I really hate modern day video games

[Val]

they focus too much on VR, microtransactions, dumbed down gameplay or some other bs.I mostly play indie video games or ones created by smaller companies these days.

[Tux]

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I just think to advertise that one section of gaming is complex they really need more than one title as an example.

Stradegy:
RimWorld is very complex
Prison Architect is complex
Planet base
Factorio is very complex


that is four I can think of off the top of my head without even being into the genre.

On space genre and 'surival' genre I can make a list longer than what steam will allow me to and pretty much 100% of them are all more complex then the vast majority of AAA titles.


I wouldnt want to be the person who says 'AAA are more complex' all the while in their statement they are thinking of 1 maybe 3 games.

Calling those "strategy" games is like calling a mobile game a true "game". Technechly, according to definition, almost all games are "strategy" and "RPG" games, but if you were to call a game such as Ark strategy because, there is stratagizing in it, or call Dota 2 or something a RPG game because you play a role in it people would laugh you out.

POINT 1: Those 4 games I listed are absolutly stradegy games and they are absolutly deep, they are not WAR stradegy games which is what you are trying to say and not doing a good job of it.

POINT 2: The ENTIRE AAA Market at this point regarding complexity appears to be boiled down by your own arguments to fewer games then I have fingers on my hand. making the core statement ridiculous.

can you list 10 'complex' AAA titles that have come out in the past 3 years? because I can sure as ♥♥♥♥ list more than 10 in 3 years in the indie market that are rather complex.

[ChaffyExpert]

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Calling those "strategy" games is like calling a mobile game a true "game". Technechly, according to definition, almost all games are "strategy" and "RPG" games, but if you were to call a game such as Ark strategy because, there is stratagizing in it, or call Dota 2 or something a RPG game because you play a role in it people would laugh you out.

POINT 1: Those 4 games I listed are absolutly stradegy games and they are absolutly deep, they are not WAR stradegy games which is what you are trying to say and not doing a good job of it.

POINT 2: The ENTIRE AAA Market at this point regarding complexity appears to be boiled down by your own arguments to fewer games then I have fingers on my hand. making the core statement ridiculous

POINT 3: if you go back and read carefully and compartmentalize what I said the ONLY games I am callling stradegy is:
RimWorld is very complex
Prison Architect is complex
Planet base
Factorio is very complex
NOT survial games.

come on use your advance skills of complexity here to ♥♥♥♥♥♥ your understanding on this

being a complex game does not make it strategy, while some of those could legit be put in the strategy genre (although, for some, i think Puzzle genre is more fitting)

1: That is what the "puzzle" genre is for. some could legit be strategy games.

2: I only listed strategy games I KNOW OF, if i looked through what steam has for strategy games, with good reviews, (considered good) that are not indie, i am sure i would find a ton more which are also complex.

3: What? i didn't say that there were more indie games that are strategy games.

[Tux]

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POINT 1: Those 4 games I listed are absolutly stradegy games and they are absolutly deep, they are not WAR stradegy games which is what you are trying to say and not doing a good job of it.

POINT 2: The ENTIRE AAA Market at this point regarding complexity appears to be boiled down by your own arguments to fewer games then I have fingers on my hand. making the core statement ridiculous

POINT 3: if you go back and read carefully and compartmentalize what I said the ONLY games I am callling stradegy is:
RimWorld is very complex
Prison Architect is complex
Planet base
Factorio is very complex
NOT survial games.

come on use your advance skills of complexity here to ♥♥♥♥♥♥ your understanding on this

being a complex game does not make it strategy, while some of those could legit be put in the strategy genre (although, for some, i think Puzzle genre is more fitting)

1: That is what the "puzzle" genre is for. some could legit be strategy games.

2: I only listed strategy games I KNOW OF, if i looked through what steam has for strategy games, with good reviews, (considered good) that are not indie, i am sure i would find a ton more which are also complex.

3: What? i didn't say that there were more indie games that are strategy games.

1. but YOU are the one who first used the term 'complex' are you not? or at least I am in response mode to someone else saying 'AAA titles are more complex. How did all of the sudden this conversation desperately get changed from complex to strategy?


2. I think you should just stop talking to me, I was originally responding to the claim that AAA titles are more complex. I dont know what the ♥♥♥♥ you are going on about regarding everything in the equation having to be 'strategy'

3. rolling back to my original assertion with additions

'indies games across the board are almost always more complex and in depth then AAA titles, that is in ever genre, there are a few limited exceptions but not many, more over, I challenge anyone to list 10 'complex' titles of any genre in the AAA market that has come out within a 3 year time frame

also...(now I have to think for both you and I)
what you are trying to say is WAR STRADEGY...instead of just stradegy.
facepalm

[ChaffyExpert]

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being a complex game does not make it strategy, while some of those could legit be put in the strategy genre (although, for some, i think Puzzle genre is more fitting)

1: That is what the "puzzle" genre is for. some could legit be strategy games.

2: I only listed strategy games I KNOW OF, if i looked through what steam has for strategy games, with good reviews, (considered good) that are not indie, i am sure i would find a ton more which are also complex.

3: What? i didn't say that there were more indie games that are strategy games.

1. but YOU are the one who first used the term 'complex' are you not? or at least I am in response mode to someone else saying 'AAA titles are more complex. How did all of the sudden this conversation desperately get changed from complex to strategy?


2. I think you should just stop talking to me, I was originally responding to the claim that AAA titles are more complex. I dont know what the ♥♥♥♥ you are going on about regarding everything in the equation having to be 'strategy'

3. rolling back to my original assertion with additions

'indies games across the board are almost always more complex and in depth then AAA titles, that is in ever genre, there are a few limited exceptions but not many, more over, I challenge anyone to list 10 'complex' titles of any genre in the AAA market that has come out within a 3 year time frame

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I also happen to have art skillz and 3d modelling/animation skillz so maybe I should make a 90s style real time/turn based strategy game or something.There's lots of indie devs making games that is similar to retro console games, but there seems to be non that does RTS/TBS quite on par with the best of the 90s/early 2000s.

i dont agree with that.

RimWorld...I dont think anything as deep or complex ever came close to that in the past and there are other examples

1:Actually, you said complex first.

2: I said AAA games make complex strategy games, something Indie games seem to not do nearly as well overall.

3: Have 10 complex games even been made in the last 3 years? Well anyways, this is an unfair thing to say, considering that the percentage of Indie games is extremly higher than AAA games.

4: so what if your Indie strategy games fit better under "puzzle", if we go by the definition of strategy
a plan of action or policy designed to achieve a major or overall aim:
Then you could say CoD or CS GO is a strategy game.

5: Alot of Indie games turned out to spawn communities so bad it is joked about, alot more so than AAA games ever could.

[Kr.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG7AvDS5ZBk

[Tux]

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1. but YOU are the one who first used the term 'complex' are you not? or at least I am in response mode to someone else saying 'AAA titles are more complex. How did all of the sudden this conversation desperately get changed from complex to strategy?


2. I think you should just stop talking to me, I was originally responding to the claim that AAA titles are more complex. I dont know what the ♥♥♥♥ you are going on about regarding everything in the equation having to be 'strategy'

3. rolling back to my original assertion with additions

'indies games across the board are almost always more complex and in depth then AAA titles, that is in ever genre, there are a few limited exceptions but not many, more over, I challenge anyone to list 10 'complex' titles of any genre in the AAA market that has come out within a 3 year time frame

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i dont agree with that.

RimWorld...I dont think anything as deep or complex ever came close to that in the past and there are other examples

1:Actually, you said complex first.

2: I said AAA games make complex strategy games, something Indie games seem to not do nearly as well overall.

3: Have 10 complex games even been made in the last 3 years? Well anyways, this is an unfair thing to say, considering that the percentage of Indie games is extremly higher than AAA games.

4: so what if your Indie strategy games fit better under "puzzle", if we go by the definition of strategy
a plan of action or policy designed to achieve a major or overall aim:
Then you could say CoD or CS GO is a strategy game.

5: Alot of Indie games turned out to spawn communities so bad it is joked about, alot more so than AAA games ever could.

1. the orginal statement of which you might not have been the person but I can go back and look if you insist on making this confusing was a statement directed to me which said 'I like to play AAA games because they tend to be more complex'.

2. PLEASE READ THIS PART: I am saying that this might be true, I cant say for sure but I do know of some strategy games in the indie market that ARE complex. AND....dont be a moron and confuse 'strategy' with 'WAR strategy' what you are wanting to talk about is 'war strategy' in which case you would be right. speaking just strategy you are not as right.

3. unfair? what is this the AAA market is now the victim and we have to give them a handycap score before playing? that is some grade A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. 10 or ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ not

4. Rimworld is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lightyears away from 'puzzle' and is likely more in depth then Civ 5 so stop talking out of your ass when you clearly havent a remote clue at this point.

5. indie games are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fantastic, light years better then most AAAs. The 'jokes' as you say are created by people who have not a single idea what the hell they are talking about, they literally think Rimworld is a puzzle game and that unity 5 is for students, not a remote clue what they are talking about AND....they get all that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from AAA marketing stradegy

[ArcLight]

"An independent video game (commonly referred to as an indie game) is a video game that is created without the financial support of a publisher. Indie games often focus on innovation and rely on digital distribution."
-found from Google./Wikipedia.

[Tux]

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black desert fits the AAA model exactly to a tee.

because of the success of indies I predicted and even read it was the plan that AAA projects would try to sell themselves to the public as 'indies'.

you have to keep in mind, AAA is 100% purely a marketing term invited by the marketing teams. They can call their formula anything they want and the sheep will follow it.

in short, black desert is not an indie

sorry, but i will probably never buy an indie game, because i usually play strategy, and complex, games.

THIS is what I was responding to.

so you either

A. have the attention span of a fly and dont even recall you saying this
or
B. just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with me

which is it?

the way the sentence structure works is this

'stradegy AND complex games' which implies that indies are not complex.

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1:Actually, you said complex first.

2: I said AAA games make complex strategy games, something Indie games seem to not do nearly as well overall.

3: Have 10 complex games even been made in the last 3 years? Well anyways, this is an unfair thing to say, considering that the percentage of Indie games is extremly higher than AAA games.

4: so what if your Indie strategy games fit better under "puzzle", if we go by the definition of strategy
a plan of action or policy designed to achieve a major or overall aim:
Then you could say CoD or CS GO is a strategy game.

5: Alot of Indie games turned out to spawn communities so bad it is joked about, alot more so than AAA games ever could.

1. the orginal statement of which you might not have been the person but I can go back and look if you insist on making this confusing was a statement directed to me which said 'I like to play AAA games because they tend to be more complex'.

2. PLEASE READ THIS PART: I am saying that this might be true, I cant say for sure but I do know of some strategy games in the indie market that ARE complex. AND....dont be a moron on confused 'strategy' with 'WAR strategy' what you are wanting to talk about is 'war strategy' in which case you would be right. speaking just strategy you are not as right.

3. unfair? what is this the AAA market is now the victim and we have to give them a handycap score before playing? that is some grade A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. 10 or ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ not

4. Rimworld is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lightyears away from 'puzzle' and is likely more in depth then Civ 5 so stop talking out of your ass when you clearly havent a remote clue at this point.

5. indie games are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fantastic, light years better then most AAAs. The 'jokes' as you say are created by people who have not a single idea what the hell they are talking about, they literally think Rimworld is a puzzle game and that unity 5 is for students, not a remote clue what they are talking about AND....they get all that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from AAA marketing stradegy

1: you are wrong, you said complex first, or someone else did, but i sure as hell didn't.

2: some of the games you mentioned are strategy, but it borders on the line between puzzle and strategy.

3: I said it was unfair to say "find 10 AAA good complex releases" because there are much more Indie games than AAA games (in total)

4: I didn't say Rimworld specifically, besides i have not played it, i am assuming based on the description (what most people should do before buying a game i might add). You are making a strawman arguement saying something i never said, and attacking it.

5: Again, i didn't say Rimwold, i am referring to Minecraft, before it was bought out, FnaF, and others, which also include No Man's Sky. Quit putting words in my mouth, and read what i say, not what you think i said.

[rojimboo]

I'm not sure why I was subscribed to this awful parody of two parrots mimicking each other in a shouting contest, but I am.

For everyone's benefit, you two need to first define some terms you keep using.

AAA
indie
strategy game
complex game

Then you can actually have a sensible discussion.

Yeah, let's try that.

[ChaffyExpert]

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sorry, but i will probably never buy an indie game, because i usually play strategy, and complex, games.

THIS is what I was responding to.

so you either

A. have the attention span of a fly and dont even recall you saying this
or
B. just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with me

which is it?

the way the sentence structure works is this

'stradegy AND complex games' which implies that indies are not complex.

C: you assume what i said, despite however far from the turth it is.

I say i will "probably never buy an indie game" because i don't play survival/RPS games, if it was an RPG that would be the exception. by "complex" i meant a complex game which also seems interesting to me.

[ChaffyExpert]

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I'm not sure why I was subscribed to this awful parody of two parrots mimicking each other in a shouting contest, but I am.

For everyone's benefit, you two need to first define some terms you keep using.

AAA
indie
strategy game
complex game

Then you can actually have a sensible discussion.

Yeah, let's try that.

Clearly, you didn't even read anything here, which doesn't surprise me, or you are just an idiot. Currently we are defining "strategy game", and what is a "complex game" and the differance between AAA and Indie is obvious enough it doesn't need further discussion, the only thing would be if we made a mistake in what is a Indie or AAA game, but then a simple correction could be made.

Back to the cave, troll.

[Mossy Snake]

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1. the orginal statement of which you might not have been the person but I can go back and look if you insist on making this confusing was a statement directed to me which said 'I like to play AAA games because they tend to be more complex'.

2. PLEASE READ THIS PART: I am saying that this might be true, I cant say for sure but I do know of some strategy games in the indie market that ARE complex. AND....dont be a moron on confused 'strategy' with 'WAR strategy' what you are wanting to talk about is 'war strategy' in which case you would be right. speaking just strategy you are not as right.

3. unfair? what is this the AAA market is now the victim and we have to give them a handycap score before playing? that is some grade A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. 10 or ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ not

4. Rimworld is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lightyears away from 'puzzle' and is likely more in depth then Civ 5 so stop talking out of your ass when you clearly havent a remote clue at this point.

5. indie games are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fantastic, light years better then most AAAs. The 'jokes' as you say are created by people who have not a single idea what the hell they are talking about, they literally think Rimworld is a puzzle game and that unity 5 is for students, not a remote clue what they are talking about AND....they get all that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from AAA marketing stradegy

1: you are wrong, you said complex first, or someone else did, but i sure as hell didn't.

2: some of the games you mentioned are strategy, but it borders on the line between puzzle and strategy.

3: I said it was unfair to say "find 10 AAA good complex releases" because there are much more Indie games than AAA games (in total)

4: I didn't say Rimworld specifically, besides i have not played it, i am assuming based on the description (what most people should do before buying a game i might add). You are making a strawman arguement saying something i never said, and attacking it.

5: Again, i didn't say Rimwold, i am referring to Minecraft, before it was bought out, FnaF, and others, which also include No Man's Sky. Quit putting words in my mouth, and read what i say, not what you think i said.

I hate to correct you, but No Man's Sky is barely an indie. It got a ton of support from Sony, so I wouldn't count it.

An example of an indie would be games like "Praey for the Gods" or "Rime"

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I'm not sure why I was subscribed to this awful parody of two parrots mimicking each other in a shouting contest, but I am.

For everyone's benefit, you two need to first define some terms you keep using.

AAA
indie
strategy game
complex game

Then you can actually have a sensible discussion.

Yeah, let's try that.

Clearly, you didn't even read anything here, which doesn't surprise me, or you are just an idiot, because currently we are defining "strategy game", and what is a "complex game" and the differance between AAA and Indie is obvious enough it doesn't need further discussion, the only thing would be if we made a mistake in what is a Indie or AAA game, but then a simple correction could be made.

whoa there cowboy

ease up

and define those terms

[Tux]

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1. the orginal statement of which you might not have been the person but I can go back and look if you insist on making this confusing was a statement directed to me which said 'I like to play AAA games because they tend to be more complex'.

2. PLEASE READ THIS PART: I am saying that this might be true, I cant say for sure but I do know of some strategy games in the indie market that ARE complex. AND....dont be a moron on confused 'strategy' with 'WAR strategy' what you are wanting to talk about is 'war strategy' in which case you would be right. speaking just strategy you are not as right.

3. unfair? what is this the AAA market is now the victim and we have to give them a handycap score before playing? that is some grade A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. 10 or ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ not

4. Rimworld is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lightyears away from 'puzzle' and is likely more in depth then Civ 5 so stop talking out of your ass when you clearly havent a remote clue at this point.

5. indie games are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fantastic, light years better then most AAAs. The 'jokes' as you say are created by people who have not a single idea what the hell they are talking about, they literally think Rimworld is a puzzle game and that unity 5 is for students, not a remote clue what they are talking about AND....they get all that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from AAA marketing stradegy

1: you are wrong, you said complex first, or someone else did, but i sure as hell didn't.

2: some of the games you mentioned are strategy, but it borders on the line between puzzle and strategy.

3: I said it was unfair to say "find 10 AAA good complex releases" because there are much more Indie games than AAA games (in total)

4: I didn't say Rimworld specifically, besides i have not played it, i am assuming based on the description (what most people should do before buying a game i might add). You are making a strawman arguement saying something i never said, and attacking it.

5: Again, i didn't say Rimwold, i am referring to Minecraft, before it was bought out, FnaF, and others, which also include No Man's Sky. Quit putting words in my mouth, and read what i say, not what you think i said.

1. yes..someone else did say it before you and it was originally brought up by someone else not me. HOWEVER, read what you wrote very closely 'strategy and complex games' which in the context of your sentence is easy to see the implication is indies are not complex and that assertion by you that you implied is what I am responding to as well.

2. none of the games I listed could be described as puzzle. if so man up and give us a title.

3. its not unfair. what you want is 'oh i know there are more complex indie titles then AAA but how can he ask it so that AAA titles look better I best apply rules' horse crap. AAA loose on this...simple ....as.....that...end...of...story, they dont get a speical snowflake handycap score

4. you also didnt give a title.

5. No Mans Sky is a AAA piece of ♥♥♥♥ game that was sold to the public THINKING it was an indie title. I do not consider that game to be part of the indie community at all whatsoever, they were just pretending to be and the signs for those who know what to look for are all over the map on that game. Minecraft did spark a list of games (which I gave) that are all outstanding titles. would you like that list again?