The Rosenhan Experiment.

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We have to our disposition the "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders" series of books that will soon categorize everyone with a mental illness, but yet, no doctors, psychiatrists, et cetera in medical science can really, with any doubt, diagnose conditions without referring to the patient's experience. Thus, if a pseudopatient fake a condition, there is nothing to the analysts, doctors, or psychiatrists that can really prove or disprove "distinguish" the diagnosis of sanity, or insanity of the patient or to the pseudopatient (...).

What do you think about this experiment?

......................"On being sane in insane places."

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yea, but the question is not really about if we can recognize someone faking symptoms but if the medical science can with any doubt distinguish abnormality in psychology which I doubt..!

Can a schizophrenic end-up sane or will indefinitely be in remission? As we can see in : "On being sane in insane places."

[Alpha]

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yea, but the question is not really about if we can recognize someone faking symptoms but if the medical science can with any doubt diagnose abnormality in psychology which I doubt..!

Can a schizophrenic end-up sane or will indefinitely be in remission? As we can see in : "On being sane in insane places."

They can learn to handle it under certain circumstances, and perhaps ignore it, but things can trigger it and they lose control. Have you seen the movie A Beautiful Mind about the mathematician John Nash?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS_d0Ayjw4o

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Sorry but this is Hollywood stuff... I don't get into this much.. Great movie though, I guess..!

Take a look here and go to 0:38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnHvK6lJOO8

[Alpha]

That's a true story. This is the real person John Nash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y97Ywl7RtUw

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This is not what i meant, did you see the new movie Fantastic Beasts? The actor Eddie Redmayne is acting autism like hollywood think it is or want it to be like this.. but this is a misconception of autism behavior or like john nash with his schizophrenic behavior..!

[Alpha]

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This is not what i meant, did you see the new movie Fantastic Beasts? The actor Eddie Redmayne is acting autism like hollywood think it is or want it to be like this.. but this is a misconception of autism behavior or like john nash with the schizophrenic behavior..!

I suggest you watch the video I posted, as I think you will find it interesting, and a little into it you will see the topic of your discussion is part of it.

[Kris]

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If someone is truly insane, then how can the answers they give to questions be taken seriously? Perhaps a voice in their head is telling them how to answer the questions. At the other end of the spectrum some people are very good at acting normal also. I was always very good at convincing the teacher I understood the lesson, even when I didn't. I guess it's my own fault I struggled at times.

Fun fact, the voices "insane" people hear, do not come from inside the head. Auditory hallucinations come from outside. But I can still see what you mean! Many mentally ill people don't want to be labeled as such as well, so psychiatrists need to watch for that.

[Beaker]

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yea, but the question is not really about if we can recognize someone faking symptoms but if the medical science can with any doubt distinguish abnormality in psychology which I doubt..!

Can a schizophrenic end-up sane or will indefinitely be in remission? As we can see in : "On being sane in insane places."

Thanks to Technology, It's making it harder both parties to agree, the Internet is giving people an elementary scope on certain diseases/illnesses and most people jump to the gun and say "I think I have that" when in fact there's a high probability they don't.

Then it gets to the point that they keep telling themselves something is wrong with them and start adopting the symptoms, side effects, etc.

The only good thing from having easy accesible medical information at our hands, is that you can get a glimpse or a direction, but like I said. Most people jump into conclusion

It's better to go actually go see a proffesional before seeing the Internet, even more so when the 1st thing you tell them...

"Oh by the way, I read about this illness on the internet and I think I have it"

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If someone is truly insane, then how can the answers they give to questions be taken seriously? Perhaps a voice in their head is telling them how to answer the questions. At the other end of the spectrum some people are very good at acting normal also. I was always very good at convincing the teacher I understood the lesson, even when I didn't. I guess it's my own fault I struggled at times.

Fun fact, the voices "insane" people hear, do not come from inside the head. Auditory hallucinations come from outside. But I can still see what you mean! Many mentally ill people don't want to be labeled as such as well, so psychiatrists need to watch for that.

For the psychiatrists it make no difference if the voices come from outside or inside the head nor if the voices come from demons asking to do bad thing or voices that will encourage that person like good voices.. Even the inside voices that we all have at some point are considered as pathologic if you are diagnosed schizophrenic before..

So in the end for a schizophrenic, even if he's acting normally or abnormally, all is due to its mental conditions which means that there is no remission or diagnostic discharge possible for them, all their behavior are illness..! According to Rosenhan.!

If an autistic person like asperger is diagnosed after 18 years old, he will automatically be labeled as schizophrene. Not sure if they have changed this now with the new popularization of autism of nowadays but it was like that..!

[Alpha]

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If someone is truly insane, then how can the answers they give to questions be taken seriously? Perhaps a voice in their head is telling them how to answer the questions. At the other end of the spectrum some people are very good at acting normal also. I was always very good at convincing the teacher I understood the lesson, even when I didn't. I guess it's my own fault I struggled at times.

Fun fact, the voices "insane" people hear, do not come from inside the head. Auditory hallucinations come from outside. But I can still see what you mean! Many mentally ill people don't want to be labeled as such as well, so psychiatrists need to watch for that.

Is it really a fun "fact"? Maybe by some diagostic criteria designed by someone who never experienced either?

[Kris]

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Is it really a fun "fact"? Maybe by some diagostic criteria designed by someone who never experienced either?

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For the psychiatrists it make no difference if the voices come from outside or inside the head nor if the voices come from demons asking to do bad thing or voices that will encourage that person like good voices.. Even the inside voices that we all have at some point are considered as pathologic if you are diagnosed schizophrenic before..

Yes it is actually a fact. Many people feigning mental illness will say the voices "in their head". That's a common misconception, and a good psychiatrist will not diagnose hallucinations if you say that. If they're coming from inside the head, they are considered simply thoughts. Spontaneous thoughts that are immensly difficult to control? Maybe. But it is not, by definition, a hallucination. An auditory hallucination is a false perception of sound that comes from the outside world. This is one way they catch many faking the symptoms.

Also there are plenty of psychologists on the "team" with mental illness, including psychosis. Look into Kay Redfield Jamison. One of the most famous clinical psychologists out there. She has experienced hallucinations herself, as a person with Bipolar I with psychosis. So these aren't guidelines simply set by one person who has never experienced anything of the sort.

[WERElektro]

Wouldn't feeling the need to fake a mental disorder be an actual mental disorder of it's own?

[WERElektro]

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Wouldn't feeling the need to fake a mental disorder be an actual mental disorder of it's own?

No, quit bloating the DSM with useless catagorizations.

.... calm your tits.

[Kris]

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Wouldn't feeling the need to fake a mental disorder be an actual mental disorder of it's own?

They could benefit from it. Not sure where you're from (if you're not from here), or how it works there, but in the US, you can collect disability with a severe illness that interferes with your life to a point where you can barely function. Free money.

[WERElektro]

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Wouldn't feeling the need to fake a mental disorder be an actual mental disorder of it's own?

They could benefit from it. Not sure where you're from (if you're not from here), or how it works there, but in the US, you can collect disability with a severe illness that interferes with your life to a point where you can barely function. Free money.

Yes I understand what you mean. But before you get money from the state for being unable to work, various tests are to be made.... Of course these tests are to find out wether the subject is seriously handicapped or just faking it. Unfortunately I know that, despite the testing, the results are not always fair. People with "minor" disorders get into the early retirment program too.... I won't name any of these disorders - but there are quite a few mental disorders that can be treated quite well with medication.
It's a very ... controverse subject.