You don't need a 9800X3D

[Skkooomer Lord]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUtowOonjeg

I mean if a 7700 can do this, imagine what a 12th gen - 14th gen can do and Ryzen 5000 - 7000.

9800X3D is literally one of the most out of touch CPU purchases one could buy.

Only us in the 1% even buy hardware like that...

I am a 1%er myself, and even so my gaming habits are fulfilled by a much cheaper stock 14600K, prices are silly.



This is based on a halo tier GPU purchase that is not pure extortion. Comaprable GPU's (RTX 4080S - 5080 raster)
I have also made comparable lists to my tastes, I use LiveMixer boards for their ridiculous amount of onboard USB & PCI NVME expansion.

PSU & cooler are the same for both for parity.

PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/VTF4Zc

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D 4.7 GHz 8-Core Processor (£493.19 @ Newegg UK)
CPU Cooler: Alphacool Eisbaer Aurora 280 41.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£176.76 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock B850 LiveMixer WiFi ATX AM5 Motherboard (£194.99 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL28 Memory (£120.61 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: XFX Speedster MERC 310 Black Edition Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card (£779.98)
Power Supply: MSI MPG A850GF 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£110.99)
Total: £1876.52
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-02-17 21:03 GMT+0000




PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/FdJtLc

CPU: Intel Core i5-14600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor (£233.98 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
CPU Cooler: Alphacool Eisbaer Aurora 280 41.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£176.76 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock Z790 LiveMixer ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (£209.99 @ AWD-IT)
Memory: Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7000 CL32 Memory (£96.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: XFX Speedster MERC 310 Black Edition Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card (£779.98)
Power Supply: MSI MPG A850GF 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£110.99)
Total: £1608.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-02-17 21:05 GMT+0000


Latest CPU + GPU heavy game bench.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xudX-0nbP-4


Any 9800X3D owners with an XTX can do some benching if you want.

Guarenteed less than 1% difference in either favour.


You could argue the price difference is small for the amount being spent, I both agree and disagree here.

The Ryzen 9800X3D is usually bought with lower end GPU's, more so RTX 4070 sort of purchases from the amount I have seen across various forums, Reddit & Steam.

So the money here is definitely not worth it as you will see no difference.




We could further this and not buy a 14th gen chip, we could just buy a 5700X3D on AM4, but the single thread speed of these Intel chips are ludicrous & will run circles around those older X3D chips in most cases especially when 3DVcache does nothing.


With how badly optimised games are these days too you won't be hitting any CPU limit at all especially on Unreal 5.

[Skkooomer Lord]

The Intel B580 & B570 are also useless purchases, you need a high end CPU to get their maximum performance, stripping away any value from buying one.

[_I_]

the x3d cpu in a b board will throttle it down to the 14900k performance

only takeaway should be to get the correct boards for the cpus

[Skkooomer Lord]

Publicado originalmente por _I_:

the x3d cpu in a b board will throttle it down to the 14900k performance

only takeaway should be to get the correct boards for the cpus

Do you remember saying that the user with a 14600K and his B760 board would throttle and you got destroyed with evidence that you were wrong?

Also the B850 Livemixer is a great performer even with the flagship CPU, no throttling.

https://www.funkykit.com/reviews/motherboards/asrock-b850-livemixer-wifi-motherboard-review/8/

[DefinitelyNotMonk]

Cooler is overkill in both builds I'd save 100 bucks there and put it into a second hand 4080 or push the boat out to a 4090 once 50 series stock normalised :)

But, yeah, you don't NEED a top tier cpu and it only really shines in e sports if you have the skill to back it up, 4k is the great equaliser, but a very fast system dies help if you want all the eye candy, even at 4k.

[DefinitelyNotMonk]

Publicado originalmente por Granite:

Publicado originalmente por _I_:

the x3d cpu in a b board will throttle it down to the 14900k performance

only takeaway should be to get the correct boards for the cpus

Do you remember saying that the user with a 14600K and his B760 board would throttle and you got destroyed with evidence that you were wrong?

Also the B850 Livemixer is a great performer even with the flagship CPU, no throttling.

https://www.funkykit.com/reviews/motherboards/asrock-b850-livemixer-wifi-motherboard-review/8/

You are not getting the best out of your system on any B series board, be it the lack of overclocking or the limits you'll face with getting the most out of your ram.

No one should buy high end cpu's with b series boards and if you need extra usb's, that is what hubs are for.

[Skkooomer Lord]

Publicado originalmente por DefinitelyNotMonk:

Publicado originalmente por Granite:

Do you remember saying that the user with a 14600K and his B760 board would throttle and you got destroyed with evidence that you were wrong?

Also the B850 Livemixer is a great performer even with the flagship CPU, no throttling.

https://www.funkykit.com/reviews/motherboards/asrock-b850-livemixer-wifi-motherboard-review/8/

You are not getting the best out of your system on any B series board, be it the lack of overclocking or the limits you'll face with getting the most out of your ram.

No one should buy high end cpu's with b series boards and if you need extra usb's, that is what hubs are for.

The Intel Livemixer is a Z series, overclocking works fine, the B850 can't OC.

But you went back on the point before to make this point.

Why would anyone OC one when it's pointless even at stock?

1920x1080 benchmarks of the 9800X3D stock vs OC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGVMUtzgI1M

4090 is bottlenecked at 1080P with a 9800X3D pretty badly on S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2 because it's an unoptimized mess on Unreal 5.

But anyone with a 4090 is not at 1080P.

Nvidia's driver overhead should also be factored in here.

[󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei]

ew 280mm radiator, anyway some people simply prefer to have the best of the best, also B board absolutely suck, only buy X ones and the high tier ones as well such as the rog crosshair x870e

[Skkooomer Lord]

Publicado originalmente por 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:

ew 280mm radiator, anyway some people simply prefer to have the best of the best, also B board absolutely suck, only buy X ones and the high tier ones as well such as the rog crosshair x870e

So then you agree, it is now not only a mostly useless investment but also a ridiculously expensive one now with that board.

People who want the best, that was not an argument I made, they are not part of this, so free...

[DefinitelyNotMonk]

I'm not familiar with the boards tbh, but, my points still stand.

You can OC to improve the minimum and help alieviste drops / stutters, both things you'll want a solid mobo to carry out fir both the cpu and memory tuning.

Personally, I wouldn't buy an amd cpu yet anyway and the 9800x3d, nor any ryzen cpu really are not well known for their oc potential.

Part of what makes them so good is that they are very close to the limit at stock, where as on Intel you need to tweak stuff to get the best from it.

Edit.

I did miss that the Intel was a Z series board, my bad.

Not sure what I went back on though.

[󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei]

Publicado originalmente por Granite:

Publicado originalmente por 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:

ew 280mm radiator, anyway some people simply prefer to have the best of the best, also B board absolutely suck, only buy X ones and the high tier ones as well such as the rog crosshair x870e

So then you agree, it is now not only a mostly useless investment but also a ridiculously expensive one now with that board.

People who want the best, that was not an argument I made, they are not part of this, so free...

i wouldn't say 1% tho, theres a lot of people that i know that are rocking a 9800X3D, 14900k's and similar

[Skkooomer Lord]

Publicado originalmente por DefinitelyNotMonk:

I'm not familiar with the boards tbh, but, my points still stand.

You can OC to improve the minimum and help alieviste drops / stutters, both things you'll want a solid mobo to carry out fir both the cpu and memory tuning.

Personally, I wouldn't buy an amd cpu yet anyway and the 9800x3d, nor any ryzen cpu really are not well known for their oc potential.

Part of what makes them so good is that they are very close to the limit at stock, where as on Intel you need to tweak stuff to get the best from it.

I see no reason to personally, the Z series allowed me to do more with the machine and hook up more peripherals since I do music work, video editing etc, the added core count for the price is very useful.

And it's stonking fast in games.

[Skkooomer Lord]

Publicado originalmente por 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:

Publicado originalmente por Granite:

So then you agree, it is now not only a mostly useless investment but also a ridiculously expensive one now with that board.

People who want the best, that was not an argument I made, they are not part of this, so free...

i wouldn't say 1% tho, theres a lot of people that i know that are rocking a 9800X3D, 14900k's and similar

Yeah and they are less than 0.01% of people.

[󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei]

Publicado originalmente por Granite:

Publicado originalmente por 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:

i wouldn't say 1% tho, theres a lot of people that i know that are rocking a 9800X3D, 14900k's and similar

Yeah and they are less than 0.01% of people.

that 0.01% is not rich people, anyone that saves up a little can afford it

[DefinitelyNotMonk]

Publicado originalmente por 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:

Publicado originalmente por Granite:

Yeah and they are less than 0.01% of people.

that 0.01% is not rich people, anyone that saves up a little can afford it:Marisa:

This is a point many seem to overlook.

[Skkooomer Lord]

Publicado originalmente por 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Vivi:

Publicado originalmente por Granite:

Yeah and they are less than 0.01% of people.

that 0.01% is not rich people, anyone that saves up a little can afford it:Marisa:

We know.

We are not talking money, just adoption rate.

Intelligent people know they don't need it. Intelligent people don't just throw money at stuff without working out what they need.

The 9950X is what people buy for work purposes, gaming the 9800X3D only looks good if you are playing E-sports titles with a 600hz + monitor which is no one.

480hz has an almost no adoption rate percentage as most don't have a perceivable or objective improvement from 240-360hz.


The only time you see these is in sponsored events mostly.