Why is rap so vulgar?

[Fajita Jim]

I don't like rap for a variety of reasons (lack of musical progression, instrumentation, harmony, etc.), but that's personal opinion.

What is absolutely not debatable is how vulgar rap can often be. It's not even a novelty, it's part and parcel of the genre.

Why do you think rap as a genre relies so heavily on vulgar themes?

[slowdeath]

Messaggio originale di Fajita Jim:

Messaggio originale di Coffinmaw:

Well here's some rap that isn't as mainstream.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K30AY8egbpk

Here's what I did: I clicked through at 7 random spots, and sampled for a few seconds each. Here's what I hear: the same note (not even chords) progression, repeated, endlessly.

Do the same thing to this song, and you'll swear it's a few different songs:

https://youtu.be/usNsCeOV4GM

That's called musical progression. You have to understand actual music to be able to write like that, though. There's actually quite a bit of complexity involved.

repetition is an element of music

[Fajita Jim]

Messaggio originale di ebony skies i died already:

repetition is an element of music

As is progression. Music should move, not just go around in circles.

[slowdeath]

Messaggio originale di Fajita Jim:

Messaggio originale di ebony skies i died already:

popular genres of music having vulgar lyrics isn't a new thing

Perhaps not but has it even so thoroughly proliferated a genre like this?

Yes. Social standards just change. People have said this same thing about every new popular genre.

[Fajita Jim]

Messaggio originale di ebony skies i died already:

Messaggio originale di Fajita Jim:

Perhaps not but has it even so thoroughly proliferated a genre like this?

Yes. Social standards just change. People have said this same thing about every new popular genre.

So why aren't the most popular rock and country songs all about licking that muff?

[Jonathan Sensei]

Messaggio originale di Fajita Jim:

Messaggio originale di Coffinmaw:

Well here's some rap that isn't as mainstream.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K30AY8egbpk

Here's what I did: I clicked through at 7 random spots, and sampled for a few seconds each. Here's what I hear: the same note (not even chords) progression, repeated, endlessly.

Do the same thing to this song, and you'll swear it's a few different songs:

https://youtu.be/usNsCeOV4GM

That's called musical progression. You have to understand actual music to be able to write like that, though. There's actually quite a bit of complexity involved.

Well there's something to be said about being able to make a song repeat itself over and over and not sound bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yca6UsllwYs

[slowdeath]

Messaggio originale di Fajita Jim:

Messaggio originale di ebony skies i died already:

repetition is an element of music

As is progression. Music should move, not just go around in circles.

Depends on the music. There's nothing inherently wrong a repetitive song. Goal based music is also mostly a western idea. You don't have to like repetitive music obviously, but there's not really much music "should" be.

[slowdeath]

Messaggio originale di Fajita Jim:

Messaggio originale di ebony skies i died already:

Yes. Social standards just change. People have said this same thing about every new popular genre.

So why aren't the most popular rock and country songs all about licking that muff?

Like I said, social standards change. Lots of rock songs used to be considered vulgar but we now see them as tame. A lot of early rock songs are just versions of blues songs anyways, and there are a lot of blues songs about sex.

[khalil]

Messaggio originale di Fajita Jim:

Messaggio originale di ebony skies i died already:

Yes. Social standards just change. People have said this same thing about every new popular genre.

So why aren't the most popular rock and country songs all about licking that muff?

... From what I know, it depends on what adolescent teens play at their parties where they drown themselves in alchohol. Not as proficient in American culture, but over here it's all up to what gets played when teens get horny & drunk.

[Fajita Jim]

Messaggio originale di ebony skies i died already:

Depends on the music. There's nothing inherently wrong a repetitive song. Goal based music is also mostly a western idea. You don't have to like repetitive music obviously, but there's not really much music "should" be.

If your musical skills max at "record a loop on a Casio" I'm just not interested. Hell, I have that much talent and I couldn't even find Middle C on keyboard if my life were on the line.

You can have a chord/note progression pass through octaves and even through different instruments. You don't have to repeat the same damn loop endlessly.

[Chemistara]

While society getting worst with their taste of music, here I stand with my fellow weebs, listening to Doujin Orchestras and Jazz

[slowdeath]

Messaggio originale di Fajita Jim:

Messaggio originale di ebony skies i died already:

Depends on the music. There's nothing inherently wrong a repetitive song. Goal based music is also mostly a western idea. You don't have to like repetitive music obviously, but there's not really much music "should" be.

If your musical skills max at "record a loop on a Casio" I'm just not interested. Hell, I have that much talent and I couldn't even find Middle C on keyboard if my life were on the line.

You can have a chord/note progression pass through octaves and even through different instruments. You don't have to repeat the same damn loop endlessly.

will you stop whining if I link a rap song where the instrumental has progression or are you just looking for people to agree with you on this subject

[Fajita Jim]

Messaggio originale di Chemistara:

While society getting worst with their taste of music, here I stand with my fellow weebs, listening to Doujin Orchestras and Jazz

I do like Jazz. A lot.

Was on Beale Street a few months back during a blues festival. Those New Orleans fellas came right on in and got the whole street swinging. And it was never-ending, because you know, Jazz is improv anyway.

[Jonathan Sensei]

Messaggio originale di ebony skies i died already:

Messaggio originale di Fajita Jim:

If your musical skills max at "record a loop on a Casio" I'm just not interested. Hell, I have that much talent and I couldn't even find Middle C on keyboard if my life were on the line.

You can have a chord/note progression pass through octaves and even through different instruments. You don't have to repeat the same damn loop endlessly.

will you stop whining if I link a rap song where the instrumental has progression or are you just looking for people to agree with you on this subject

It seems to me the thread question is (was), rhetorical. The OP knows why rap is vulgar, and is using the thread to voice their opinion and disgust about it. All fine in good in my book, but not much in the way of conversation.

[Fajita Jim]

Messaggio originale di ebony skies i died already:

Messaggio originale di Fajita Jim:

If your musical skills max at "record a loop on a Casio" I'm just not interested. Hell, I have that much talent and I couldn't even find Middle C on keyboard if my life were on the line.

You can have a chord/note progression pass through octaves and even through different instruments. You don't have to repeat the same damn loop endlessly.

will you stop whining if I link a rap song where the instrumental has progression or are you just looking for people to agree with you on this subject

That's not whining. This is called conversing: posit your position and detail why it is so.

This is whining:

RAAAAAAAAAAP SUZZZZZZXXXXXXXXXXX
why is it soooooooooobad peoples?
u like rap u dumbn

[[FFK3] Trovaa]

Messaggio originale di Fajita Jim:

Here's what I did: I clicked through at 7 random spots, and sampled for a few seconds each. Here's what I hear: the same note (not even chords) progression, repeated, endlessly.

Do the same thing to this song, and you'll swear it's a few different songs:

https://youtu.be/usNsCeOV4GM

That's called musical progression. You have to understand actual music to be able to write like that, though. There's actually quite a bit of complexity involved.

Here's what they did.
They didn't completely pay attention to the actual instrumental. That's why most instrumentals are called loops in hip hop music, although many artists write their own instrumentals that have variation and progression.
But what they did was focus on the lyrics, rhymes, and musicality of their rhymes. They rapped on beat and wrote lyrics with meaning behind them.
You act like you know a lot about music but you really seem like you just took one or two music appreciation classes in high school and used that to push your agenda of "all music must have these elements to be good."

You pay too much attention to the instrumental. That's not the only thing that can make a song good. At the start of this thread you complain about vulgarity in rap and the next thing you're complaining about the instrumental "not being complex enough." Hell, you didn't even take the time to listen to the song. You just skipped through it, listened to a few seconds of each skip, and then concluded "Oh yeah it all sounds the exact same."
Also, The Beatles and Chinese Man make COMPLETELY different music. That's not even close to a fair comparison. I suggest you read up on some Aesop Rock or some 80's and 90's rap during the golden age.