Game as service is fraud

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Centurion 2019. ápr. 27., 4:24

Game as service is fraud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUAX0gnZ3Nw

Its a very long video. So if you care about that topic be prepared to listen for 1h.
If you dont care, feel free to skip and ignore this thread.

Legutóbb szerkesztette: Centurion; 2019. ápr. 27., 4:41

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Toast eredeti hozzászólása:
Okay, sounds interesting. I will check it out. I hate Jim Sterling though. He's an insufferable prat.

edit: Oh wow, this guy really needs to get to the point. This is barely digestible and it is an hour and 15 minutes long. It seems like he doesn't know how to make this kind of content, or even how to communicate his thoughts in a clear and concise manner. It's just him rambling. I guess that's to be expected from the guy who makes Freeman's Mind. This is terrible, and I don't know if I will even bother trying to watch the whole thing.

SMIFFY eredeti hozzászólása:
♥♥♥♥ me. Toast is right, this guy needs to get to the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ point everything he's trying to explain is needlessly drawn out with filler.

Ross adds some humourous tangents between his points, but he generally doesn't waste much time covering the important stuff. It's a large topic with a history of loads of disinformation about it, and a lot of people simply have never held a conceptualization of what the subject is, so there's a lot of ground that he has to cover.

Personally I really appreciate his humour that he puts into things, so I actually like that stuff.

The video is done in sections. Let's see if I can remember what they are and find them in the video. Be aware that this might not be entirely accurate in description or of the true start of a section:

0:00 - What is "Games as a service"?

9:55 - Why games are legally goods and you own them, and what that means for your rights

17:32 - Ross is against killing games, "Games as a service"'s role in killing games, and how it violates game ownership rights

24:29 - planned obsolescence and examples of lawsuits against printer companies, how "games as a service" interferes with game ownership

31:54 - how "games as a service" doesn't fit the definition of any actual services

39:30 - what can and should be done by companies when their online-based game reaches EoL

42:18 - Ross' reflection on the information he just talked about, and what his interest in the topic is motivated by

47:30 - end of the presentation of the main case. Now, going into overtime, talking about the next section where he aims to preempt a lot of challenges to what he's said

48:22 - start of Ross' rebuttals to what he anticipates to be the major arguments against what he's proposed

rebuttal to: "Games as a service" is legal because you agree to the terms stated in the EULA

50:26 - rebuttal to: Buying a game entitles you to the client software, you are not entitled to the server software.

52:07 - rebuttal to: What you're proposing would require businesses to support their games forever. That's unreasonable.

52:40 - rebuttal to: If games as a service has to be treated as goods it will hurt creativity of developers and restrain them.

Ross gives his rebuttals to various anticipated challenges until 1:09:04. There's lots of good information in his responses, but I'm not going to add timestamps to all of them because there's a lot of them.

1:09:04 - criticisms of the excuses

1:10:00 - overview of next steps, calls for community and legal help, contact links, resources

1:11:59 - Ross says the games industry has been declaring a war on ownership for years and that consumers have been asleep at the wheel, talks more about next steps

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Trundle 2019. ápr. 27., 4:26

Hmmm op wrong link.

Centurion 2019. ápr. 27., 4:41

T♥r♥u♥n♥d♥l♥e eredeti hozzászólása:
Hmmm op wrong link.

Thank you, fixed.

Q-T_3.14.exe 2019. ápr. 27., 7:08

Who knew?

Legutóbb szerkesztette: Q-T_3.14.exe; 2019. ápr. 27., 7:09

slowdeath 2019. ápr. 27., 7:10

ross scott is one of the few people I'll listen to for an hour

BlockedUser 2019. ápr. 27., 7:39

T♥r♥u♥n♥d♥l♥e eredeti hozzászólása:
Hmmm op wrong link.

what did it link?

chiefputsilao✖️ping 2019. ápr. 27., 7:43

BlockedUserYT eredeti hozzászólása:
T♥r♥u♥n♥d♥l♥e eredeti hozzászólása:
Hmmm op wrong link.
what did it link?

fortnite.

Centurion 2019. ápr. 27., 7:51

BlockedUserYT eredeti hozzászólása:
T♥r♥u♥n♥d♥l♥e eredeti hozzászólása:
Hmmm op wrong link.
what did it link?

It just linked the steam front page instead of right one. Nothing special.

Turbo Nozomix 2019. ápr. 27., 16:06

Jim Sterling shouts-out to a great video on game ownership rights

Ross, whose channel is Accursed Farms and who does Freeman's Mind and Ross' Game Dungeon videos, has done something different than his other videos and put together this extremely insightful and meticulously well-researched video about game ownership rights and the need for advocacy. It's a long video, but even though the topic is pretty technical, I found it very interesting and entertaining all the way though. I think it's well worth watching:

https://youtu.be/tUAX0gnZ3Nw

It caught the attention of Jim Sterling, and he gave it praise in a shout-out to it at the start of his newest video, suggesting people to watch it:

https://youtu.be/V_f_qe1-75w

One of the sources Ross' video makes use of is this thread on software ownership on the Linus Tech Tips forum, and it's also very comprehensive on the topic:

You own the software that you purchase, and any claims otherwise are urban myth or corporate propaganda[linustechtips.com]

I think it's an important issue, and Ross' video is quite impressive. So, maybe some people here would like to check it out

sage2001 2019. ápr. 27., 16:09

Ok.

dont add me 2019. ápr. 27., 16:11

Okay, sounds interesting. I will check it out. I hate Jim Sterling though. He's an insufferable prat.

edit: Oh wow, this guy really needs to get to the point. This is barely digestible and it is an hour and 15 minutes long. It seems like he doesn't know how to make this kind of content, or even how to communicate his thoughts in a clear and concise manner. It's just him rambling. I guess that's to be expected from the guy who makes Freeman's Mind. This is terrible, and I don't know if I will even bother trying to watch the whole thing.

Legutóbb szerkesztette: dont add me; 2019. ápr. 27., 16:30

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Zekiran 2019. ápr. 27., 16:49

If you don't have the patience to watch it, that's kinda your problem. Ross is a smart guy and does in fact know what he's talking about, having been a content producer for... wow a lot longer than most people have been on steam.

I loathe Sterling, but sometimes he's actually right for a change.

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cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2019. ápr. 27., 16:51

I thought we had this thread?

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/1679190184065655984/

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slowdeath 2019. ápr. 27., 16:52

Toast eredeti hozzászólása:
Okay, sounds interesting. I will check it out. I hate Jim Sterling though. He's an insufferable prat.

edit: Oh wow, this guy really needs to get to the point. This is barely digestible and it is an hour and 15 minutes long. It seems like he doesn't know how to make this kind of content, or even how to communicate his thoughts in a clear and concise manner. It's just him rambling. I guess that's to be expected from the guy who makes Freeman's Mind. This is terrible, and I don't know if I will even bother trying to watch the whole thing.

It's a thorough video. Not everything can be summed up in a 10 min video.

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dont add me 2019. ápr. 27., 17:01

Zekiran eredeti hozzászólása:
If you don't have the patience to watch it, that's kinda your problem. Ross is a smart guy and does in fact know what he's talking about, having been a content producer for... wow a lot longer than most people have been on steam.

I loathe Sterling, but sometimes he's actually right for a change.

I didn't say he was stupid, I just think he doesn't know how to make this kind of video. He should stick to doing Freeman's mind. That at least is a form of content which is more suited to is rambling style of speaking. He might be smart, but that doesn't make him skilled at communication.

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