Win11 vs Win10 when it comes to games, compatibility and optimization?

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I feel like any version prior to the April update in 2018, that would be Win 10 1803, was decent compared to nowadays' Win10.

What's your opinion on this?

[󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei]

in my experience, the same stuff work on 11 as 10, in fact 11 24h2 is proven to be faster than any 10 version so people defending 10 over 11 are just delusional

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Publicado originalmente por 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:

in my experience, the same stuff work on 11 as 10, in fact 11 24h2 is proven to be faster than any 10 version so people defending 10 over 11 are just delusional

Is that because 24H2 had some reckless graphics optimizations that had to be cleaned up?

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There were actually certain situations where AM5 CPUs ran faster on Windows 10 than on Windows 11. Personally I think this is because WIndows and Intel were conspiring together but I'm sure there were perfectly good excuses for it.

Another thing worth noting is that Windows 11 requires the TPM which, while it is useful in certain situations, could empower Microsoft to basically enable hardware DRM and push more toward "trusted" applications AKA Microsoft getting more control over you, your computer, and everything you can do on your computer. "Boiling frogs" comes to mind.


I think Windows 11 is a mess, to be honest. It's pretty clear that whoever is developing for M$ right now isn't even half as talented as whoever was doing so 5-10 years ago. Don't know if it's H1Bs or lazy grad students or what but they are half-@ssing it. There are pretty much zero noteworthy additional features, in fact maybe less since some features have been REMOVED, the layout is not great, it really doesn't really run much faster in my experience, and there is just such immense amounts of bloat and spyware that it is insane.
In my opinion 90% of people only accept this BS because they are forced to. If there was another major professional OS then most people would probably pick that, but also if that was the case maybe Microsoft would start trying again.

[Zefar]

Publicado originalmente por xDDD:

There were actually certain situations where AM5 CPUs ran faster on Windows 10 than on Windows 11. Personally I think this is because WIndows and Intel were conspiring together but I'm sure there were perfectly good excuses for it.

Or AMD hade made some special fine tuning for Win10 so that it would run better.

Publicado originalmente por xDDD:

Another thing worth noting is that Windows 11 requires the TPM which, while it is useful in certain situations, could empower Microsoft to basically enable hardware DRM and push more toward "trusted" applications AKA Microsoft getting more control over you, your computer, and everything you can do on your computer. "Boiling frogs" comes to mind.

Ah yes the good old scary conspiracy theory that Windows will control everything.

Do note that the moment they try to use the monopoly to ban programs from being run on Win11 there will be hundreds or thousand of companies filing abuse of monopoly power to the US government.
At which the US government will take a pretty good look at what MS are doing and tell them to stop. Their recall feature got the attention of the government pretty quickly and it got stopped pretty fast.


TPM is also an extra protection against viruses. It also makes quite a lot of cheats useless.

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I think Windows 11 is a mess, to be honest. It's pretty clear that whoever is developing for M$ right now isn't even half as talented as whoever was doing so 5-10 years ago. Don't know if it's H1Bs or lazy grad students or what but they are half-@ssing it. There are pretty much zero noteworthy additional features, in fact maybe less since some features have been REMOVED, the layout is not great, it really doesn't really run much faster in my experience, and there is just such immense amounts of bloat and spyware that it is insane.
In my opinion 90% of people only accept this BS because they are forced to. If there was another major professional OS then most people would probably pick that, but also if that was the case maybe Microsoft would start trying again.

Been on Win11 for a year now I believe.

The only real difference between 10 and 11 is the start menu. It's a bit worse but that's about it. The rest is functioning much like 10. It actually has more ways to turn off or down with the stuff it collects over 10.

There is also this where Win10 takes exactly the same amount of stuff that Win11 does at base. Even Win7 will steal information.

95% of the people accept Win11 because it's pretty much like Win10.

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Publicado originalmente por Zefar:

TPM is also an extra protection against viruses. It also makes quite a lot of cheats useless.

In that context I believe the only protection it provides is preventing malicious software from stealing cryptographic secrets.

TPM is also fully supported on Windows 10. I originally bought a TPM for my motherboard to use BitLocker.

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Publicado originalmente por Zefar:

Or AMD hade made some special fine tuning for Win10 so that it would run better.

Considering all the benchmark runners use Windows 11 it's pretty stupid and unlikely that they'd tweak it to run well on Windows 10 and not on Windows 11.
Also it runs even better on Linux which kind of supports the fact that it's a W11 issue (unless they specifically "fine tuned" it for Linux and Windows 10).
Also the fact that they released a Windows 11 update to fix it (and kind of did fix it) kind of supports that it was a W11 issue.
And considering AMD was scrambling and calling subpar benchmarks "wrong" kind of supports that it was a W11 issue.

Seems pretty clear to me that it was a W11 issue, and it is pretty much regarded as a historical fact at this point. Whether or not it was malicious is up to contention.


Yknow, I was going to go through quoting your talking points too but it is clear we just disagree on a fundamental and ideological level and that's just okay.
I don't like Windows 11 and you do. So we'll have to just agree to disagree.

[AmaiAmai]

At this point, Windows 10/11 should be near identical at the core. Only difference is antimalware and other hardware-based security being enforced on one (Windows 11) and not the other.

Well also telemetry...but that is also in Windows 10 now.

Publicado originalmente por tbialoof:

you say proven but if you update from 23h2 to 24h2 instead of clean installing it you get big performance issues due to bugs in the upgrade process, and likely the same for future updates, so windows 10 is for people who dont wish to wipe their computer on a yearly basis to get windows 10 levels of performance, even if there are edge cases where 11 could technically come ahead after a clean install

No, this is dependent on your hardware configuration. If you don't have drivers that are up-to-date then it's a better idea to wait instead of install 24H2 until the drivers are verfied. Otherwise it will cause problems and performance loss.

If you have old hardware like:

a. Keyboards, controllers, mice that need drivers to function and cannot use the generic driver

b. GPUs that no longer have support (driver should be compatible in Windows Update so, this is unlikely)

c. Expansion cards that need a driver from the manufacturer for audio, SATA, NVME, etc.

d. Motherboard controllers/ chipsets that no longer get driver updates

e. BIOS that boots in Legacy-CSM only and does not hae XHCI handoff or disable for XHCI

Then don't do it. If you do and run into issues look into those listed ones. If anyone does and has issues you can always post on MSDN or here:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum