Least scummy game company?

Edifier 5.8.2019 klo 10.58

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Those acts would be?

Well first of all, they started exclusive pc gaming. For years and years if you wanted a pc game, you had to use steam. Even a physical copy of a game was just a blank disc with a steam download redirect.

They ported their games to the console but due to the limits of console they couldn't keep patching them. So not exactly sure where this exclusiveness issue comes from.

Back when I bought Half-Life 2 it was on disk and installed through disc. It had like 4 discs at the time but seeing how Steam needs to auto update all games and with game discs coming with outdated files it would just lead to you having to re download the game.

Back in the start there wasn't all that many games on Steam. Mainly Valves titles. Kung Fu Ragdoll being the first third party game.

But I remember games not needing Steam or any other clients. Supreme commander, Call of Duty 4 and others.

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And the fact that they started a platform that sells games you don't even get to own, and set the trend for intrusive drm. With their terms of service, if steam for any reason decides to ban you or remove your account (and they reserve the right to do this for literally any reason without explanation) , you lose all your games.

You've never truly owned a PC game for at least a few decades by now. All of them asks you to sign an Eula that gives you the right to play it. You don't own the content on the dist.

But this didn't bother people so much because the sales that they had when Steam started to grow was better than anything Console or retail stores could ever offer. So we traded the ability to sell our games for cheap sales. Loved it.

Oh and ALL and I mean absolutely ALL companies have a clause that say that they are allowed to remove your account at any given time. They would never do it because it makes no sense.
Lets see if GOG has it
https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/212632089-GOG-COM-User-Agreement

17.2. Our right to terminate the Agreement. If you materially breach this Agreement, we reserve the right to suspend or cancel your access to GOG services and GOG content. By material breach of the Agreement we mean a serious breach which could cause significant harm to GOG, GOG users, as well as, in particular breach of the provisions of section 11 above. If we suspend or cancel your access to GOG services or GOG content we'll take reasonable steps to contact you to explain why we've done this and what (if anything) you can do as a result.

Hey look at that, must be an EVIL company too.

psychotron666 lähetti viestin:
You will be banned for life if you're caught by steam copying game files, because you don't own the files you bought, you only lease them from steam., thus you lose your games.

They don't have time to look for you and don't care about you doing this. I also have never heard anyone being banned for this. Something you'd think would at least come up on gaming sites.

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Compare that to gog where they have no drm, where you actually own a game you buy from them.

Like I said, not the most scummy, but not even close to least scummy.

Steam has more features than GOG and the whole no drm isn't something I care about. So for me Steam is better.

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psychotron666 5.8.2019 klo 11.36

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Well first of all, they started exclusive pc gaming. For years and years if you wanted a pc game, you had to use steam. Even a physical copy of a game was just a blank disc with a steam download redirect.

They ported their games to the console but due to the limits of console they couldn't keep patching them. So not exactly sure where this exclusiveness issue comes from.

Back when I bought Half-Life 2 it was on disk and installed through disc. It had like 4 discs at the time but seeing how Steam needs to auto update all games and with game discs coming with outdated files it would just lead to you having to re download the game.

Back in the start there wasn't all that many games on Steam. Mainly Valves titles. Kung Fu Ragdoll being the first third party game.

But I remember games not needing Steam or any other clients. Supreme commander, Call of Duty 4 and others.

psychotron666 lähetti viestin:
And the fact that they started a platform that sells games you don't even get to own, and set the trend for intrusive drm. With their terms of service, if steam for any reason decides to ban you or remove your account (and they reserve the right to do this for literally any reason without explanation) , you lose all your games.

You've never truly owned a PC game for at least a few decades by now. All of them asks you to sign an Eula that gives you the right to play it. You don't own the content on the dist.

But this didn't bother people so much because the sales that they had when Steam started to grow was better than anything Console or retail stores could ever offer. So we traded the ability to sell our games for cheap sales. Loved it.

Oh and ALL and I mean absolutely ALL companies have a clause that say that they are allowed to remove your account at any given time. They would never do it because it makes no sense.
Lets see if GOG has it
https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/212632089-GOG-COM-User-Agreement
17.2. Our right to terminate the Agreement. If you materially breach this Agreement, we reserve the right to suspend or cancel your access to GOG services and GOG content. By material breach of the Agreement we mean a serious breach which could cause significant harm to GOG, GOG users, as well as, in particular breach of the provisions of section 11 above. If we suspend or cancel your access to GOG services or GOG content we'll take reasonable steps to contact you to explain why we've done this and what (if anything) you can do as a result.

Hey look at that, must be an EVIL company too.
psychotron666 lähetti viestin:
You will be banned for life if you're caught by steam copying game files, because you don't own the files you bought, you only lease them from steam., thus you lose your games.
They don't have time to look for you and don't care about you doing this. I also have never heard anyone being banned for this. Something you'd think would at least come up on gaming sites.

psychotron666 lähetti viestin:
Compare that to gog where they have no drm, where you actually own a game you buy from them.

Like I said, not the most scummy, but not even close to least scummy.

Steam has more features than GOG and the whole no drm isn't something I care about. So for me Steam is better.

... Even if gog banned your account, you still own all the games you bought off them, that's my point. You don't own games from steam, gog you actually own your games and may back them up at will without having to crack them.

I'm not hating on steam for having a basic terms of service, but the fact that you only lease games from them and if you ever lost access you lose your games, which isn't the case in places like gog where you actually own the game, can back them up and even lend them to friends, because it's your game

And we didn't trade our ability to sell our games for deals, we traded our ability to OWN our games for deals. And even then, that's not entirely true because I can get cheap deals on gog, where I actually own my game too

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Killerwhale 5.8.2019 klo 11.38

Nintendo

#18

Darkwave Dahlia 5.8.2019 klo 11.45

Valve.
CDProject.
Blooper.
Capcom.
Sega.

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s w e k 5.8.2019 klo 11.46

Probably some small indie team.

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Edifier 5.8.2019 klo 11.48

psychotron666 lähetti viestin:
... Even if gog banned your account, you still own all the games you bought off them, that's my point. You don't own games from steam, gog you actually own your games and may back them up at will without having to crack them.

If you managed to store them before being banned. But seeing how Steam would never do this it's rather pointless to complain about it-

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I'm not hating on steam for having a basic terms of service, but the fact that you only lease games from them and if you ever lost access you lose your games, which isn't the case in places like gog where you actually own the game, can back them up and even lend them to friends, because it's your game

It takes quite a bit to lose access to your Steam account. If you lost access to your GOG account and not having backed up your games or lets say, your harddrive dies on you and you have no way of getting back into your GOG account you're in the same situation.

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And we didn't trade our ability to sell our games for deals, we traded our ability to OWN our games for deals. And even then, that's not entirely true because I can get cheap deals on gog, where I actually own my game too

You never owned the game. You own a license to use the game. It's just that without a CD key protection what so ever you could sell your games to someone else. But with CD keys invention used PC market basically died due to all the scamming. I remember friends trying to buy used games but where always scammed out of the CD key so they just have the CD and nothing else. Couldn't do much about it back then either.

Back in the day when Valve controlled the sales they gave some really good deals. Better than any other game market did at that time for several years. Now Publishers control sales and they are not as nice as Valve.

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ʙᴜɴ.ᴇ 5.8.2019 klo 11.57

Revolution Games.

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The Cellular Level™ 5.8.2019 klo 12.30

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Most Japanese game companies seem to be pretty non-scummy for some reason.

Really?
Konami with Metal Gear Solid and Kojima for example.

He means stuff like Nintendo

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Crazy Tiger 5.8.2019 klo 12.58

psychotron666 lähetti viestin:
And we didn't trade our ability to sell our games for deals, we traded our ability to OWN our games for deals. And even then, that's not entirely true because I can get cheap deals on gog, where I actually own my game too

False, you don't own the game, you own a license to play the game. Even on GoG you're not allowed to resell or redistribute the games, even though they're DRM-free.
Back in the day, CD's and cartridges were the same. You don't own the game/software, you got a license to use it. It was however impossible to actually enforce.

Just because you could give cd's and cartridges to your friends, doesn't mean it was actually allowed.

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Jej 5.8.2019 klo 13.00

No such thing.

From the basement indie to the multimillion corporation they're all awful.

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Edifier 5.8.2019 klo 13.11

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Really?
Konami with Metal Gear Solid and Kojima for example.
He means stuff like Nintendo

Nintendo is known for shutting down fan projects the closer they are to release. It's kinda scummy thing to do. But yes Nintendo CEOs have done good stuff by lowering their own pay instead of firing employees.

But Nintendo has also been really aggressive at claiming content on Youtube, to the point where if you just show a bit from one of their game trailers they'll claim the entire video as their own. There is very little arguing with them too about it.

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