5080 FE vs. 4080...10 fps or less diff. in many games

[Vegasskill]

Avg. fps 4K (native, no DLSS or FG)

Blak Myth Wukong
5080 - 37.8 fps
4080 - 33.5 fps

Alan wake 2
5080 - 61.3 fps
4080 - 55.8 fps

Cyberpunk 2077
5080 - 70 fps
4080 - 60.2 fps

Doom eternal
5080 - 178 fps
4080 - 174 fps

Assassin's Creed Mirage
5080 - 99.7 fps
4080 - 94 fps

Horizon Forbidden West
5080 - 83.9 fps
4080 - 76.4 fps

Hogwarts Legacy
5080 - 63.7 fps
4080 - 53.8 fps

Silent Hill 2
5080 - 47 fps
4080 - 40.8 fps

STALKER 2
5080 - 57.9 fps
4080 - 49.2 fps

Star Wars Outlaws
5080 - 47.1 fps
4080 - 43 fps

Ratchet and Clank
5080 - 100.9 fps
4080 - 91.3 fps

Ghost of Tsushima
5080 - 78.5 fps
4080 - 71.7 fps

Source - Techpowerup.com
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-5080-vanguard-soc/17.html


Quite amazing. I've never seen such a small performance increase between two generations.
Thoughts?

[r.linder]

Uhhhhhh... yes you have, there's literally been worse, the 4060 Ti was barely faster than the 3060 Ti when it wasn't actually losing to it, it was one of the laughably (and depressingly) bad GPU releases of all time.

It's no secret the meat and potatoes of 50 series is mostly just improvements to DLSS, as Moore's Law is becoming a real problem for GPUs at this point, they're becoming more difficult and more expensive to produce with higher performance, that's why this generation is likely going to be very disappointing for both GeForce and Radeon. Both AMD and NVIDIA are banking more into machine learning technology because there's more gains to be had from it than simply bruteforcing performance with traditional methods.

There's nothing wrong with that inherently so long as the performance benefits are consistent and without issues, which is the main concern as DLSS and FSR aren't an option in every single game in existence, and there's latency concerns yet to be fully ironed out. So it'll be another generation or two of improvements to DLSS before it's really where NVIDIA wants it to be.

[smokerob79]

yeah im over it....the gain made at the price point they think GPU's should sell for are INSANE......i got in to PC because at one point it was cheaper then consoles.....now a single GPU is the price of 4 consoles and will be worth less in less then a real console generation.....

yeah i get that we are getting to the point 4nm wont be really that much behind 3 or even 2nm but there are still many things they could do....like 3D Vcahcing the snoot out of GPU's....

[Troll]

40 series refresh (aka 50 series) is a bust, it's a good upgrade for people with 30 series card and under that's about it.
Even people jumping from a 4090 to 5090 is a waste of money. The next big gain should be 60 series, hopefully they blow everyone away with it.

[_I_]

even now console upgrades are getting pointless
a launch xbox one with an gamepass ultimate acct can cloud play the latest series x games

if you want 4k, you can get a x1x console for cheap enough

[Zefar]

Perhaps graphics cards are starting to peak in their performance?

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by Zefar:

Perhaps graphics cards are starting to peak in their performance?

The makers are just starting to rely on gimmicks and crutches instead. The CEO of NVIDIA literally thinks that Frame Gen's fake frames are the same as real frames.

[HIVEmind]

Didn't they changed architecture, from ada lovelace to something else. Forget the name. Point is wait for the 60 series.

[ᶻ𝗓𐰁]

I'm not sure the point of testing without DLSS or framegen, those are the main selling points of the new cards.

[_I_]

Originally posted by ᶻ𝗓𐰁:

I'm not sure the point of testing without DLSS or framegen, those are the main selling points of the new cards.

the point is that the base performance of the cards hasnt changed much with the 5000 series

with dlss and frame gen, the gpu is not doing the same work and getting the same final image as the cards to compare it to, which would throw out its comparison results

if the previous gen gpu is rendering at 4k, and the new one is rendering at 480p and upscaling to 4k, and generating an 1000 extra fps, it would clearly be the winner
but none of the frames it creates would look anything like the previous gen gpu

[ᶻ𝗓𐰁]

It's like comparing a helicopter to a hot air balloon and saying the balloon is better because it stay in the air longer while ignoring the advantages the helicopter has.

[Rod]

This gen is all about

GDDR7
Displayport 2.1
AI DLSS/FG/RT

This is the worst ever gpu i can remember this is intel territory.

[karmazyn1]

Originally posted by Rod:

This gen is all about

GDDR7
Displayport 2.1
AI DLSS/FG/RT

This is the worst ever gpu i can remember this is intel territory.

If you are coming from 2 or 3 series performance uplift is good enough and its not like you can buy new 4 series anyway.

[Zefar]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by Zefar:

Perhaps graphics cards are starting to peak in their performance?

The makers are just starting to rely on gimmicks and crutches instead. The CEO of NVIDIA literally thinks that Frame Gen's fake frames are the same as real frames.

Maybe because they can't squeeze more power from the cards.

Also the CEO of nvidia is just using marketing speech when selling their cards.

[Andrius227]

I only care about dlss/framegen performance.

[karmazyn1]

Originally posted by Andrius227:

I only care about dlss/framegen performance.

My mate who is a geek told me that dlss 4.0 is a reason to go with 5 series. He told me that it was unreal.