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Publicado originalmente por 乇丂匚ㄖ尺ᐯ乇:

Publicado originalmente por MonkehMaster:

im not reading anything, i already know what you think is going on, but your wrong.

2 sticks of double sided ram does not make a single channel or dual channel or quad channel motherboard run at quad channel speeds.

also i have never even seen that site link before, doesnt look like anything i would even consider clicking on.

No, he's actually correct, DDR5 DIMMs have 2 channels on a single DIMM, he wasn't saying that it's all dual rank (double-sided) RAM. Look it up, it's listed everywhere.

TY

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por ⎠⎝Zu$hikatetomoto⎠⎝:

Publicado originalmente por 乇丂匚ㄖ尺ᐯ乇:

No, he's actually correct, DDR5 DIMMs have 2 channels on a single DIMM, he wasn't saying that it's all dual rank (double-sided) RAM. Look it up, it's listed everywhere.

If you're going to argue with someone about something, you'd best actually educate yourself on the topic.

No need to be mean there is people who are still learning and not everyone so be nice and help teach no need to be mean.

It's not mean, it's honesty, don't confuse the two. Want me to pretend to be nice when he's always like that to people when he argues with them? Not happening. If anything, he should be grateful that he's given enough respect that someone would be blunt with him when he's clearly wrong and just choosing not to look it up when it takes 10 seconds to find out it's true.

If people think my last comment was rude, they won't have a fun time in the real world where people can be absolutely vicious to you for no reason, and they need to grow a spine, understand that people aren't going to like them and dull down their words.

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por ⎠⎝Zu$hikatetomoto⎠⎝:

Publicado originalmente por 乇丂匚ㄖ尺ᐯ乇:

It's not mean, it's honesty, don't confuse the two. Want me to pretend to be nice when he's always like that to people when he argues with them? Not happening. If anything, he should be grateful that he's given enough respect that someone would be blunt with him when he's clearly wrong and just choosing not to look it up when it takes 10 seconds to find out it's true.

Well if he acts like that then, Don't drop to his level still help and be the bigger person and the user who fights will look bad in the end. I am saying don't be mean to everyone not just one person.

Again, it's honesty, and not even brutal honesty, it's honest advice. A lot of people these days don't even understand half of what they're arguing and don't even bother to properly educate themselves on a topic before they do it. Everyone gets that same level of honesty, and if they find it to be too sharp, that isn't my problem. It's constructive criticism, get used to it, you'll hear a lot more of that and a lot worse in the real world.

It's this exact reason why the left-wing in the United States goes after free speech, because people lack the spine and mental ability to handle words they perceive to be rude even when the words and intent really aren't malicious. It's stupidity like that, that will take away the freedom to say anything against government, corporations, and influential individuals as the US hurdles deeper into oligarchy and towards a dictatorship.

Words can only hurt or bother you if you choose to let them. Overcoming pain, negativity, that creates strength, the absence of any of that leaves people inexperienced and too weak to deal with any of it.

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All he had to do was look at the link. I was not rude or condescending, just wanted him to accept he was not right. He was pretty rude about it tbh. If i am wrong i will accept it, but i was not.

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por TIGGER:

All he had to do was look at the link. I was not rude or condescending, just wanted him to accept he was not right. He was pretty rude about it tbh. If i am wrong i will accept it, but i was not.

No you were totally in the right here, you did nothing wrong. You tried to enlighten him, he refused it. If his feelings are somehow hurt, it's his own fault.

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Its not a first time he react like this because of ram. Dont ask him about ddr4 JEDEC standard. He refuse to accept 3200 xmp is oc and dont want to read anything because he knows it better.

[Jamebonds1]

Context beware. Channel mean many different things that lead to misunderstand.

Right now, I don't see any Z690 and INTEL 12th Gen CPU claimed to support quad channel in two DIMM.

Unless someone found motherboard model that support quad channel with two DIMM supposedly.

[MonkehMaster]

yet like i was saying, "quad channel" memory (ddr5) will not make a dual channel motherboard run at quad channel speeds, you need a cpu and motherboard with quad channel support... ie... 8 ram slots on the motherboard... and a cpu that will work with 8 ram slots...

not sure what he was"enlightening me" about, i already know about ddr5, i dont need to read about it again, but what i was saying was clearly correct and every link i look at says the same, running "quad channel" (ddr5) memory does not make a dual channel motherboard/cpu run at quad channel speeds, nor does running 8 "quad channel dimms" (ddr5) in a quad channel motherboard/cpu mean it will be running faster than quad channel speeds.

in the end, anything put in a single channel, dual channel or quad channel motherboard, will only run at the channel speeds the motherboard/cpu support.

as for the "mean words" nonsense, those dont bother me at all, tho i didnt really see any "mean words" aside from some weak insults from Tiger calling me a noob lol... and i can safely ignore that stuff and report it and be done with it (if need be).

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por Jamebonds1:

Context beware. Channel mean many different things that lead to misunderstand.

Right now, I don't see any Z690 and INTEL 12th Gen CPU claimed to support quad channel in two DIMM.

Unless someone found motherboard model that support quad channel with two DIMM supposedly.

Tigger was merely stating that each DDR5 DIMM has the bandwidth to run in dual channel, and that also means if even if you use a single DIMM, you still get dual channel. MonkehMaster denied that, saying that Tigger must've mixed it up with dual-sided RAM.

IF -- keyword, IF Z690 motherboards and LGA1700 CPUs supported quad channel RAM, running 4 DIMMs would result in quad channel, removing the need for 8 slots, which I recall MonkehMaster had also said was a requirement, which is now only half true. It's possible for quad channel to run on 4 DIMMs but it hasn't happened yet, but it will, so he's only half correct on that one point.

Publicado originalmente por MonkehMaster:

yet like i was saying, "quad channel" memory (ddr5) will not make a dual channel motherboard run at quad channel speeds, you need a cpu and motherboard with quad channel support... ie... 8 ram slots on the motherboard... and a cpu that will work with 8 ram slots...

not sure what he was"enlightening me" about, i already know about ddr5, i dont need to read about it again, but what i was saying was clearly correct and every link i look at says the same, running "quad channel" (ddr5) memory does not make a dual channel motherboard/cpu run at quad channel speeds, nor does running 8 "quad channel dimms" (ddr5) in a quad channel motherboard/cpu mean it will be running faster than quad channel speeds.

in the end, anything put in a single channel, dual channel or quad channel motherboard, will only run at the channel speeds the motherboard/cpu support.

That's not what you were saying earlier. You flat out denied that DDR5 was dual channel per DIMM, now you're just skating around it because you've been proven wrong on that and changing what your point was to what I said, which is that there is currently no motherboard with 4 slots that runs quad channel... but there will be at some point, possibly next generation.

Refer to the previous comments in question:

Publicado originalmente por MonkehMaster:

Publicado originalmente por TIGGER:

Probably got 4 sticks of ram and is a bit of a novice so thinks it's quad channel. Only new ADL with DDR5 is quad channel

quad channel requires 8 ram slots (4 ram slots are dual channel), ddr5 is not a requirement of quad channel.

Publicado originalmente por MonkehMaster:

Publicado originalmente por TIGGER:

Each stick of DDR5 is dual channel, so four sticks is quad channel. go find out, i will let you thank me when you find i am right.
Screw it, here you go-DDR5 gives you two 32-bit wide (40-bit wide, with ECC) channels per stick, which means that you get a quad-channel configuration when running two DIMM.
https://pokde.net/system/pc/ram/ddr5-vs-ddr4

your talking about single sided or double sided ram, not dual/quad channel... which has to do with how many memory channels a motherboard supports....

ie...

you have single channel motherboards, dual channel motherboards and quad channel motherboards, after that you get into server grade motherboards which may/may not support higher than quad channel (tho i havent put the effort in or dealt with them to know if thats true or they just groups more slots into a quad channel config).

in no way does a ram module with double sided ram, give you quad channel support in a dual channel motherboard.

you either misunderstand, or simply dont understand what you are talking about.

Publicado originalmente por MonkehMaster:

Publicado originalmente por TIGGER:

each stick is dual channel, so two sticks is quad channel. read he bloody link before you comment

im not reading anything, i already know what you think is going on, but your wrong.

2 sticks of double sided ram does not make a single channel or dual channel or quad channel motherboard run at quad channel speeds.

also i have never even seen that site link before, doesnt look like anything i would even consider clicking on.

You did correctly state that it doesn't work in a motherboard that only supports dual channel but you still denied that it was in the DDR5 specification. You dismissed it as it being dual-sided RAM.

[MonkehMaster]

Publicado originalmente por 乇丂匚ㄖ尺ᐯ乇:

Publicado originalmente por Jamebonds1:

Context beware. Channel mean many different things that lead to misunderstand.

Right now, I don't see any Z690 and INTEL 12th Gen CPU claimed to support quad channel in two DIMM.

Unless someone found motherboard model that support quad channel with two DIMM supposedly.

Tigger was merely stating that each DDR5 DIMM has the bandwidth to run in dual channel, and that also means if even if you use a single DIMM, you still get dual channel. MonkehMaster denied that, saying that Tigger must've mixed it up with dual-sided RAM.

IF -- keyword, IF Z690 motherboards and LGA1700 CPUs supported quad channel RAM, running 4 DIMMs would result in quad channel, removing the need for 8 slots, which I recall MonkehMaster had also said was a requirement, which is now only half true. It's possible for quad channel to run on 4 DIMMs but it hasn't happened yet, but it will, so he's only half correct on that one point.

Publicado originalmente por MonkehMaster:

yet like i was saying, "quad channel" memory (ddr5) will not make a dual channel motherboard run at quad channel speeds, you need a cpu and motherboard with quad channel support... ie... 8 ram slots on the motherboard... and a cpu that will work with 8 ram slots...

not sure what he was"enlightening me" about, i already know about ddr5, i dont need to read about it again, but what i was saying was clearly correct and every link i look at says the same, running "quad channel" (ddr5) memory does not make a dual channel motherboard/cpu run at quad channel speeds, nor does running 8 "quad channel dimms" (ddr5) in a quad channel motherboard/cpu mean it will be running faster than quad channel speeds.

in the end, anything put in a single channel, dual channel or quad channel motherboard, will only run at the channel speeds the motherboard/cpu support.

That's not what you were saying earlier. You flat out denied that DDR5 was dual channel per DIMM, now you're just skating around it because you've been proven wrong on that and changing what your point was to what I said, which is that there is currently no motherboard with 4 slots that runs quad channel... but there will be at some point, possibly next generation.

i didnt flat out deny anything... maybe you misread, but thats not on me, thats on you.

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Each DDR5 stick has two channels, no doubt there, a DDR4 stick has one channel

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por TIGGER:

Each DDR5 stick has two channels, no doubt there, a DDR4 stick has one channel

Until they come out with quad channel support on motherboards and CPUs at least on the high end for LGA1700 and AM5 though, you're limited to dual channel bandwidth regardless of how many DIMMs you have, but that's still fantastic if you end up running 1 or 3 DIMMs, compared to before when 1 channel would only run single channel.

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https://postimg.cc/VdDP6BBb
https://www.anandtech.com/show/17078/intel-alder-lake-ddr5-memory-scaling-analysis/2
Cpuz shows quad channel with DDR5 6000

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por TIGGER:

https://postimg.cc/VdDP6BBb
https://www.anandtech.com/show/17078/intel-alder-lake-ddr5-memory-scaling-analysis/2
Cpuz shows quad channel with DDR5 6000

Genuinely thought that Z690 DDR5 was still dual channel. Good thing I was wrong on that then, that's a lot better than being stuck with dual channel.

Completely invalidates the last argument, since CPU-Z clearly shows that Z690 does support quad channel. However, that may only apply for Intel's unlocked processors, they may lock it down to dual channel for the i5-12400 and other locked CPUs.

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Anyway here is a PC pic and my specs
Alder lake I7 12700k 12/20 cpu
Asus Rog Strix z690-A WiFi D4
TEAM GROUP 32GB (2X16GB) DDR4 3600C16
MSI GTX 980ti Gaming 6g
Silicon Power PCIe M.2 NVMe SSD 256GB Gen3x4
WD blue 4TB HDD
Corsair TX750M 80% gold
Lian Li o11D XL
EK 360mm PE
EK 280mm CE
EK supremacy classic (CPU)
Generic (GPU)
XSPC Res/pump D5 vario
EK black tubing
3x Corsair LL120mm
2xCorsair LL140mm
32" MSI 1080P 165hz
Anne Pro II keyboard
Razer Viper

https://i.postimg.cc/Y2sfLWvt/IMG-0133.jpg