Theoretically, are these specs better than PS4?

[reveilleun]

AMD FX 8350 Black Edition 8 Core Processor 4.00GHz Piledriver Socket AM3
Palit GTX 770 2GB GDDR5
Corsair Vengeance 1 x 8GB PC3-12800 1600MHz DDR3
ASRock N68-VS3 FX - micro ATX - Socket AM3
600W Cooler Master B600
1TB Blue SATA 6GB/s 7200RPM 64MB 3.5" Hard Drive
LiteOn IHOS104 4x SATA Internal BD-ROM Drive

[reveilleun]

Thanks for the comments. What is the matter with the current MOBO I have?

BTW.

What is dual channel mode and how can I use it effectivly. I always thought have one stick of 8GB would be better than 2 sticks of 4GB?

[Rove]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Robowski:

Thanks for the comments. What is the matter with the current MOBO I have?

A few things:
1. It is micro-ATX, get a full ATX unless you don't have space, are making a super budget build with low end CPU/GPU or actually have some other reason to go for a small or cheap board. Not saying that all micro-ATX boards are bad or cheap, some are very nice and expensive, but still go for a ATX (full size) unless you have a specific reason to be small. mATX in fullsize case is still the same size computer remember.

2. As _|_ points out the CPU VRM isn't very good and it might not support overclocking your CPU or might otherwise underpower it. In spite of what he says, it probably won't fail but it might throttle your CPU power. The one I recommended had 6+2 digital VRM with a heatsink on it.

3. It says socket AM3, while it *might* support a socket AM+ CPU it would be better to get a socket AM3+ board and not a AM3. Some AM3 may not support all AM3+ CPUs specially the better ones. Buy AM3+ not AM3, if you have a AM3 board already upgrading your CPU might be okay to do to AM3+, but do not buy a brand new AM3 board for a AM3+ CPU. Buy AM3+ and AM3+ ONLY!

That's about it.

Just when making a system, try and match quality with quality. Don't buy a AMD Radeon HD 7990 GPU with a AMD Sempron CPU for your gaming build, buy good GPU and good CPU or bad and bad, match like to like. The same applies to the motherboard.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Robowski:

What is dual channel mode and how can I use it effectivly. I always thought have one stick of 8GB would be better than 2 sticks of 4GB?

2 sticks of RAM will run twice as fast and it's automatic. This is because your CPU which has a dual channel memory controller can address both sticks as one and so for most uses you will have twice the bandwidth.

I personally like 8GB sticks also, so if you want to buy only 1 8GB stick and upgrade later to +1 8GB, total 16GB then that should be fine also. That is what I would recommend.

If you do not intend to upgrade ever and you can only afford 8GB now then get 2*4GB sticks for dual channel mode.

[Velmarshal]

There are good mATX mobos. I got mine just for the reason that I will never need more than two PCI-E 3.0 slots.

[reveilleun]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Rove:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Robowski:

Thanks for the comments. What is the matter with the current MOBO I have?

A few things:
1. It is micro-ATX, get a full ATX unless you don't have space, are making a super budget build with low end CPU/GPU or actually have some other reason to go for a small or cheap board. Not saying that all micro-ATX boards are bad or cheap, some are very nice and expensive, but still go for a ATX (full size) unless you have a specific reason to be small. mATX in fullsize case is still the same size computer remember.

2. As _|_ points out the CPU VRM isn't very good and it might not support overclocking your CPU or might otherwise underpower it. In spite of what he says, it probably won't fail but it might throttle your CPU power. The one I recommended had 6+2 digital VRM with a heatsink on it.

3. It says socket AM3, while it *might* support a socket AM+ CPU it would be better to get a socket AM3+ board and not a AM3. Some AM3 may not support all AM3+ CPUs specially the better ones. Buy AM3+ not AM3, if you have a AM3 board already upgrading your CPU might be okay to do to AM3+, but do not buy a brand new AM3 board for a AM3+ CPU. Buy AM3+ and AM3+ ONLY!

That's about it.

Just when making a system, try and match quality with quality. Don't buy a AMD Radeon HD 7990 GPU with a AMD Sempron CPU for your gaming build, buy good GPU and good CPU or bad and bad, match like to like. The same applies to the motherboard.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Robowski:

What is dual channel mode and how can I use it effectivly. I always thought have one stick of 8GB would be better than 2 sticks of 4GB?

2 sticks of RAM will run twice as fast and it's automatic. This is because your CPU which has a dual channel memory controller can address both sticks as one and so for most uses you will have twice the bandwidth.

I personally like 8GB sticks also, so if you want to buy only 1 8GB stick and upgrade later to +1 8GB, total 16GB then that should be fine also. That is what I would recommend.

If you do not intend to upgrade ever and you can only afford 8GB now then get 2*4GB sticks for dual channel mode.

Thanks for the info, very helpful indeed!

I'm on a budget of £50 for an upgraded mobo. What would you recomend at that price that is much better than the one I have?

[Rove]

One of these and do not overclock your CPU aggressively or at all if it's not already 100% usuage on all 8 cores (which my FX 8150 never is even close to).

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-ga970ads3
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-970extreme3
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-970ag43

Just remember GPU is the part that will be getting most of the use in games. Overclocking your GPU will be better than overclocking your CPU anyways. These boards are not really meant for overclocking, you could probably get away with it if you could do it and not raise the Voltage or power use.

You can overclock your GPU on these boards.

Something else to note:
These boards support Crossfire, but they do not support SLI so you can not add another Nvidia GPU and expect it to run in SLI with the one you want to get.

Generally only more expensive AMD boards support SLI. The first one I recommended does support SLI, see here:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-m5a99fxpror20

This is a good reason (along with the VRMs and expansion options) to get a good motherboard when you are getting a good quality build. You will enjoy better future upgrade options, better overclocking, better BIOS and better experience with a better motherboard. Like to like.

I have no idea if it is possible to run SLI on a board that does not support it. Since I don't know I do not recommend trying because they do specifically say "does not support SLI".

If you are thinking you might want SLI I might almost recommend getting a cheaper AMD FX 8320 or 6300 and pumping $ into the motherboard but that is up to you.

This is the cheapest SLI board I can find, maybe you fibnd something cheaper at a local retailer or maybe not:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-990fxagd65

Also I note that in your post you say AMD FX 8350 socket AM3, it's not that, it's AM3+ so be careful of that.

[Rove]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Asaggynoodle:

Clearly, Just becasue the PS4/One has a Eight core processor has no meaning that it's the top of the line for desktops. I mean it will probably have the wattage requirements of about 300w Max. 360w is the Largest External PSU currently, so everything have to be wall within that footprint. The GPU is probably the equivalent to a 7570-7670. Not to mention, I believe the Ram is dynamically allocated to the GPU.

The PS4 is about the Performance equivalent/less than a A10 5800K, in both Processor and GPU performance.

It is not so. AMD has specifically said that the PS4 APU is the best they have made ever.

That is probably mostly in terms of graphics performance because it has a 1.84 TFLOPS GPU with 8GB high bandwidth linked GDDR5. The CPU is 8 "jaguar" cores, probably at 1.6Ghz.

So the AMD A10-5800K CPU might be better than the PS4, with 1/2 the cores but more than twice the clockspeed and desktop architecture as opposed to mobile, though it won't have 8GB GDDR5 memory linked to it.

The AMD A10-5800K GPU will probably lag behind by a fair margin however.

I think people who currently own any of these AMD APUs: A8-3870K, A10-5800K, A10-6800K should be at or above par in terms of CPU, the A8 maybe with a little overclock at most. Some of the other second and third generation A8 and A10 parts might also make that CPU list.

Anyone with a current AMD APU is going to need a GPU upgrade to be on par with the PS4 though, unless maybe they have a crossfired HD 6670 already and they can get a really good overclock on their A10 APU's GPU and on the 6670 as well. Then they might squeek in under the bar and be at rock bottom "okay", specially since I heard a rumour that the Xbox One uses a 1.3-1.4~ TFLOPS GPU. That Xbox One spec is still probably subject to chnage and they may be all like "I'll have what he's having" if the 1.84 TFLOPS PS4 GPU is ready in time for their launch.

If you do have a A10 and a HD 6670 don't run off and buy a new GPU yet, wait and see and when you finally hit a game you can't play then try overclocking and if it still doesn't work then go buy a new GPU. hopefully by then 1.84~ TFLOPS of performance will be much cheaper also.

Personally I'd say the HD 7790 would be the minimum GPU to go for to hit par and even then you'd need to share system RAM with it, like +7GB system RAM to give it 8GB like the PS4 has. I have 16GB shared to my 2GB HD 6950 GPU right now so it is possible.

I think AMD will come out with a APU that can equal the PS4 or Xbox One sometime in the next 2 years after Kaveri. I hope Kaveri will be able to crossfire with some higher performance GPUs so it might also beat the PS4 in crossfire mode without overclocking, but not alone.

[U N I T]

this thing would rip apart the ps4 and x1 combined