Windows XP is the best OS?

[Pr.Jitterskull - best bug fixer]

Most tech still running on it to this day. Even modern tech is made specifically to the Windows XP. It's still quite popular OS in many countries as well. Not to mention a lot of people are still making new updates to it despite it being abandoned by Microsoft and "no longer supported" by them.

But I'd say Windows 7 is good too.

[whatamidoing]

Dxpress님이 먼저 게시:

whatamidoing님이 먼저 게시:

If you want more complaints, there's the mobile-fication of a desktop operating system, the numerous updates that have managed to break systems, ads in the gutted start menu, another worthless "personal assistant" thing, and horrible backwards-compatibility, off the top of my head.

Those are valid complaints.
If you're concerned about being "spied" on however, your only option is to not use computers in general.

You can, at least, limit how much information you give away, and to how many companies. To that end, it's good to avoid win10, since at least 7's infinitely more limited telemetry can be disabled without it turning back on or new telemetry being added.

[Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍]

Right now I am posting by talking to my phone oh, I can turn on my television and game consoles by telling them to turn on then telling a device on my counter to order me a pizza which I can pay 4 directly from said device, and I can search the web by asking my tablet in case I need a walkthrough for something.

I don't mind them keeping an eye on what I'm doing. It's part of my agreement to use their service. I know what they're doing and quite frankly I don't care. It's not an invasion of privacy if I invite them in. And Windows 10 is actually pretty great. I have had less problems than I had even with seven.

[Alliesaurus]

whatamidoing님이 먼저 게시:

Dxpress님이 먼저 게시:

Those are valid complaints.
If you're concerned about being "spied" on however, your only option is to not use computers in general.

You can, at least, limit how much information you give away, and to how many companies. To that end, it's good to avoid win10, since at least 7's infinitely more limited telemetry can be disabled without it turning back on or new telemetry being added.

Companies? It's only the Microsoft Data Management Service that stores your data on a secure cloud and it's only Microsoft personnel that have access to it

To disable Windows 10 Telemetry Go to Services and Applications -> Services in the left pane. In the services list, disable the following services:

Diagnostics Tracking Service
dmwappushsvc

Or

Connected User Experiences and Telemetry service" instead of "Diagnostics Tracking Service" if your Windows 10 version is newer than 1151.

[whatamidoing]

Ne0n Ri0님이 먼저 게시:

whatamidoing님이 먼저 게시:

You can, at least, limit how much information you give away, and to how many companies. To that end, it's good to avoid win10, since at least 7's infinitely more limited telemetry can be disabled without it turning back on or new telemetry being added.

Companies? It's only the Microsoft Data Management Service that stores your data on a secure cloud and it's only Microsoft personnel that have access to it

Yeah, almost every single ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ service out there now datamines the hell out of you. Steam's pretty bad, anything google is absolutely atrocious, including chrome and android, amazon, any social media, windows with win10, I wouldn't doubt apple does it too although I avoid apple products like the plague for other reasons so I've never checked. By sticking with 7, you can at least not have microsoft on top of the pile.

And win10's telemetry is only the peak of the iceberg there.

[Alliesaurus]

whatamidoing님이 먼저 게시:

Ne0n Ri0님이 먼저 게시:

Companies? It's only the Microsoft Data Management Service that stores your data on a secure cloud and it's only Microsoft personnel that have access to it

Yeah, almost every single ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ service out there now datamines the hell out of you. Steam's pretty bad, anything google is absolutely atrocious, including chrome and android, amazon, any social media, windows with win10, I wouldn't doubt apple does it too although I avoid apple products like the plague for other reasons so I've never checked. By sticking with 7, you can at least not have microsoft on top of the pile.

7 does by default, you have to opt out of it too

[SMIFFY]

Not had any major problems with Windows 10, actually I can't off the top of my head think of a minor problem I've had with it. It's the fastest and most stable Windows OS I've ever used.

Sorry if my experience offends anyone.

[whatamidoing]

Ne0n Ri0님이 먼저 게시:

whatamidoing님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah, almost every single ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ service out there now datamines the hell out of you. Steam's pretty bad, anything google is absolutely atrocious, including chrome and android, amazon, any social media, windows with win10, I wouldn't doubt apple does it too although I avoid apple products like the plague for other reasons so I've never checked. By sticking with 7, you can at least not have microsoft on top of the pile.

7 does by default, you have to opt out of it too

A process which is simpler and doesn't reenable itself while also collecting less should it be enabled, yes.

[Alliesaurus]

whatamidoing님이 먼저 게시:

Ne0n Ri0님이 먼저 게시:

7 does by default, you have to opt out of it too

A process which is simpler and doesn't reenable itself while also collecting less should it be enabled, yes.

I find this simple vvvvv

To disable Windows 10 Telemetry Go to Services and Applications -> Services in the left pane. In the services list, disable the following services:

Diagnostics Tracking Service
dmwappushsvc

[whatamidoing]

Ne0n Ri0님이 먼저 게시:

whatamidoing님이 먼저 게시:

A process which is simpler and doesn't reenable itself while also collecting less should it be enabled, yes.

I find this simple vvvvv

To disable Windows 10 Telemetry Go to Services and Applications -> Services in the left pane. In the services list, disable the following services:

Diagnostics Tracking Service
dmwappushsvc

Great, you disabled one aspect of win10's tracking. Next you need to go into the group policy editor/registry to disable cortana, turn off all the location crap, turn off everything in the privacy settings, and so on, apparently. Probably have to uninstall some updates you installed as well.

[Alliesaurus]

whatamidoing님이 먼저 게시:

Ne0n Ri0님이 먼저 게시:

I find this simple vvvvv

To disable Windows 10 Telemetry Go to Services and Applications -> Services in the left pane. In the services list, disable the following services:

Diagnostics Tracking Service
dmwappushsvc

Great, you disabled one aspect of win10's tracking. Next you need to go into the group policy editor/registry to disable cortana, turn off all the location crap, turn off everything in the privacy settings, and so on, apparently. Probably have to uninstall some updates you installed as well.

Already did this a long time ago(pretty much first day installing Win10), and I know which updates I have installed most of them are security patches, and you also have to check your updates for ones that collect data, I can tell you which updates collect data on Windows 7?

[Alliesaurus]

whatamidoing님이 먼저 게시:

Ne0n Ri0님이 먼저 게시:

I find this simple vvvvv

To disable Windows 10 Telemetry Go to Services and Applications -> Services in the left pane. In the services list, disable the following services:

Diagnostics Tracking Service
dmwappushsvc

Great, you disabled one aspect of win10's tracking. Next you need to go into the group policy editor/registry to disable cortana, turn off all the location crap, turn off everything in the privacy settings, and so on, apparently. Probably have to uninstall some updates you installed as well.

Here's all the updates on Windows 7 that collect telemetry data that you might want to uninstall:
KB971033, Activation exploits
KB2876229, Skype
KB2882822, replaced by KB3068708
KB2952664, telemetry crap
KB2970228, new Russian ruble symbol, breaks fonts
KB2976978, Windows 10 update crap for Win8
KB2977759, telemetry crap
KB2982791, Causes crashes
KB2990214, telemetry crap
KB3004394, faulty update
KB3018238, only applies to Windows Server 2008
KB3021917, telemetry crap
KB3022345, telemetry crap
KB3035583, telemetry crap
KB3050265, telemetry crap
KB3065987, telemetry crap
KB3068708, telemetry crap
KB3075249, telemetry crap
KB3075851, telemetry crap
KB3080149, telemetry crap
KB3081954, telemetry crap
KB3083324, telemetry crap
KB3083710, telemetry crap
KB3097877, Casuses crashes
KB3102810, telemetry crap
KB3107998, Lenovo fix to remove blocker
KB3112336, More WIN10 crap
KB3112343, More WIN10 crap + MS monitoring of win10 upgrade
KB3121255, crash during backup of PI Data server fails
KB3123862, Windows 10 update crap
KB3125574, Apr 2016 rollup with bad ones in it
KB3133977, BitLocker can't encrypt the drive and the service crashes
KB3135445, WIN7 update client to force WIN10
KB3137061, Azure virtual machines network outage data corruption
KB3138901, No Internet multiple users log on Remote Desktop Services
KB3139923, MSI repair doesn't work after you install updates
KB3147071, Connection to Oracle database fails. Causes browser lockups?
KB3150513, telemetry crap

other:
KB3184143 removes the Get Windows 10 app
KB3172605 July 2016 update rollup (re-released Sep 13 2016)
KB3179573 August 2016 Rollup

[whatamidoing]

Ne0n Ri0님이 먼저 게시:

whatamidoing님이 먼저 게시:

Great, you disabled one aspect of win10's tracking. Next you need to go into the group policy editor/registry to disable cortana, turn off all the location crap, turn off everything in the privacy settings, and so on, apparently. Probably have to uninstall some updates you installed as well.

Here's all the updates on Windows 7 that collect telemetry data:
KB971033, Activation exploits
KB2876229, Skype
KB2882822, replaced by KB3068708
KB2952664, telemetry crap
KB2970228, new Russian ruble symbol, breaks fonts
KB2976978, Windows 10 update crap for Win8
KB2977759, telemetry crap
KB2982791, Causes crashes
KB2990214, telemetry crap
KB3004394, faulty update
KB3018238, only applies to Windows Server 2008
KB3021917, telemetry crap
KB3022345, telemetry crap
KB3035583, telemetry crap
KB3050265, telemetry crap
KB3065987, telemetry crap
KB3068708, telemetry crap
KB3075249, telemetry crap
KB3075851, telemetry crap
KB3080149, telemetry crap
KB3081954, telemetry crap
KB3083324, telemetry crap
KB3083710, telemetry crap
KB3097877, Casuses crashes
KB3102810, telemetry crap
KB3107998, Lenovo fix to remove blocker
KB3112336, More WIN10 crap
KB3112343, More WIN10 crap + MS monitoring of win10 upgrade
KB3121255, crash during backup of PI Data server fails
KB3123862, Windows 10 update crap
KB3125574, Apr 2016 rollup with bad ones in it
KB3133977, BitLocker can't encrypt the drive and the service crashes
KB3135445, WIN7 update client to force WIN10
KB3137061, Azure virtual machines network outage data corruption
KB3138901, No Internet multiple users log on Remote Desktop Services
KB3139923, MSI repair doesn't work after you install updates
KB3147071, Connection to Oracle database fails. Causes browser lockups?
KB3150513, telemetry crap

other:
KB3184143 removes the Get Windows 10 app
KB3172605 July 2016 update rollup (re-released Sep 13 2016)
KB3179573 August 2016 Rollup

All in all, not too horrible tbh, especially given its relative age. I don't know why you have such an obsessive focus on the telemetry, when I already pointed out that there's far more than just telemetry on win10, and you can't get rid of it without editing your registry.

[Alliesaurus]

whatamidoing님이 먼저 게시:

Ne0n Ri0님이 먼저 게시:

Here's all the updates on Windows 7 that collect telemetry data:
KB971033, Activation exploits
KB2876229, Skype
KB2882822, replaced by KB3068708
KB2952664, telemetry crap
KB2970228, new Russian ruble symbol, breaks fonts
KB2976978, Windows 10 update crap for Win8
KB2977759, telemetry crap
KB2982791, Causes crashes
KB2990214, telemetry crap
KB3004394, faulty update
KB3018238, only applies to Windows Server 2008
KB3021917, telemetry crap
KB3022345, telemetry crap
KB3035583, telemetry crap
KB3050265, telemetry crap
KB3065987, telemetry crap
KB3068708, telemetry crap
KB3075249, telemetry crap
KB3075851, telemetry crap
KB3080149, telemetry crap
KB3081954, telemetry crap
KB3083324, telemetry crap
KB3083710, telemetry crap
KB3097877, Casuses crashes
KB3102810, telemetry crap
KB3107998, Lenovo fix to remove blocker
KB3112336, More WIN10 crap
KB3112343, More WIN10 crap + MS monitoring of win10 upgrade
KB3121255, crash during backup of PI Data server fails
KB3123862, Windows 10 update crap
KB3125574, Apr 2016 rollup with bad ones in it
KB3133977, BitLocker can't encrypt the drive and the service crashes
KB3135445, WIN7 update client to force WIN10
KB3137061, Azure virtual machines network outage data corruption
KB3138901, No Internet multiple users log on Remote Desktop Services
KB3139923, MSI repair doesn't work after you install updates
KB3147071, Connection to Oracle database fails. Causes browser lockups?
KB3150513, telemetry crap

other:
KB3184143 removes the Get Windows 10 app
KB3172605 July 2016 update rollup (re-released Sep 13 2016)
KB3179573 August 2016 Rollup

All in all, not too horrible tbh, especially given its relative age. I don't know why you have such an obsessive focus on the telemetry, when I already pointed out that there's far more than just telemetry on win10, and you can't get rid of it without editing your registry.

Well there's disabling telemetry and Cortana on Windows 10 so there isn't really anything else that you can point out that I might be worth getting rid of

I was just pointing out that Windows 7 gathers telemetry data too, I didn't know you were aware of that and about the updates that contained telemetry gathering

[whatamidoing]

Ne0n Ri0님이 먼저 게시:

whatamidoing님이 먼저 게시:

All in all, not too horrible tbh, especially given its relative age. I don't know why you have such an obsessive focus on the telemetry, when I already pointed out that there's far more than just telemetry on win10, and you can't get rid of it without editing your registry.

Well there's disabling telemetry and Cortana on Windows 10 so there isn't anything else that you can point out that I might want to get rid of

Because I don't use it for a whole slew of reasons, as I said. There's not been any need for me to look into all the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you have to disable, since I've got 7 in a good state. I've seen quite large lists of things to disable for win10, and that was early on. 10 obviously collects far more information, since they gave it away for free for quite a while. Not out of the goodness of their hearts, but because the consumer became the product to be sold.

[Alliesaurus]

whatamidoing님이 먼저 게시:

Ne0n Ri0님이 먼저 게시:

Well there's disabling telemetry and Cortana on Windows 10 so there isn't anything else that you can point out that I might want to get rid of

Because I don't use it for a whole slew of reasons, as I said. There's not been any need for me to look into all the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you have to disable, since I've got 7 in a good state. I've seen quite large lists of things to disable for win10, and that was early on. 10 obviously collects far more information, since they gave it away for free for quite a while. Not out of the goodness of their hearts, but because the consumer became the product to be sold.

I'd still rather get windows 10 for free than have to buy windows 7, and then just do 3 simple steps to disable telemetry services and Cortana then I have a newer more up-to-date OS, and I don't really care about your reasons for hating windows 10 (for no reason)