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AdahnGorion 2019 年 10 月 19 日 上午 5:43
No Deus Vult in - Crusader Kings 3 - Whats your opinion? Are you hyped about it?
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2019/10/19/crusader-kings-3-is-happening-heres-ten-things-we-know-so-far/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rockpapershotgun%2Fsteam+%28Rock%2C+Paper%2C+Shotgun%3A+Steam+RSS%29

Paradox Interactive have announced Crusader Kings 3
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1158310/Crusader_Kings_III/

In the RPS article it says that they have excluded Deus Vult (a known expression, from the crusades meaning "God wills it") its been in the two other games. So why is it excluded now?

In the years since CK2’s release, “Deus Vult” – an eleventh century crusader battlecry – has become a vile meme beloved of racists on the internet. I asked how Paradox’s community team felt about this, and was told emphatically that the words will not appear in Crusader Kings 3. That’s refreshing, but in a game set during a time of conflicts fetishised by modern fascists, it’s the tip of the iceberg. I’ll be writing more about how Paradox are handling the political sensitivities of making a game about the crusades, and how they’re handling the representation of non-European cultures, in the weeks to come.

Do you think that is a good choice? Do you think it undermines history? Do you think other expressions will be removed? Like Allahu Akbar?

Give your opinion on the matter and if you want give a solution.
Personally I don't care if they changed it with "Gods wills it" or similar, but I do think its problematic to remove and censor stuff just because certain groups of people adopt various saying.. If that is the case, we might as well censor most sayings.. Because you can really be offended by anything now a days.


Are you hyped by Crusader kings 3 ?
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Gus the Crocodile 2019 年 10 月 19 日 下午 10:12 
引用自 Boofalo Soja
That which has been outsourced to private contractors. It was a slick move, I admit.
These vague conspiratorial allusions aren't actually an answer to the question you've quoted.
Blargo 2019 年 10 月 19 日 下午 10:22 
Another non-issue turned into an issue.
What else is new?
Exiled Alchemist 2019 年 10 月 19 日 下午 10:39 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxrtWAENzA8

I no longer support new Paradox Interactive titles when all they do is DLC spam them into the ground. This is to the point that they become too expensive, or become unoptimized from content overload. I learned from my mistake with Cities: Skylines. The only way they will get money out of me is if I see a deep discounted complete edition.
Unexpected 2019 年 10 月 19 日 下午 10:59 
a so called historical game is censoring a part of history because some idiots online used the phrase, they have no credibility now
AdahnGorion 2019 年 10 月 20 日 上午 2:39 
引用自 ;1609400247634591935
引用自 Boofalo Soja
"Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it." -- Burke

"...Those who do know history are doomed to sit and watch everyone else repeat it." -- New Yorker Cartoonist

People see a word in the dictionary removed due to social reasons and no one bats an eye. A Latin word gets removed in a video-game and everyone looses their minds!

I oppose all censoring of history, no matter how "dire or wrong" some might think the actions were.
AdahnGorion 2019 年 10 月 20 日 上午 2:40 
引用自 Rocket
At this point they could remove crosses and make everyone in Europe brown using the same logic.

That is why people voice up about this being cut, because what is next? People say that its just a text, sure.. but what is removed next? We have seen this in other game series, that have censored more and more until all that is left, is alternative history and happy faces.
AdahnGorion 2019 年 10 月 20 日 上午 2:43 
引用自 Boofalo Soja
引用自 Gus the Crocodile
What censorship?
That which has been outsourced to private contractors. It was a slick move, I admit.

They clearly have an agenda, you can see it not only in games, but also movies, books and even educational stuff now a days... I have seen history books for 6th graders having religious symbols removed, battles and traditions (because its deemed offensive or problematic)
Then the kids ask.. Is it true people in the medieval time were happy and never went to war......
AdahnGorion 2019 年 10 月 20 日 上午 2:44 
引用自 Dxpress
Another non-issue turned into an issue.
What else is new?

Its more than the two battle cries being removed. Look at the article and what I wrote.. I fear the game is dumbed down and I am scared about the skill tree changes.. I do like the map and guess the new portraits might be alright, albeit people call it the sims
76109108007942031 2019 年 10 月 20 日 上午 3:01 
Didn't they come out and say their words were misrepresented and they haven't decided whether or not 'Deus Vult' will be in the game?

And if it is, I don't really care to be honest it's such a tiny part of my favourite game I probably wouldn't even notice.
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AdahnGorion 2019 年 10 月 20 日 上午 3:14 
引用自 Sir Illic
Didn't they come out and say their words were misrepresented and they haven't decided whether or not 'Deus Vult' will be in the game?

And if it is, I don't really care to be honest it's such a tiny part of my favourite game I probably wouldn't even notice.

They said that they think the "communication" about removing the words were misinterperated. But the words are censored out. One might say its not a big deal, its just a few words, but what if they also remove other things (by the same argument) no more marriage under 18, no more wife (female) killing, no more kids killing (they will be immortal until 18) no more crusades/jihads, equal rights from the game start in all cultures, etc etc etc.. Its problematic to censor stuff, because people or groups in our modern times adopt a saying or do similar actions...

That being said, its not a deal breaker for me, if they just replaced it with stuff like "god wills it" or whatever.. I am more scared about the new skill tree system and what looks to be a dumbed down game
AdahnGorion 2019 年 10 月 20 日 上午 3:41 
引用自 ExiledAlchemist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxrtWAENzA8

I no longer support new Paradox Interactive titles when all they do is DLC spam them into the ground. This is to the point that they become too expensive, or become unoptimized from content overload. I learned from my mistake with Cities: Skylines. The only way they will get money out of me is if I see a deep discounted complete edition.

The DLC practice is fine, their game last 7-12 years. Other studios spam you a new iteration every 6-12 months and still fork out dlc's. The only problem with CK3 on that regard will be if it offers less or equal to what CK2 did on release (I am fairly certain it does not) The reason they give us CK3 is mainly because the old engine CK2 is on can't handle anymore now.
AdahnGorion 2019 年 10 月 20 日 上午 3:54 
PDX have updated with a new qoute.

Update – Henrik Fåhraeus offered this comment: “I feel like this issue has been miscommunicated thus far. We have not specifically considered which terms are used in the game apart from making sense in the historical context. The team will decide how any text fits or does not fit into CK3 in a way that feels appropriate.”


This is however what was written on the forums yesterday by their moderators.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/203770/discussions/0/1608274347726001554/#c1608274347726200141
Trundle 2019 年 10 月 20 日 上午 3:59 
I'm surprised this thread still going while OP thread on CK3 get deleted or worse. :knight:
sotaponi 2019 年 10 月 20 日 上午 4:02 
引用自 Paracelsus
I'm agnostic and couldn't care less if any gods or goddesses exist since worshipping anything or anyone is for slaves.
Of course, "worship" is slave terminology. You can still treasure your deserving waifu goddess(es) for all the boons she brings and return offerings for this reason in kind. Or vice versa.

Otherwise IDK. I guess removing this phrase is an acknowledgement of games being political even if people like to tell themselves that they aren't. *stuff* I just hope they will stay out of my pure waifu business with ther hysterical delusions.
AdahnGorion 2019 年 10 月 20 日 上午 4:02 
I'm surprised this thread still going while OP thread on CK3 get deleted or worse. :knight:

I have not made any threads on either CK2/CK3 forum. I do have one on the original PDX forum (that one is still going strong, but is about the skill tree only)
Plenty of threads was deleted on the two forums, but they did not make proper questions, like this one do (it takes all into context) and as you can see also updates it.

There are a few good threads on CK3 forum atm as well.
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