Patreon, Twitch, Youtube a outlet for beggars?

[Solarstrike]

It's really disturbing to see all the people on websites like Patreon, begging for money. Same goes for Twitch and Youtube. What is the world becoming? People are placing themselves out of society's reach and need, secluding themselves in a world of the sociopathic ideals. It's not healthy and it's toxic to humanity.

Something must be done and i hope the governments of the world look into it more closely. Start taxing the people making large sums of money off donations on Twitch, Youtube, and Patreon. Higher taxes on these outlets should be so high as to discourage others from begging. These are my opinions at looking at the larger picture. It's just sickening to see humanity turning into beggars. What are your thoughts?

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Messaggio originale di The apex Bogan:

i hope your being sarcastic here.

So you want donations taxable..? Nice thinking, and what a great evolution of what was charity...! Is that sarcasm?

[Lusus Symphonia]

Messaggio originale di The apex Bogan:

i hope your being sarcastic here.

What makes you think that?

[Edward Von Worms]

nevermind i got off topic lol. wrong thread.

[76561198001062896]

As a youtuber whos been thinking about this topic, heres my 2 cents:


I dont see anything wrong with having a paypal/patreon link IF someone wants to support what you are doing. I dont agree however with basically shove into your viewers face non-stop and begging for cash (*cough* DSP *cough´).

I think the keyword here is giving people the OPTION to donate if they want to. If you dont like it then tough luck, the world aint gonna suddenly change to fit your demand.

To put into perspective: theres a difference between people uploading lazy raw gameplay or whatever footage and expecting to get paid for it and between people spending HOURS and a lot of their revenue to buy equipment and upgrade it for the best quality content possible.

Messaggio originale di -V-:

I do agree with the OP that these kids should go out and get "real" jobs. Youtube is not an employer, nor is Twitch. If they are making $ off it, great, do it, but they need to realize it's not a career.

I can say that because I DO "work" on the internet on my days off, and I do make quite a bit of "slush" money doing so. But at the same time I recognize that my broadcasting isn't a job or career, it's just a lucrative hobby. A very very lucrative hobby.

And most users fail in the lucrative part. Someone might toss them a dollar or two here and there, but that's it. It's just not a viable thing. You either go viral immediately, or you sit in silence forever. That's show biz, baby.

In itself is indeed isnt and this is something all those wannabe startout youtubers need to realise: 99°% percent of video makers will never reach even near the income Pewdiepie can for instance aka basically earning enough cash to not have to work for the rest of your life.

It cannot be said enough times that you should ALWAYS have a main job or any other income revenue beside youtube, unless you want to end up in the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ if one day the youtube bubble will burst. And it will eventually.

[-V-]

Messaggio originale di Nkz waH.Axs kxi tr ii.U tx xn.tN:

So you want donations taxable..? Nice thinking, and what a great evolution of what was charity...! Is that sarcasm?

Well, no, I don't think anyone is saying that charitable donations should be taxed. We are merely differing on what is or is not charity. Giving to charity, totally tax exempt. Youtube isn't a charity, nor is twitch. What is merely called a "donation" for sugar coating purposes is really a gratuity for entertainment satisfaction.

It's in poor taste to ask for gratuity for youself (I did this thing, please give me money). It's perfectly accept to fundraise for a 501(c) organization (and even those need to file a Form 990).

[Tortellini]

I'm not sure if the author of this thread is trolling or not by suggesting governments start taxing people who obtain donations from their entertained fans. That would absolutely cripple the Youtube Twitch community. I suppose though if he does want it crippled, there is no better way than to impose (probably) illegal taxes.

However I will somewhat empathize and agree with one point made. All the incessant begging for money and the shoehorned ads for lootcrate, blue apron, etc, from nearly every established Youtube channel has made me sick. I'm of couse not sickened that the content creators are trying to further their channel, but the sheer repetition of it. It's not enough that Youtube has ads playing on every video before it plays, but then the video has all sorts of sponsers and then you're asked to support a Patreon. It's as bad as watching standard television now.

[shoopy]

People have a right to do that if they want.

It's the ones that give them money that you should worry about.

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Messaggio originale di ardiel:

People have a right to do that if they want.

It's the ones that give them money that you should worry about.

False idiology...

[shoopy]

Messaggio originale di Nkz waH.Axs kxi tr ii.U tx xn.tN:

Messaggio originale di ardiel:

People have a right to do that if they want.

It's the ones that give them money that you should worry about.

False idiology...

What?

[Lusus Symphonia]

Messaggio originale di ardiel:

People have a right to do that if they want.

No, they really don't and letting them do whatever they want if it affects their life is also considered abuse now that mental capacity is more understood.

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Messaggio originale di ardiel:

Messaggio originale di Nkz waH.Axs kxi tr ii.U tx xn.tN:

False idiology...

What?

Well, depend what topic we're about.. nvm

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Messaggio originale di Nkz waH.Axs kxi tr ii.U tx xn.tN:

Messaggio originale di ardiel:

People have a right to do that if they want.

It's the ones that give them money that you should worry about.

False idiology...

Allow me to rephrase...

People will do what they want.

People will do what they want, even if it's not smart.

[shoopy]

Messaggio originale di Red Monk:

Messaggio originale di ardiel:

People have a right to do that if they want.

No, they really don't and letting them do whatever they want if it affects their life is also considered abuse now that mental capacity is more understood.

Part of freedom is the freedom to ruin yourself.

[76109108007942031]

I don't see the issue, all the good content creators (from my experience) either wait until the end of the video to beg, or just leave the easily ignored link in their descriptions.

Is it annoying logging on to Steam to see people begging? Yes it is, but YouTube ads are also annoying, and no ones going to remove them.

I'm completely against the taxing idea. If someone is lucky enough to make that much money of YouTube then I don't see the point in trying to screw them over.

Not sure where the sociopathic ideals thing is coming from.

[僕の名前 (仮)]

Mostly artists use patreon. But Twitch yeah, there a lot of people who beg for money for just playing game. I wouldnt care if donations weren't in yo face. They make impression that it's the main reason they ever stream, making all dirty tricks to encourage more people to donate, while making viewer's expierence worse. All the annoying animated and poorly designed text, interrupting gameplay to thank for donation, boasting about how much money they got, it ruins spirit of streaming.

Now everyone think the first thing they should do when streaming first time, is to install donation plugin.

At least with patreon they deserve money, making art is much harder than playing CSGO or Dota 2, and they dont annoy people about donating in broadcast, it's always link outside of video and it dont show money bar. They often do rewards for people who donated (comission art, etc)