at most a day with Yoda. Dude nearly matched his highly trained dad after running around in a swamp carrying a midget. Rey had OBi, Yoda, and Qui Gon Jam jedi brainwashing into her head near the end of TFA. It was the Awakening part of the title.

They give a Back story to Luke. He failed, he realised that the Jedi ways were actually just like the Sith and that the Force was inherently not good or evil, and that it shaped and maipulated the people that use it. It's part of the reason he retreated to the place where the jedi were born, and cut himself off from the force. He is looking for answers. It's why he doesn't kill Kylo, as oddly enough, his student is a lot closer to what he wanted to accomplish than he ever got.

It's why Rey is clearly the villain of this arc.

Obi wan? Crappy Jedi?


*Laughs*

[About 37 hobos]

Publicado originalmente por Aertew:

Publicado originalmente por ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍:

Obi Wan was a crappy Jedi with a crappy teacher.

Luke had, what, 7 hours with Obi Wan and at most a day with Yoda. Dude nearly matched his highly trained dad after running around in a swamp carrying a midget. Rey had OBi, Yoda, and Qui Gon Jam jedi brainwashing into her head near the end of TFA. It was the Awakening part of the title.

They give a Back story to Luke. He failed, he realised that the Jedi ways were actually just like the Sith and that the Force was inherently not good or evil, and that it shaped and maipulated the people that use it. It's part of the reason he retreated to the place where the jedi were born, and cut himself off from the force. He is looking for answers. It's why he doesn't kill Kylo, as oddly enough, his student is a lot closer to what he wanted to accomplish than he ever got.

It's why Rey is clearly the villain of this arc.

Obi wan? Crappy Jedi?


*Laughs*

Well he kind of is, he is a terrible teacher to Anakin which helps lead him down the dark side, which is why he says I have failed you in Revenge of the Sith. He learns from his mistakes by A New Hope but doesn't have enough time to teach Luke. The Jedi themselves are the problem as Luke says in this movie. Luke's major failing is that instead of creating a new order to replace the Jedi Luke just abandons everything without thinking of how the dark side could grow.

[Mythic]

Publicado originalmente por About 37 hobos:

Publicado originalmente por Aertew:

Obi wan? Crappy Jedi?


*Laughs*

Well he kind of is, he is a terrible teacher to Anakin which helps lead him down the dark side, which is why he says I have failed you in Revenge of the Sith. He learns from his mistakes by A New Hope but doesn't have enough time to teach Luke. The Jedi themselves are the problem as Luke says in this movie. Luke's major failing is that instead of creating a new order to replace the Jedi Luke just abandons everything without thinking of how the dark side could grow.

When he was refused jedi master that was a HUGE mark on his path to the dark side, not obi wan.

[About 37 hobos]

Publicado originalmente por harmony:

Publicado originalmente por About 37 hobos:

Well he kind of is, he is a terrible teacher to Anakin which helps lead him down the dark side, which is why he says I have failed you in Revenge of the Sith. He learns from his mistakes by A New Hope but doesn't have enough time to teach Luke. The Jedi themselves are the problem as Luke says in this movie. Luke's major failing is that instead of creating a new order to replace the Jedi Luke just abandons everything without thinking of how the dark side could grow.

When he was refused jedi master that was a HUGE mark on his path to the dark side, not obi wan.

Obi wan was part of why he fell not the only reason