What exactly causes "toxic" fanbases and is there any way to prevent them?

[Polarblastman]

I'm just wondering.

[Prince Jude of Nohr]

PastelWraith の投稿を引用：

laff の投稿を引用：

Persistent ranks and cosmetics promote elitism and snobbery, get rid of them and you'll have a better community.

You'll still be judged on your skill even if you're having an off day. I prefer ranks to at least keep me with similarly skilled players. There just needs to be a better algorithm so I'm actually with similar players.

In terms of actual competitive play, I'd say FE's worse. They basically religiously adhere that "bases matter, growth units suck!" while COMPLETELY ignoring the fact that there's multiple ways of playing.

Ugh, FE tierists are scum.

[Aznees]

One word: overexposure

[laff]

PastelWraith の投稿を引用：

laff の投稿を引用：

Persistent ranks and cosmetics promote elitism and snobbery, get rid of them and you'll have a better community.

You'll still be judged on your skill even if you're having an off day. I prefer ranks to at least keep me with similarly skilled players. There just needs to be a better algorithm so I'm actually with similar players.

Yes, but they can't pass judgment until the game's (close to) over and even the best players can have a bad or unlucky round. Rather than being judged on the shiny image next to your name or the shiny cosmetic in your inventory, you're judged by your performance in that one match. This is quickly forgotten if playing with random players or if you simply do better the next round, so there's no stigma or elitism.

I prefer all players being thrown into the thick of it together. I think it's better for players to improve their skills and top scoring in an unrestricted game gives them a better goal than the next shiny graphic image to unlock for killing newbs in their matchmaking bracket. If the top players want more of a challenge, they'll join clans and tournaments. Which is another thing, official competitive game modes do not work even close to as well as community-organized competitions.

[PastelWraith]

laff の投稿を引用：

PastelWraith の投稿を引用：

You'll still be judged on your skill even if you're having an off day. I prefer ranks to at least keep me with similarly skilled players. There just needs to be a better algorithm so I'm actually with similar players.

Yes, but they can't pass judgment until the game's (close to) over and even the best players can have a bad or unlucky round. Rather than being judged on the shiny image next to your name or the shiny cosmetic in your inventory, you're judged by your performance in that one match. This is quickly forgotten if playing with random players or if you simply do better the next round, so there's no stigma or elitism.

I prefer all players being thrown into the thick of it together. I think it's better for players to improve their skills and top scoring in an unrestricted game gives them a better goal than the next shiny graphic image to unlock for killing newbs in their matchmaking bracket. If the top players want more of a challenge, they'll join clans and tournaments. Which is another thing, official competitive game modes do not work even close to as well as community-organized competitions.

Having everyone mixed is not a good idea. I've experienced this before and it just makes the scrubs angry that they're facing top tier players, it makes good players angry that they have scrubs on their team or playing easy matches, and no ones ends up happy. You shouldn't need to join a tournament to play a fair and challenging match.

[Polarblastman]

laff の投稿を引用：

Persistent ranks and cosmetics promote elitism and snobbery, get rid of them and you'll have a better community.

Plenty of games that don't have those still have toxic fanbases.

[UNSTOPPABLE ALBOMENTUM]

Children of both the immature and manchild types.

[Polarblastman]

xkcdHatGuy の投稿を引用：

Polarblastman の投稿を引用：

I guess that is one way a bad fanbase could happen. As for how it could be prevented, I think developers should be more involved with the fans so the fans feel connected to them. That won't ensure that the fanbase doesn't turn out bad but it can help a bit. I was just curious to see if there were any other ways to prevent bad fanbases.

Interesting subject. As an indie developer on Steam, I can say that I've more than likely mitigated a few possible situations where toxicity was at play, but then resolved. However, it's the Internet, so even as "the developer", you can't necessarily "white knight" everything -- some people just genuinely do not like your product, or the attention it has received, and will let you know about it immensely: truthfully, or falsified

I had a few thousand hours in Counter-Strike throughout the years of playing since 2004, and I can't think of any worse fan base that I've encountered in video games via voice communications -- it's a bit better now due to the ease of blocking, and report functions, but it's relatively the same in many ways to the prior versions in the prime days

I agree, I think developers should try to be more involved with thier fans. If they're not, it can lead to cases with hardcore fans turning toxic and saying things like "The developer(s) don't care about what we want" or "(Developer) is a big hack". Of course there always will be some bad apples in the fanbase who just won't listen to reason but doing that should help keep the entire fanbase from turning into a toxic wasteand.

[Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍]

What the hell. There is no way to keep fans from doing 2hat they do, aside from making something so bad it hasno fans.

That is the nature of fandom.

[76561198414681625]

keeping a fandom as private and as unknown as possible will help not have it flooded with kids, mentally retarded and people who degrade fandoms in general

[Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍]

Totally Not A Bot の投稿を引用：

keeping a fandom as private and as unknown as possible will help not have it flooded with kids, mentally retarded and people who degrade fandoms in general

Tell the ♥♥♥♥ ball half life 3 fans that.

Fans suck. The sourse is fine.

[76561198414681625]

ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍 の投稿を引用：

Totally Not A Bot の投稿を引用：

keeping a fandom as private and as unknown as possible will help not have it flooded with kids, mentally retarded and people who degrade fandoms in general

Tell the ♥♥♥♥ ball half life 3 fans that.

Fans suck. The sourse is fine.

Theres no point in making open fandoms private because it will never work when a fandom has already exploded in stupid ammounts of popularity on the internet.

[aG| Wardog]

The human race causes it, and there's not really any way to prevent it. People are garbage, for the most part. There are certainly outliers, who are actually decent people, but the majority of human beings are total crap.

[Azza ☠]

"Leafy Has A Huge C***" (ironically titled) is an example of a toxic fanbase. A bunch of edgy kids (who's happen to mostly be in their 20s but still virgins I guess rather than actually 12 year old or younger as most others would assume) spamming out racism, torture porn, and corrupted mods. Left long enough and they will kill themselves off (even attacking each other), becoming a dead waste land left to rot.

ps: I personally have no idea why Steam even allows groups like that. Over 6900+ members (including kids) with even a mod who spams out the n-word on a daily basis and show everyone gross and illegal content.

LeafyIsHere however has immunity from the TOS rules on both Youtube and Steam platforms, due to his fanbase size and some kinda of corrupted payout system. Therefore was taken down by other means, dead channel walking...

[SpaceyMatt]

ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍 の投稿を引用：

Totally Not A Bot の投稿を引用：

keeping a fandom as private and as unknown as possible will help not have it flooded with kids, mentally retarded and people who degrade fandoms in general

Tell the ♥♥♥♥ ball half life 3 fans that.

Fans suck. The sourse is fine.

But.. but.. muh HL3 :( I wants it :(

[Messy]

most of the toxic fans have nothing else to live for other than their vid game states and collection of pixel colors. so they defend them viciously.