If the Witcher 3 @4k runs at 60+fps then....

[TickleMeRifle]

...any other game that can't hit 60fps is unoptimised.

seriously though I can run witcher 3 max at 4k with the framerate barely dipping below 60fps. 99% of the time the game is running >60fps. And yet i play games that don't even look half as good as the Witcher 3 and run choppy even at 1080p. Seriously crappy that game developers aren't optimising their games. Can someone in the game developemnt industry actually tell me why arent all games optimised as well as this? Is it a cost thing? is it a complicated process? is it just general laziness???

If an open world game with those sort of graphics can run smoothly at 4k every other game should at least hit 60fps at 1080p!

[-V-]

60fps gives me a headache.
45fps max for me
prefer 25-35.

[僕の名前 (仮)]

Depends what shaders they use, what culling algorithms for geometry, how many drawcalls or texture fetches, what AA algorithm used, whether they use LODs or tesselation etc etc etc... there too many things.

Some devs still think that polycount does matter (overrate the problem) while they forget about alpha overdraw (underrate the problem), that's just 1 example.

Another problem I see ppl make too many materials instead of material instances, i'ts more a UE4 mistake than Unity or Source.

Having too many unique textures instead of blending tiled textures in smart way in a shader.

[Lusus Symphonia]

That's because you're running the game at low/medium settings, try playing ultra at 4k and see how well that pans out.

引用自 dasdasdasd：

turn on hairworks

And then use your witcher senses, seriously hurts the fps.

[TickleMeRifle]

引用自 Red Monk：

That's because you're running the game at low/medium settings, try playing ultra at 4k and see how well that pans out.

引用自 dasdasdasd：

turn on hairworks

And then use your witcher senses, seriously hurts the fps.

game is running at max. ultra everything. every setting turned on except AA which it doesn't need at 4k since there are no jaggies in the image. The thing is the game has been so optimised since release you could literally run the game at 5k downsampled and it will still run over 60fps.

[Lusus Symphonia]

引用自 TickleMeRifle：

game is running at max. ultra everything. every setting turned on except AA which it doesn't need at 4k since there are no jaggies in the image. The thing is the game has been so optimised since release you could literally run the game at 5k downsampled and it will still run over 60fps.

It's possible that AA is the biggest hit to FPS though, do you have a screenshot or can anyone agree that SLI 980 is able to hit 4k ultra? a single GTX 1080 can't as I've tried, some settings need to be turned down to keep it a steady, especially when the wind blows.

[Xaelath]

Its almost similiar to Bioshock Infinite when it was out.
The Optimization is almost perfect (check minimum recommendation) for such graphic during it times.

I think optimization doesnt cost much.
The main issues lies on engine complexity.
Well if we're talking about hiring more people to optimize the game then we might as well talking about cost and budget.
On some occasion there might be no other way to optimize the game to complexity itself.

[Azza ☠]

引用自 -V-：

60fps gives me a headache.
45fps max for me
prefer 25-35.

You are doing something wrong? Probably your graphics card isn't driving it at a smooth flow and causing drops (stuttering / tearing). Like in an explosion, the frames drop, then return back up. Your brain is picking up on that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT8f_1oRsLU

The human eye doesn't actually see in FPS, rather it notices the animation edge movement and stutter/flickering between the frames. That's why monitors have a backlight, to reduce the flicker across.

You can happily watch a movie on tv at 24 FPS. Because it's a solid flow.

Yet when image quality goes up, the edges become more noticed, therefore higher FPS is required to keep that smooth flow.

The human brain is smart enough to fill in missing gaps, yet gets frustrated and annoyed in doing so. They call this "Movie magic" at low FPS (kept at a smooth rate), as it gets to a point where the brain just imagines how it should look. However, really that is what is stressing out the brain.

Getting up to 60 FPS+ (kept at a smooth rate), the brain should be less stressed and more relaxed in viewing. Some people on 120 FPS+ won't go back.

Consider it like wearing glasses. Your eyes adjust with time and consider it the norm. Wear glasses, suddenly it looks better. Remove the glasses and your norm has changed, therefore you consider it a lot worst. As your brain now has a comparison.

[Marcy]

The Witcher 3 isn't that graphically stunning unless you force it to be. In fact, honestly, it's praised too much for it's graphical quality. It doesn't look amazing.

It looks great, but if you start paying attention to the way environments and objects are lit, all the lack of Global Illumination and contrast starts to stand out like a sore thumb. It's also visually very noisy.

The foliage is amazing though.

Anyway, The Witcher 3 really isn't that demanding honestly. I've seen far worse.

[-V-]

引用自 Azza ☠：

引用自 -V-：

60fps gives me a headache.
45fps max for me
prefer 25-35.

You are doing something wrong? Probably your graphics card isn't driving it at a smooth flow and causing drops (stuttering / tearing). Like in an explosion, the frames drop, then return back up. Your brain is picking up on that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT8f_1oRsLU

The human eye doesn't actually see in FPS, rather it notices the animation edge movement and stutter/flickering between the frames. That's why monitors have a backlight, to reduce the flicker across.

You can happily watch a movie on tv at 24 FPS. Because it's a solid flow.

Yet when image quality goes up, the edges become more noticed, therefore higher FPS is required to keep that smooth flow.

The human brain is smart enough to fill in missing gaps, yet gets frustrated and annoyed in doing so. They call this "Movie magic" at low FPS (kept at a smooth rate), as it gets to a point where the brain just imagines how it should look. However, really that is what is stressing out the brain.

Getting up to 60 FPS+ (kept at a smooth rate), the brain should be less stressed and more relaxed in viewing. Some people on 120 FPS+ won't go back.

Consider it like wearing glasses. Your eyes adjust with time and consider it the norm. Wear glasses, suddenly it looks better. Remove the glasses and your norm has changed, therefore you consider it a lot worst. As your brain now has a comparison.

I have extremely light sensitive eyes, to the point where I can see in the dark extremely well.

Each frame of light sticks to my eyes longer than normal, so I need fewer frames to be able to process the image. Too many frames hurts my eyes and gives me a headache.

And of course we all want steady framerates. Uneven framerates suck for everyone.

[AbedsBrother]

- Different game engines. RedEngine3 (Witcher 3) is different from Glacier II (Hitman Absolution), which is different from Unreal 3 (Batman: Arkham Knight), which is different from Frostbyte 3 (Mass Effect Andromeda). Optimizations for one game cannot be copy-pasted into others.

- Different companies have different priorities. Some companies give a ♥♥♥♥ about optimizing, some don't. It's a time-consuming chore. And even for the companies that do care, there's only a certain amount of production time & budget devoted to bug-fixing and optimization; exceeding either drags the publisher into the discussion. Deadlines and due dates are a publisher's top priority.

I suspect when Witcher 3 was released, CDPR knew it was going to become a "benchmark game," regardless of how successful it was otherwise, so it received some extra polishing.