Will Valve please stomp out Project Borealis?

[Bellatrix]

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of a community made Half Life game.
However, I also know that if a bad Half Life 3 is made, then enthusiasm is killed for anyone else thinking of doing the same.

It's kind of like how I was workng with some programmers to design a decentralised imageboard called 16chan, then they all vanished when someone talked to them about their own already-functional 16chan, even though that 16chan died in a few days when everyone spammed it with gore so their host dropped them.

If a fully-fledged Half Life 3 is released to a wide audience, all enthusiasm for future Half Life games will be killed, unless it's so good that it can be continued from and expanded upon.
That means that Project Borealis must be truly worthy to claim the throne of Half Life 3, if it is to be allowed to exist.

Is Project Borealis worthy?
No, it's a discoordinated effort without any real talent, but due to being the only attempt at HL3 it's already getting more attention than it should.

[Blargo]

'Kay.

[Lyz920]

They shouldn't.

[Lieutenant Tea™]

Originally posted by Dxpress:

'Kay.

Originally posted by Shady:

They shouldn't.

[dont add me]

The Black Mesa guys did a pretty decent job remaking the original Half-Life, but I think it's been over ten years or something and it's still not finished. The thing I don't think you fully appreciate is that it takes a lot of work to make a game like that. There's a reason titles from major franchises have such high budgets. If it's made by a bunch of fans, it's probably never going to be what you would have wanted. And let's say that they manage to get enough talented volunteers working on it full time. It's probably going to be a nightmare to coordinate them all.

I guess what I'm saying is that maybe you shouldn't expect so much.

[Marsquatch]

Ehhh. The leaked script for HL3 pretty much sealed its fate. It's either this or HL3: Text document edition.

In a situation like this I think I'd be willing to give fan games a change.

[Bellatrix]

Originally posted by Swoocer:

Ehhh. The leaked script for HL3 pretty much sealed its fate. It's either this or HL3: Text document edition.

In a situation like this I think I'd be willing to give fan games a change.

That's exactly why Project Borealis shouldn't exist.
Project Borealis won't be good. But as I said, the existence of one fan project drains enthusiasm for any others doing the same thing.

[Sun Praisa']

Originally posted by Vriscout Spenceket:

Originally posted by Swoocer:

Ehhh. The leaked script for HL3 pretty much sealed its fate. It's either this or HL3: Text document edition.

In a situation like this I think I'd be willing to give fan games a change.

That's exactly why Project Borealis shouldn't exist.
Project Borealis won't be good. But as I said, the existence of one fan project drains enthusiasm for any others doing the same thing.

But what if the fan project turns out to be better than the previous HL2 games?

I'm willing to give it a chance.

[Mossy Snake]

Originally posted by Vriscout Spenceket:

Originally posted by Swoocer:

Ehhh. The leaked script for HL3 pretty much sealed its fate. It's either this or HL3: Text document edition.

In a situation like this I think I'd be willing to give fan games a change.

That's exactly why Project Borealis shouldn't exist.
Project Borealis won't be good. But as I said, the existence of one fan project drains enthusiasm for any others doing the same thing.

That's an extremely open argument, as those "enthusiastic fan games" may end up being much worse than LaidLaw's story. It can go either way.

There also isn't anything stopping fans from making side-stories or prequels (See: the ongoing fan-comic that takes place between HL1 and HL2) or even "HL4's" and beyond.

This story only adds more to the lore, and gives fans a huge amount of new material to work with, which is a good thing.

[Mossy Snake]

Originally posted by AtTheGates:

Unless they use Valve's IP they're fine.

Valve fully allows mods and remakes of their games if they get credited and possibly some of the royalties. See: Black Mesa and Fortress Forever

[Bellatrix]

Originally posted by Sun Praisa':

Originally posted by Vriscout Spenceket:

That's exactly why Project Borealis shouldn't exist.
Project Borealis won't be good. But as I said, the existence of one fan project drains enthusiasm for any others doing the same thing.

But what if the fan project turns out to be better than the previous HL2 games?

I'm willing to give it a chance.

It won't be.

Marc Laidlaw didn't write the previous Half Life games solo (He was guided by the work of his colleagues), so the damage his incompetence could do was limited.

Epistle 3 is the kind of trash you get when Marc Laidlaw is allowed to work on his own.
The people of Project Borealis have no creativity though, so they're sticking with Epistle 3, meaning their project is already doomed since their plot is unbelievably awful.

Also, don't forget that they have to make filler content for the plot since Epistle 3 is too short.
It'll be filler content made by people with so little creativity that they used a pre-written plot.
Epistle 3 will look GREAT in comparison to Project Borealis, because Project Borealis is the work of a bad writer expanded with the work of even worse writers.

[Mossy Snake]

Originally posted by Vriscout Spenceket:

Originally posted by Sun Praisa':

But what if the fan project turns out to be better than the previous HL2 games?

I'm willing to give it a chance.

It won't be.

Marc Laidlaw didn't write the previous Half Life games solo (He was guided by the work of his colleagues), so the damage his incompetence could do was limited.

Epistle 3 is the kind of trash you get when Marc Laidlaw is allowed to work on his own.
The people of Project Borealis have no creativity though, so they're sticking with Epistle 3, meaning their project is already doomed since their plot is unbelievably awful.

Also, don't forget that they have to make filler content for the plot since Epistle 3 is too short.
It'll be filler content made by people with so little creativity that they used a pre-written plot.
Epistle 3 will look GREAT in comparison to Project Borealis, because Project Borealis is the work of a bad writer expanded with the work of even worse writers.

So you're basing your entire argument on an opinion that plenty of people disagree with.

It would be one thing to say that if the general consensus of Epistle 3 were negative, but it isn't. Plenty of people loved the story, and are waiting patiently to actually be able to play it.

Then there's the fact that Black Mesa, the game the devs previously worked on, is considered a masterpiece of both gameplay and sound design, as it actually added new lore and "filler" into HL1 that plenty of people love (As proven by it's above 90% reviews).

There's also the fact that while Marc did not write HL alone, he was the primary writer and therefore the man who likely wrote most of the main storyline and dialogue. While his colleagues did help him and add more to it, the writing was primarily his.

The devs aren't going to stop a project because of one man's opinion, and since they're legally in the right Valve won't do anything about it.

[1v4n94]

Why are you attacking fan made creations? If they are good or bad that doesn't mean you have the rights to attack them that way. Can you see the future where PB is awful as a piece of sh!t? NO. You are just speculating.

Half-Life would always be remembered as a property of Valve, and even if Valve games are not as good as fan creations, VALVE WOULD NEVER DIE, FOR IT IS THE MOTHER OF HALF-LIFE & PORTAL, therefore good or bad fanfiction games DO NOT KILL THE MOTHER COMPANY WHO CREATED SUCH MASTERPIECES.


I DID NOT LIKE THE CLOSURE MOD FOR HALF LIFE 2, BUT NOT BECAUSE OF THAT HALF LIFE IS AFFECTED IN ANY WAY. And not because the Closure may seem bad to me it means I wish it to be dead. This is not some Nazi sh!t like "we decide what happens" to a game. If the developers are respectful to the original creators (legal and moral aspects), they should be permitted to publish their games on Steam or any other platform.


I disagree with you all in "wanting fanmade creations to be destroyed or not allowed to be on Steam because they may 'break' the Franchise"! ...Making a game IS NO JOKE AT ALL; it takes effort and a lot of time! It's like raising a child and then someone who dislikes childs comes and tells an assassin that he wants THAT particular child killed! -.-


sic semper tyrannis

[Aznees]

Originally posted by 1v4n94:

Why are you attacking fan made creations? If they are good or bad that doesn't mean you have the rights to attack them that way. Can you see the future where PB is awful as a piece of sh!t? NO. You are just speculating.

Half-Life would always be remembered as a property of Valve, and even if Valve games are not as good as fan creations, VALVE WOULD NEVER DIE, FOR IT IS THE MOTHER OF HALF-LIFE & PORTAL, therefore good or bad fanfiction games DO NOT KILL THE MOTHER COMPANY WHO CREATED SUCH MASTERPIECES.


I DID NOT LIKE THE CLOSURE MOD FOR HALF LIFE 2, BUT NOT BECAUSE OF THAT HALF LIFE IS AFFECTED IN ANY WAY. And not because the Closure may seem bad to me it means I wish it to be dead. This is not some Nazi sh!t like "we decide what happens" to a game. If the developers are respectful to the original creators (legal and moral aspects), they should be permitted to publish their games on Steam or any other platform.


I disagree with you all in "wanting fanmade creations to be destroyed or not allowed to be on Steam" because making a game IS NO JOKE AT ALL; it takes effort and a lot of time! It's like raising a child and then someone who dislikes childs comes and tells an assassin that he wants THAT particular child killed! -.-


sic semper tyrannis

For such an able typer, you’re pretty bad at reading dates.

[Polverrati]

Be honest, Valve will never make HL3. And regardless of whether or not the mod is good, Valve supports modding and fan projects, and they'd be hypocrites to shut this down while openly supporting and even selling Black Mesa.

In short,

Originally posted by Chadowcon99:

They shouldn't.

[wookiecharmander]

valve has never shut down a fan game before but if they try to make money off of it then they should definetly get sued and have to give the profits to valve