Markus Kruber 2017 年 4 月 10 日 上午 3:45
Why can't we all work together and focus on Space?
(This is not a thread about politics so please keep that out of here)

Why aren't all the great countries in the world not focusing on Space? There is so much to explore there, so much to find and so much room! Why does there always have to be a conflict with great nations while they could all work together and look at the future! The future of mankind is Space, nothing else! Once there every single nation can decide its own path but thats where the future lies, not here on this small planet!

So whats the problem? Why waste so much time, money and energy with meaningless conflicts that only hurt everyone, including themselves while they can just look up to the sky and see our real destination!
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Danksama 2017 年 4 月 10 日 上午 8:27 
引用自 LOCK3DANDLOAD3D
That's wishful thinking. There are far too many roadblocks and limitations even if everyone got "together." I would even go so far as to say that this would slow down progress. Humanity strives when competing, and warfare is the reason for a lot of humanity's technological advances; an ugly truth but still a truth nonetheless.

And you're right, but we can't get into a war anymore, in the past we didn't had nuclear weapons and now we do, a new war would end dramaticly for the world as we know it, thats a fact! So instead of waiting for that to happen we have to be a step in advance and do everything we can to avoid it, best way would be in my opinion a new joint space program, just like between the USA and the Soviets back in 1975 but now with more nations involved and with another goal, Space survival and exploration!
The great powers of the world can still fight wars, things just have to be done in different ways. We see it happening in Eastern Europe and the Middle East today.
Shaii 2017 年 4 月 10 日 上午 8:29 
引用自 LOCK3DANDLOAD3D
That's wishful thinking. There are far too many roadblocks and limitations even if everyone got "together." I would even go so far as to say that this would slow down progress. Humanity strives when competing, and warfare is the reason for a lot of humanity's technological advances; an ugly truth but still a truth nonetheless.

And you're right, but we can't get into a war anymore, in the past we didn't had nuclear weapons and now we do, a new war would end dramaticly for the world as we know it, thats a fact! So instead of waiting for that to happen we have to be a step in advance and do everything we can to avoid it, best way would be in my opinion a new joint space program, just like between the USA and the Soviets back in 1975 but now with more nations involved and with another goal, Space survival and exploration!
Well, perhaps in the future when we've reached stability; economically and socially. Until then, we'll just have to see what the future has in store for us.
Markus Kruber 2017 年 4 月 10 日 上午 8:30 
引用自 Danksama
引用自 LOCK3DANDLOAD3D

And you're right, but we can't get into a war anymore, in the past we didn't had nuclear weapons and now we do, a new war would end dramaticly for the world as we know it, thats a fact! So instead of waiting for that to happen we have to be a step in advance and do everything we can to avoid it, best way would be in my opinion a new joint space program, just like between the USA and the Soviets back in 1975 but now with more nations involved and with another goal, Space survival and exploration!
The great powers of the world can still fight wars, things just have to be done in different ways. We see it happening in Eastern Europe and the Middle East today.

Now this is actualy naive to think honestly, that it will only contain to certain regions, you have no idea how fast it can escalate to something much bigger, it only takes 1 miss calculation! Let me explain, great nations are now already bluffing to one and other of what they will do when this or that happens, sooner or later 1 have to follow their word on it or they just lost all creditbility, that's the danger we have right now as we speak! So don't underestimate the danger of what is already happening and how fast that can go out of hand!
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E3kHatena 2017 年 4 月 10 日 上午 8:33 
The big thing is that our nearest clearly inhabitable planets would take years and years to get to at the speed of light. Say we did have something that could move at the speed of light. You would still need to pack several years' worth of food, water, toiletries, and entertainment materials (films, board games, magazines, things to fight off "cabin fever") for each person on the ship. With that in mind, our fastest shuttles are nowhere near the speed of light, it takes 17,500 mph to just stay in orbit around the earth, so let's figure 20,000 mph. Light moves at 671,000,000 miles an hour, which means that for every light year, it'd take our shuttle ~33,550 years to span that same distance, and simply put, we don't have The Axiom.[pixar.wikia.com]
Markus Kruber 2017 年 4 月 10 日 上午 8:37 
@E3kHatena

That's why all the great nations need to work together and not try to all find solutions to these problems solo. Sure it might take a long time, does that really matter as long as they are all working on a project? They will be busy and defititly find some solutions and come with great ideas for sure so that will never be a waste, as long as they do that they will respect each other, at least a lot more than they do now :)
Autistic Whales 2017 年 4 月 10 日 上午 8:40 
引用自 LOCK3DANDLOAD3D
Maybe because we dont really get anything from it, we have bigger issues and hell we havent even explored the ocean yet...

Bigger issues than the Cold War and nuclear's arm race? Don't think so, and all the issues we have now are created by ourselves and for what? All these conflicts doesn't gain us anything!

And in once we're in Space we do gain a lot! Then we know how to survive there and how to explore it, and onc we're in Space coporations will focus on making money in Space as well, think about mining asteroids! Also think of coporations specialized in discorvery of planets, selling their locations, stuff like that, oh man there would be so much work to do up there that's good for everyone, they just need to work together to make it happen, they can do it!

Here is a video of the handshake between the USA and Soviets back in 1975 ->

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOxNuie179Q

So don't tell me there is nothing to gain from working together, there is! And people will start to respect each other more so there's no need for conflict!
Going into space doesnt cause world peace...
HLCinSC 2017 年 4 月 10 日 上午 8:43 
Also, I think it boils down that we are still often a selfish species not only to nature and animals but to each other as well.

A global mindset cannot be achieved in the current state of affairs. As long as we disagree on so many major (and sadly minor) things it is virtually impossible. It will be many generations before we will come close to anything like that barring some kind of disaster, aliens, or revelation.
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Markus Kruber 2017 年 4 月 10 日 上午 9:08 
Going into space doesnt cause world peace...

Working together does help!

And I think Space is THE project they need to focus on because our future is there, not here, there, there will be enough stuff to find for everybody, and when we find other civilizations they may very well be our enemy, then we need each other more than ever, there's no reason to fight War with ourselves, we need to stop that nonsense and aim for what really matters!
Commander Makara 2017 年 4 月 10 日 上午 11:01 
引用自 Injector
The earth is flat and thats a fact!
Don't be absurd.

The earth is not flat.

Any claims otherwise are based on poor understanding and inaccuracy.

That the earth is a roughly oblate 3-spheroid is supported by every test of every prediction todate including clear photographic evidence and basic mathematic principles.

If you accept that 1 + 1 = 2 then the earth cannot be flat.
Danksama 2017 年 4 月 10 日 上午 11:03 
引用自 Commander Makara
引用自 Injector
The earth is flat and thats a fact!
Don't be absurd.

The earth is not flat.

Any claims otherwise are based on poor understanding and inaccuracy.

That the earth is a roughly oblate 3-spheroid is supported by every test of every prediction todate including clear photographic evidence and basic mathematic principles.

If you accept that 1 + 1 = 2 then the earth cannot be flat.
Yeah, I don't understand how there can be serious flat-earthers out there. Contrary to popular belief, there were plenty of people back in the day who were fully aware that the Earth was not flat so it makes no sense for people now when we can verify it more easily to believe that it is.
jconsort 2017 年 4 月 10 日 上午 11:14 
Work together is against human nature. Work implies sacrifice, many want their pleasures and comforts NOW and do not give a damn about a "wonderful future in space."

And do we have the right to force those who are happy now to sacrifice for some future they may never see?
tmwfte 2017 年 4 月 10 日 上午 11:24 
Depending on speed and perspective, the Earth is both flat and an oblate spheroid, at the same time.
Markus Kruber 2017 年 4 月 11 日 上午 11:09 
NASA will hold a Major Press Conference 13 April -> NASA Oceans Beyond Earth News Conference 2:00 p.m. - 3:00 p.m

Source: https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html#public


See, that's why we need to focus on Space TOGETHER!
C4Warr10r 2017 年 4 月 11 日 上午 11:34 
引用自 LOCK3DANDLOAD3D ✅
@C4Warr10r

But isn't that a very good reason to work together trying to solve these huge problems? Now they're spending a ♥♥♥♥ load of money on their militairy and having very smart people inventing better ways to kill people, they really focus on the wrong cause..

No, and no amount of good intentions is going to change that. Firstly, and always most importantly, if the great nations of the world set adise their militaries, they'd be conquered alsmost instantly by other people who want their stuff. Congrats, you just set civilization back 200 years through "enlightened" thinking.

Secondly, none of us are as dumb as all of us. Bending the effort of all great nations directly towards space travel means fewer people focusing on other areas of import that may lead to breakthroughs which make space travel possible. That's before you completely wreck their economies.

The Apollo program was infamous for this. While it did lead to some incredible breakthroughs, most importantly the solid-state semiconductor and the transistor, it utterly failed to exploit them. When the private sector got a hold of those innovations, the world economy exploded, including the computer tech Apollo engineers wnated so badly but couldn't make work. NASA was still using punch-cards and reel-to-reel in 1977, when the Apple II debuted.

An even better example is any command economy in the world. All people, working together, to make a great leap forward, ploughing China, the USSR, and any number of other socialist nations into the stone age. Resource allocation fails because no human is capable of commanding it on such scales.

The free market doesn't have these problems because everyone is in some way involved in making adjustments to resource allocation without even knowing it. The price of a candy bar goes up ten cents in response to a cocoa shortage. People buy fewer cand y bars, sending a signal to the manufacturer that they need to get the price down. They contact genetic engineers at Texas Agriculture and Mechanic, or Monsanto, or Con-Agra. The researchers develop a more productive and disease-resitant form of cocoa bean in response, prices and production get better, people buy more, everyone is wealthier for it.

This isn't directed entirely at you, lock, but it really pi$$es me off when somebody comes along thinking they know better and completely **** up that beautiful, elegant, system. I see them as enormous, stupid giants trampling everything good in this world with a goofy smile on their face as they are certain they "did good." The results of their efforts speak for themselves. Economies so broken that human beings, ♥♥♥♥ sapiens, the most intelligent species on the planet, struggles to do something as mind-bogglingly easy as grow enough food for itself. And you think this **** will get us to the stars?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! I'm going to go punch a wall or something. Sorry.
captain gimmick 2017 年 4 月 11 日 上午 11:35 
You see, working on space tech would be competent, but it wouldnt make money, and we cant have that now can we?
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