Some Gamers I dont understand

[Tux]

They concern themselves with pretty much everything that is not related to the actual game or game play experience.

The community
The developer communications
What 'state' the game is in
developer promises
How the game charges

NONE of that has to do with the game. Should I remind people No Mans Sky?

its like writing the review of a restaurant and never mentioning anything about the food itself

[Tux]

Originalmente postado por SpíosraCeilteach:

Originalmente postado por Tux:

that is crawling far and wide and doing many logical gymnastics to try and suggest in most cases the community is more important that the game.

I am very surprised that in general posters here do NOT agree with this statement below:

'the best way to determine the quality of the game for your liking is to look at the game itself'

Another example of this might be like this

'how good is that football team?'
'lets take a look at its fan, its coach and the habits of its players'
'should we look to see if they are winning games?'
'no that is crazy talk'

I think you guys need to stop trying to convince me and more time trying to decide if you agree with your own assertion. that assertion being:

'The best way to determine if a game has quality for you is to not look at the game itself'

Of course, it's not my pleasure to convince one of anything, nor do I make such an assertion as claimed.

As I said, some games are defined by their multiplayer experience; and in my own experience, a game's community does affect my enjoyment of it, assuming it is the majority of whom I interact with. It's not very fun at all playing with unpleasant company.

so forgive me but I am not understanding what your objective then is. it seems two fold

1. dont explictly agree with me on my assertion even though to the average person it would appear to be an easy thing to do
2. describe a set of circumstance and conditions of which if all match it might be possible in such a situation to have the community be more important that the game.

for the love of god would someone throw me a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bone here and admit that looking at the game is not being ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ unreasonable for ♥♥♥♥ sake!

The game is first.. sorry but it is, yes a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ community can ruin a game but if your game is never good the community is never going to matter. not sure why such a view is such a radical idea

[Tux]

Originalmente postado por CSience of Stupid:

Originalmente postado por SpíosraCeilteach:

Of course, it's not my pleasure to convince one of anything, nor do I make such an assertion as claimed.

As I said, some games are defined by their multiplayer experience; and in my own experience, a game's community does affect my enjoyment of it, assuming it is the majority of whom I interact with. It's not very fun at all playing with unpleasant company.

Once upon a Time, Games become more influent, changing, while they were back in the days some kind of constant.

Espacially Computergames are trying to create a surrounding where evryone can have fun, stickin to the "Core"-Game or not, the trend shows. It has become more ..chaotic.

here is the thing.

a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ game is not going to make REGARDLESS of the community.

The quality of the game comes first and the community does not change the code. and please for the love of ♥♥♥♥ nobody please explain some unusual case in which community does change code by locking serveral logic points into a strange tree ♥♥♥♥ me lets talk about the average here ♥♥♥♥

[Alaskan Catfish Hike]

How is this thread still going?

[Tux]

Originalmente postado por Tessa K. Pegram:

How is this thread still going?

Because people think the idea of looking at the game to best determine its quality is accross the board crazy talk

[Spíosra]

Originalmente postado por Tux:

so forgive me but I am not understanding what your objective then is. it seems two fold

1. dont explictly agree with me on my assertion even though to the average person it would appear to be an easy thing to do
2. describe a set of circumstance and conditions of which if all match it might be possible in such a situation to have the community be more important that the game.

for the love of god would someone throw me a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bone here and admit that looking at the game is not being ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ unreasonable for ♥♥♥♥ sake!

The game is first.. sorry but it is, yes a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ community can ruin a game but if your game is never good the community is never going to matter. not sure why such a view is such a radical idea

I think the majority might more reasonably agree that a game's community might be a contributing factor to one's overall enjoyment of it. This is of course the view I have been sharing. As I said before, it obviously wouldn't make sense to evaluate a game's community in terms of how it may affect one's experience before examining the actual gameplay elements.

I believe one is simply contentious.

[Tux]

Originalmente postado por SpíosraCeilteach:

Originalmente postado por Tux:

so forgive me but I am not understanding what your objective then is. it seems two fold

1. dont explictly agree with me on my assertion even though to the average person it would appear to be an easy thing to do
2. describe a set of circumstance and conditions of which if all match it might be possible in such a situation to have the community be more important that the game.

for the love of god would someone throw me a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bone here and admit that looking at the game is not being ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ unreasonable for ♥♥♥♥ sake!

The game is first.. sorry but it is, yes a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ community can ruin a game but if your game is never good the community is never going to matter. not sure why such a view is such a radical idea

I think the majority might more reasonably agree that a game's community might be a contributing factor to one's overall enjoyment of it. This is of course the view I have been sharing. As I said before, it obviously wouldn't make sense to evaluate a game's community in terms of how it may affect one's experience before examining the actual gameplay elements.

I believe one is simply contentious.

its as if you didnt read a single word I wrote and just repeated yourself.

holy ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ blaz

[Alpha]

Personally game community doesn't matter much to me as I play solo and just tune out if there are issues such as that. The only time it bothers me is if it directly affects me, like people using "hacks". I don't even mind so much the players who in multiplayer games randomly attack, because I can have fun fighting back or at least learn from combat experience a little and get better or just carry on doing my peaceful pve activities hehe.

[Tux]

Originalmente postado por Paradox:

Personally game community doesn't matter much to me as I play solo and just tune out if there are issues such as that. The only time it bothers me is if it directly affects me, like people using "hacks". I don't even mind so much the players who in multiplayer games randomly attack, because I can have fun fighting back or at least learn from combat experience a little and get better or just carry on doing my peaceful pve activities hehe.

guys....

there is a huge difference between

'does affect in some cases'

and

'almost always more important than the game itself.

just sayin folks.

With that said, in all cases the game still becomes the most important part. if your community is awesome, best in the world, but the game is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ its not going to much matter

[Alpha]

Originalmente postado por Tux:

Originalmente postado por Paradox:

Personally game community doesn't matter much to me as I play solo and just tune out if there are issues such as that. The only time it bothers me is if it directly affects me, like people using "hacks". I don't even mind so much the players who in multiplayer games randomly attack, because I can have fun fighting back or at least learn from combat experience a little and get better or just carry on doing my peaceful pve activities hehe.

guys....

there is a huge difference between

'does affect in some cases'

and

'almost always more important than the game itself.

just sayin folks.

With that said, in all cases the game still becomes the most important part. if your community is awesome, best in the world, but the game is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ its not going to much matter

A lot of people won't bother going anywhere near games with a notorious negative community, and I don't really blame them. Personally it doesn't bother me. It's easy enough to just tune them out.

[Tux]

Originalmente postado por Paradox:

Originalmente postado por Tux:

guys....

there is a huge difference between

'does affect in some cases'

and

'almost always more important than the game itself.

just sayin folks.

With that said, in all cases the game still becomes the most important part. if your community is awesome, best in the world, but the game is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ its not going to much matter

A lot of people won't bother going anywhere near games with a notorious negative community, and I don't really blame them. Personally it doesn't bother me. It's easy enough to just tune them out.

which of course doesnt affect what I have been saying for days now at all not one bit.

Thus far everyones (other than me) offical position is as follows

'its unreasonable to look at the game as the best indicator of its quality for a person'

in fact it borderline is

'its unreasonable to look at the game at all for any indicator of the games quality'

[Alpha]

Say you are playing some sport, and the opponent kicks you every time the referee isn't looking. The game is ok, but no matter who you play, they are always kicking you when the referee isn't looking. You come to some conclusion that you don't like the game, because the other players are jerks.

[Spíosra]

Originalmente postado por Tux:

its as if you didnt read a single word I wrote and just repeated yourself.

holy ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ blaz

I'm aware of what was written. I reasserted my previous points.

[Tux]

Originalmente postado por Paradox:

Say you are playing some sport, and the opponent kicks you every time the referee isn't looking. The game is ok, but no matter who you play, they are always kicking you when the referee isn't looking. You come to some conclusion that you don't like the game, because the other players are jerks.

yes I understand you are taking the position that its unreasonable to look at the game at all for any indicator of the game quality.

I dont agree with your assetion and I think a hypotethical example of something that happens sometimes or might happen is (at least for me) not enough to justfy the assetion you are making that its unreasonable to look at the game at all for any indicator of the game quality.
I think it is reasonable to do so, I think other factors can play a part but I think its reasonable to look at the game

[Tux]

Originalmente postado por SpíosraCeilteach:

Originalmente postado por Tux:

its as if you didnt read a single word I wrote and just repeated yourself.

holy ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ blaz

I'm aware of what was written. I did indeed repeat myself. Forgive me if I misunderstand what is being said.

not once have you or anyone else said

'I dont agree with the assertion that its unreasonable to look at the game for an idicator of its quality'

so to be frank until you guys address that I am under the assumption that you think its unreasonable to look at the game as an indicator of its quality. I also think you feel that this is more a possition that its true for most games

[Alpha]

Originalmente postado por Tux:

Originalmente postado por Paradox:

Say you are playing some sport, and the opponent kicks you every time the referee isn't looking. The game is ok, but no matter who you play, they are always kicking you when the referee isn't looking. You come to some conclusion that you don't like the game, because the other players are jerks.

yes I understand you are taking the position that its unreasonable to look at the game at all for any indicator of the game quality.

Wrong. But in some games the community practically is the game. It's all about the other players, and if they are jerks then the game sucks, for some people at least.