safe way to make ground/minced beef into rare style burgers?

[Rumi]

whenever you grind/mince beef, the bacteria on the surface of the meat that can't penetrate the muscle and go into the centre (which is why beef can be eaten rare style) mixes in with the clean inside muscle, so it's pretty much contaminated and cooking it rare makes it practically unsafe, depending on how much luck god bestows upon you.

what if you sear the meat before you grind it down though? like cook it for a few second untill the surface is clean of any bacteria, so preferebly on a very high heat so it doesn't cook the insides, then put it into the grinder? that should solve the issue of any uncleanness, and you can touch the meat without having to worry about cross contamination from any source. from there, you can shape your burgers however you want and cook them as rare as you fancy, without the unneeded risk. and if you want, you can cut off the seared layer of beef, before grinding it down too.

your thoughts?

[Rumi]

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only the surface of beef steak is raw, bacteria cannot penetrate the inside muscle of a beef steak and it's perfectly acceptable to eat it rare/medium rare

but rare is the correct term

As i posted the internal temp has to be 160 °F (71.1 °C) to be safe to consume.
I used to work as a cook for applebees back in the day so i know what i'm talking about.

i already know this stuff, i'm just talking about the method of making minced meat not be so dangerous

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As i posted the internal temp has to be 160 °F (71.1 °C) to be safe to consume.
I used to work as a cook for applebees back in the day so i know what i'm talking about.

i already know this stuff, i'm just talking about the method of making minced meat not be so dangerous

The only way is to cook it properly. No other way to make it safe.

[Rumi]

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i already know this stuff, i'm just talking about the method of making minced meat not be so dangerous

The only way is to cook it properly. No other way to make it safe.

ok

[Zekiran]

^^ A rare steak is one thing, but burger/ground is absolutely not okay to be even remotely red.


also lol the way that 'uncommon' comment went over the op's head... ;)

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The only way is to cook it properly. No other way to make it safe.

ok

If you want to protect your family and your self from food bourne bacteria then do them a favor and cook it properly. Cause if not e-coli and anything else will wreak havoc on your body and you will be wishing you never did that.

[Rumi]

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ok

If you want to protect your family and your self from food bourne bacteria then do them a favor and cook it properly. Cause if not e-coli and anything else will wreak havoc on your body and you will be wishing you never did that.

yes yes i already know all this

i'm just saying, you can eat steaks rare style, so just cook a steak rare, then cut off the seared parts and mince it and it would be good, surely? then you can carry on and cook the burger however you want to.

[Zekiran]

If you *grind* it, it *will be dangerous*. The air hitting the ground parts is what risk there is, and the more of that, under any circumstance, will be more dangerous to eat raw/rare.

That's the difference, whether you've cooked part of it or not, if you grind up bits that have not been cooked, they will still risk contamination. And from what I'm trying to read, you're talking about 'removing the cooked part and grinding the inside'?

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If you want to protect your family and your self from food bourne bacteria then do them a favor and cook it properly. Cause if not e-coli and anything else will wreak havoc on your body and you will be wishing you never did that.

yes yes i already know all this

i'm just saying, you can eat steaks rare style, so just cook a steak rare, then cut off the seared parts and mince it and it would be good, surely? then you can carry on and cook the burger however you want to.

Since you don't want to take any ones advice why even bother asking then. If you don't believe us then call a professional and ask them maybe you will believe them.
But do what you want to do if people get sick or die i hope it grinds your conscience till the day you die that you put others lives in danger cause you didn't do proper food handling and cooking. I also hope if they do become sick that they sue you for making them sick.

[Zekiran]

Trust me, I've had e-coli.

You do NOT want it. You do not want to endanger anyone with that. It's *terrible*. I got lucky when I finally decided to go to the dr, because if I'd waited any longer I probably wouldn't be here now.

It's a serious health risk.

Do not bother with it. Thoroughly cook burger.

[Rumi]

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If you *grind* it, it *will be dangerous*. The air hitting the ground parts is what risk there is, and the more of that, under any circumstance, will be more dangerous to eat raw/rare.

That's the difference, whether you've cooked part of it or not, if you grind up bits that have not been cooked, they will still risk contamination. And from what I'm trying to read, you're talking about 'removing the cooked part and grinding the inside'?

ah, i see now. thanks.

[Rumi]

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Trust me, I've had e-coli.

You do NOT want it. You do not want to endanger anyone with that. It's *terrible*. I got lucky when I finally decided to go to the dr, because if I'd waited any longer I probably wouldn't be here now.

It's a serious health risk.

Do not bother with it. Thoroughly cook burger.

the problem is that i see tons of videos on cooking where they have the burger medium rare, and have even had such a burger served to me.

it's good that you survived it.

[Rumi]

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yes yes i already know all this

i'm just saying, you can eat steaks rare style, so just cook a steak rare, then cut off the seared parts and mince it and it would be good, surely? then you can carry on and cook the burger however you want to.

Since you don't want to take any ones advice why even bother asking then. If you don't believe us then call a professional and ask them maybe you will believe them.
But do what you want to do if people get sick or die i hope it grinds your conscience till the day you die that you put others lives in danger cause you didn't do proper food handling and cooking. I also hope if they do become sick that they sue you for making them sick.

dude i'm not doing anything i'm just asking for the flaws in the theory, i already know the temperatures, i'm just thought experimenting.

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Since you don't want to take any ones advice why even bother asking then. If you don't believe us then call a professional and ask them maybe you will believe them.
But do what you want to do if people get sick or die i hope it grinds your conscience till the day you die that you put others lives in danger cause you didn't do proper food handling and cooking. I also hope if they do become sick that they sue you for making them sick.

dude i'm not doing anything i'm just asking for the flaws in the theory, i already know the temperatures, i'm just thought experimenting.

It's ok to visualize but if you start doing stuff you have no idea about cause you watched a youtube video your going to put alot of people in danger. I suggest you take a few classes on cooking. Not saying your a bad cook but it will help you more on how to be safe and how to do stuff the right way and in the long run make you a better cook then you was. Like i said i used to work for applebees and their saftey standards was very high. They paid for my classes but i came out a better cook after that.

[Rumi]

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dude i'm not doing anything i'm just asking for the flaws in the theory, i already know the temperatures, i'm just thought experimenting.

It's ok to visualize but if you start doing stuff you have no idea about cause you watched a youtube video your going to put alot of people in danger. I suggest you take a few classes on cooking. Not saying your a bad cook but it will help you more on how to be safe and how to do stuff the right way and in the long run make you a better cook then you was. Like i said i used to work for applebees and their saftey standards was very high. They paid for my classes but i came out a better cook after that.

learn to read, i didn't see a video about the method in the original post, i thought of it myself.

i only saw videos of people cooking burgers rare, and thought that it was unsafe, too.

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SnakeFist の投稿を引用：

It's ok to visualize but if you start doing stuff you have no idea about cause you watched a youtube video your going to put alot of people in danger. I suggest you take a few classes on cooking. Not saying your a bad cook but it will help you more on how to be safe and how to do stuff the right way and in the long run make you a better cook then you was. Like i said i used to work for applebees and their saftey standards was very high. They paid for my classes but i came out a better cook after that.

learn to read, i didn't see a video about the method in the original post, i thought of it myself.

i only saw videos of people cooking burgers rare, and thought that it was unsafe, too.

Now your just being rude. Do what you cause your going to do it anyway. I was being nice and offering help but your to thick headed to understand food safety. I'm done with you. I'm glad i don't have to eat any of the garbage you tried to cook.
Never pays to be nice to people.