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i was stating in general, as most if not all ram sticks are sold and supposed to be used in 2's, wasnt even bother with going on technicals off the speed of a single ram stick.
cheaper brands (may run) or ecc ram runs default 2133, standard ddr4 ram is default of 2400.
standard ddr4 runs 2400 default , ecc runs 2133 default, i have seen off brands (off brands are usually low quality and cheap to buy) running 2133.
DDR = Double data rate.
So for one clock cycle, it does 2 actions.
The stock speed of the RAM would be 1066Mhz, which doubled (because DDR), is 2133MT/s.
The stock speed, for DDR4 is 2133Mhz (actually MT/s, but it's ALWAYS mislabled.)
It doesn't matter if it's ECC (buffered or unbiffered), or non-EEC, it's a standardized clockspeed.
Anything above it is technically an overclock.
Just like with tightening timings. Though, I forget what the standard timings are.
as i said, standard ddr4 ram speed is default of 2400, ecc is stated to be standard default 2133.
go look it up, i really dont feel like repeating myself or arguing.
I have had multiple kits from G.Skill and Corsair, some of them default to 2133 while others default to 2400.
XMP is an overclock.
Please, don't correct me if you don't know what you're talking about.
Edit ;
https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/gaming/extreme-memory-profile-xmp.html
Here's an Intel info page in it, that states that it's overclocking.
"Extreme Memory Profile (XMP) is a specification serving as an extension to the standard JEDEC SPD specifications developed by Intel. XMP is intended to make overclocking easier and more accessible to new users through profiles and predefined overclocking configurations that are known to be stable."
XMP profiles are pre-defined overclocking profiles. They can work on motherboards that don't support manual memory overclocking because XMP profiles are actually a part of the BIOS. BIOS code is loaded with profiles, and is responsible for loading them onto RAM.
Also, here's a line direct from Intel's page on XMP: [www.intel.com]
"Intel® Extreme Memory Profile (Intel® XMP) lets you overclock RAM and compatible DDR3/DDR4 memory to enhance the gaming features built into PCs with Intel® Core™ processor. Get that extra edge you need to dominate."
Even Intel states that it's an overclock. It's pre-defined and pre-approved profiles in BIOS so that users can achieve the advertised RAM speed without having to manually set all of the values in BIOS. It's still defined as an overclock by the company that created it.
It's defined by Jedec, the company that makes standards, as an overclock.
It is an overclock - increasing clockspeeds above their defined standard or default.
You've been overclocking for years? And that means what exactly? You can change a few numbers in BIOS, and run a program and see if it BSODs. Doesn't mean much else.
I think anyone else would say that XMP is an overclock, since, that's what it is.
Okay here's the deal: it's all opinion.
The manufacturer of a product will say almost anything voids the warranty and is some phrase that denotes waiver of their liability to replace whatever you're using.
This is their point in what they have to say.
Others will adopt their language to form a basis of discussion with others, a common library of sorts, but it only applies to those who agree with them (again opinion).
In reality everything has specifications and yet each computer, each cpu, each component has difference, will perform differently when combined with other components since those differences can get highlighted.
The mix of them together that arrives at the most common result, meaning an acceptable variance, is "specification" or standard.
The device designs, however, can, will, and do, lead to the owners of them looking at the specifications and designs very very thoroughly to see, like mountain climbers climbing a mountain, if they can make that design do more, or more accurately, "perform more efficiently to achieve the purposes of the design."
Often it is these things that lead to the innovations we have, like dual channel, or the whole sawtooth AMD idea, and of course XMP is a means to do this. It will be called overclocking for those legal reasons, to assure people don't pursue something with a product they didn't know is on the margins of defective, versus the processor in your computer or 1000 others, so that the company isn't replacing what, in some circles of consumer rights, likely shouldn't have been sold.
"Overclocking" is a medium of communicating an idea that derives from a legal protection asserted by manufacturers of transistors, capacitors, resistors, diodes, etc., all the pieces that culminate into CPU, GPU, Motherboard, but remains an opinion in fact as future designs demonstrate from past ones that innovation leads to even more component capabilities, reveals unlocked secrets more often than anything else, or pushes the manufacturers to discover and achieve them if they wants to remain a viable and profitable entity.
XMP is a means of taking the component passed what the company is willing to honor warranty for, and these companies do not want us meddling for the simple fact it increases pressure on them to make something new, something better, or may reveal they shipped products that never should have been, tried to repackage a failure that never should have been made in the first place, etc. Consider the 8350 4 core vs 8 core dispute that ended up in court with a settlement of money from AMD and I'd hope you'd start to realize the broader gravity of the use of terms like "overclocking" by these companies.
when it comes to factory overclocks, you arent actually overclocking said hardware.
just though i would toss that in there since its seems to have become a discussion.