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- MrTT
A person who hasn't been influenced by society wouldn't even have language. Wanting to sit in judgement of such a person, to label them "good" or "evil" based on standards that have had no relevance to their development, would to me only speak of arrogance on the part of the 'judge'.
"Language" is more than words.
Animals have communities too. More rudimentary, maybe, but they, too, punish those who go out of line.; and by "going out of line" I of course mean endanger the ability for the community to survive. Sometimes it's as unfortunate as having been born an albino.
Life begins with organic molecules eating other organic molecules through sheer chemistry. Positively and negatively charged particles move about until they create something that no longer abides by simple chemistry. It eats chemistry to make more of itself.
Blah, blah, blah, we eventually end up with the gene, a self-replicating molecule that can only exist by virtue of survival. Faced with other genes that have done the same thing, little ecosystems begin to develop, and you ultimately have higher forms of life.
People are the product of these genes. We're no better than them, no better than their nature. Genes are all about survival. If you can take over another gene, why not do it? If you can work with another, why not do it?
The billions of years it has taken for genes to evolve ensured more complex organisms. and the end result is us. The brain is just an advanced sensory organ, like an eye, but one that can predict possible future outcomes.
What makes people special is empathy, the ability to guess at what others think. That's our link to each other and our heritage. It came to be from pretty brutal means, ♥♥♥♥ Sapiens massacred our ancestors and/or interbred with them. If you're the only one that can tell Ogg, who invented the log, that you're going to satisfy his desires by watching over his family while he sleeps, and then murder him because you know he is unaware, only your children will live.
As a consequence, they will become more and more clever, and now you're looking at what we have today. People love drama, they love guessing at the motives of others, and you're here right now because you want to understand those motives.
Well, my friend, I'm here to deliver, out of pure self-interest and just a little love for a fellow human. Read Dawkins. Understand the Red Queen hypothesis. Make what you will of them.
I've already got my answer. and I found it in Christ. Redemption for the original sin we are all born into, just by desiring to make the world a better place with mercy in our hearts. We are already in God's world, what matters is what we make of it. We MAKE a better future by aspiring to God.
But I'm not here to convert, far from it. Christianity is here for you as a home, but you need not accept our beliefs to know what you already know. You want to know if humans are good or evil. Your desire is to create greater order. And most importantly, you ask if you are moral.
You are. Others would not ask the question. You are moral. You have chosen to question morality, and so you are on the path to morality. You have chosen to better yourself. Peace be with you,
-living life completely alone from birth to death, avoiding any kind of conditioning (absurd scenario, as we NEED human contact at the very least in the early stages of life);
-being unable to learn, thus being stuck to crying and pooping ourseleves until we die of starvation.
That said, I don't think Xun is right either. By *my* definition of good and bad, most people are indeed selfish, hateful pri*ks, only a few have a genuine desire of seeing humanity living in peace and equality. But are humans born a**holes? Nah. They are weak, they seek for guidance and usually find it in "strong" men with stupid ideas.
Not "completely" subjective, as there, for better or worse, is a collective agreement on what is "good" and what is "bad". When dissected the "good" is what makes life easier, more convenient, and puts everyone at less of a risk, and "bad" is what makes life harder, less convenient, and puts everyone at higher risk.
Basically, people like not dying so anything that would bring one closer to death or increase the threat of death, is collectively considered "bad". And if we come to a situation where what's "good" for you is "bad" for the wider community, then the wider community will take steps to make it turn out "badly" for you, too, if you try it.