The effectivity of Shotokan Karate.

[HeroicHeathen]

Hi,

Big topic in a few sentences:

I practiced many martial arts and noticed that Shotokan Karate seems to be the most unrealistic out of all of them as the majority of Dojos lack decent Kumite and Bunkai.

Especially since the Karate reform in 1930s.

Has anyone here ever had to use Karate for self defence? Did it work? What was your experience?

I am planning on starting again but my experience with it is rather negative, coming from a more full contact background I always felt that Karate is 80% a waste of time IF you are looking for self defence and being able to win a fight. Unless you train Kyokushin Karate on Okinawa x))

[Xero_Daxter]

I never heard of that Style before. As for Fighting Styles and effectiveness... the best style is no style. Use what works.

But then again.... I never got into a fight (like a real fight) before even though I am a 2nd Dan Black Belt in Tae-Kwon-Do and have several medals.

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[Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍]

Shotokan karate isn't a sport karate. It's actually about refining one's individual abilities and strengths.

They commonly train more basic techniques so that they ascend normal limits of set techniques.

It's less about flashy, and more about direct application of technique.

[HeroicHeathen]

Xero_Daxter eredeti hozzászólása:

I never heard of that Style before. As for Fighting Styles and effectiveness... the best style is no style. Use what works.

But then again.... I never got into a fight (like a real fight) before even though I am a 2nd Dan Black Belt in Tae-Kwon-Do and have several medals.

https://i.imgur.com/HUAP5Bm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/D0o1W10.jpg

Shotokan Karate is the most common style in Europe.

I did ITF Taekwondo and I enjoyed it a lot, but I would not rely on it for self defence.

What you are saying is true, USE WHAT WORKS hence I feel spending time on something like Karate would be a waste of time, especially for someone like me who did several martial arts and fighting systems before, for the last 15 ish years.

Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍 eredeti hozzászólása:

Shotokan karate isn't a sport karate. It's actually about refining one's individual abilities and strengths.

They commonly train more basic techniques so that they ascend normal limits of set techniques.

It's less about flashy, and more about direct application of technique.

I know what Shotokan Karate is as I hold an Orange belt in it myself and have sparred with many Shotokan Karate black belts, to my disappointment, they all sucked in sparring.... I hoped they could show me one or the other thing, but they were completely overwhelmed with sparring and would not survive a street fight either.

If I want to refine my abilities and strength I am better off going for a run everyday and working out with weights and bodyweight in the forest in cold and rainy weather everyday and maybe hitting my punching back for 30 minutes every evening rather than wasting time on walking Katas and punching in the air or repeating stiff movements that will inject wrong reactions in to my brain and get me killed in a street fight.

If someone does Shotokan Karate for health,....cool..but there are bette other choices to reach that goal.

Karate has been developed to be able to defend yourself in the cruelest way, only the reform in 1930 has pushed it in to sport karate, which is also not for self defence.

[Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍]

Okay now I have to ask was that a full contact dojo or was it just a light contact dojo

[Levi]

We've learned martial arts in P.E during high-school.

There are some practical self-defense techniques that can apply to daily life.

The issue with martial arts, is the fact that you need to keep pracitcing, or else, a few months down the line, you're going to forget 50% of what you've learnt.

Unless you've immersed yourself with it for a long time, you're going to forget it without practice.

[AdahnGorion]

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In my opinion.. This makes "styles" pointless.

[Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍]

See that's where my question about full-contact versus light contact comes into play. Light contact is merely for health training and discipline. But you train so long to hold back that when a situation where you need an actually use it you instinctively pull.

Full-contact you learn to follow through. It is a far more painful alternative but it's actually the only form of martial arts that's useful for self-defense.

[Hayter]

I train jew jitsu (Krav Maga) 🥊

[Levi]

Darkie eredeti hozzászólása:

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In my opinion.. This makes "styles" pointless.

Not sure what your post implies, but self-defence, in general, aims to target most hand to hand combat, and with non-lethal weapons in most cases.

There are many arming / disarming techniques, but those are at point-blank scenarios.

Anything else, is a strict gun-fight.

[HeroicHeathen]

Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍 eredeti hozzászólása:

Okay now I have to ask was that a full contact dojo or was it just a light contact dojo

90% of Dojos here are semi-contact, not full contact.

10% that are full contact are not Shotokan,these would be Kyokushin Kai Karate.

Hence I say, Shotokan Karate seems rather useless and there are better choices to prepare you for a fight such as Muay Thai, MMA, Sanshou.

Robin3sk eredeti hozzászólása:

We've learned martial arts in P.E during high-school.

There are some practical self-defense techniques that can apply to daily life.

The issue with martial arts, is the fact that you need to keep pracitcing, or else, a few months down the line, you're going to forget 50% of what you've learnt.

Unless you've immersed yourself with it for a long time, you're going to forget it without practice.

:cozydbd:

I would not say 50% considering I still kicked a$$ on a pretty decent level after having a break for over 8 years, but true...you will definitely not be as trained anymore in terms of reflexes and reaction and speed.

What I am saying is, that a Karateka who practiced for 7 years will be easily destroyed by a Muay-Thai fighter who has only been practising for 6-7 months as Muay Thai throws you right in to the happening on your first day and Karate wastes precious time on silly kata exercises instead of the real deal.

[Levi]

Atlantean eredeti hozzászólása:

I would not say 50% considering I still kicked a$$ on a pretty decent level after having a break for over 8 years, but true...you will definitely not be as trained anymore in terms of reflexes and reaction and speed.

I'm guessing you had previously practiced it on a daily basis, or some regular schedule?

It's been at least 3 years since i've done anything in that field, and maybe some day i will start from scratch.

[Z i o ⚡]

I've trained in Shotokan Karate when I was ten and also got to an orange belt. I also agree it's probably too stiff and not very practical. I only stopped because the instructor was only training at a school I was going to until it was summer, and then I trained a little bit more with a different karate instructor later, until the kids I was going with got in trouble. I'm not sure what style the second karate place I was training at was. Kyokushin is probably better to train in and it looks cool from what I saw of it.

[HeroicHeathen]

Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍 eredeti hozzászólása:

See that's where my question about full-contact versus light contact comes into play. Light contact is merely for health training and discipline. But you train so long to hold back that when a situation where you need an actually use it you instinctively pull.

Full-contact you learn to follow through. It is a far more painful alternative but it's actually the only form of martial arts that's useful for self-defense.

I agree.

Full Contact is the only way that will prepare you for a real fight on the streets without rules, but even full contact Karate will restrict you due the low defence and not being allowed to punch the face in Kyokushin Karate. These guys dont know the feeling of getting clustered with strikes in your head, while a Western Boxer would be familiar with getting hit in the face many times and would keep his cool, duck out and strike back.

I agree, but even Full Contact Karate is not the real deal, there are much better options.

[s w e k]

Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍 eredeti hozzászólása:

See that's where my question about full-contact versus light contact comes into play. Light contact is merely for health training and discipline. But you train so long to hold back that when a situation where you need an actually use it you instinctively pull.

Full-contact you learn to follow through. It is a far more painful alternative but it's actually the only form of martial arts that's useful for self-defense.

In experience, my instructors used light contact as a way to practice the technique. During that time it isn't about power, but learning how to chamber kicks, correct form, and practice discipline. It's really only useful as a sort of "set up" for full contact.

[HeroicHeathen]

Robin3sk eredeti hozzászólása:

Atlantean eredeti hozzászólása:

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I would not say 50% considering I still kicked a$$ on a pretty decent level after having a break for over 8 years, but true...you will definitely not be as trained anymore in terms of reflexes and reaction and speed.

I'm guessing you had previously practiced it on a daily basis, or some regular schedule?

It's been at least 3 years since i've done anything in that field, and maybe some day i will start from scratch.

:cozybrawlhalla3:

I stopped last year due an Injury, now I am healed up again. I practiced TKD last did Kickboxing and some MMA before that and boxing and all the ♥♥♥♥♥ that comes with it.

Hence Karate looks rather ineffective to me now, I did sparring in several Karate Dojos and have never encountered anyone there that could reach me the water. As soon as you fight a Karateka and you are using something that is NOT Karate, they are overwhelmed and start whining and willl lose the fight. This cant be the purpose of a martial art (karate) to be useless on the street.....

" Modern Karate " is garbage and ancient karate is non existent in Europe or the western world unless some tiny tiny 0,5% miniority who trains with some Master Myagi style dude who usually does not teach to public....lets face it.