Ryzen 9800x3d

[FHMAWY]

I have asus tuf gaming b650m-plus motherboard did its support 9800x3d and will work with me without any problem?

[PopinFRESH]

TUF GAMING B650M PLUS CUP Support List[www.asus.com]

Yes, it will support it, you'll need to make sure you've updated to BIOS version 2613 first before upgrading the CPU.

[FHMAWY]

Its support yes but the question is did the vrm will give me a full volt for cpu without throttil

[r.linder]

TUF Gaming B650M-PLUS WiFi has 12 60A phases, it'll be fine with the 9800X3D and it'll do quite well even with a 9950X

[The_Abortionator]

Originally posted by FHMAWY:

Its support yes but the question is did the vrm will give me a full volt for cpu without throttil

What? Dude, not only do ALL AM4/AM5 boards support overclocking but they ALL have more than enough oomph for 16 core monsters so of course an 8 core lower power chip will work fine.

I can not stress this enough that it REAL is important that you understand the tech you are trying to talk about because people come here for advice.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by The_Abortionator:

Originally posted by FHMAWY:

Its support yes but the question is did the vrm will give me a full volt for cpu without throttil

What? Dude, not only do ALL AM4/AM5 boards support overclocking but they ALL have more than enough oomph for 16 core monsters so of course an 8 core lower power chip will work fine.

I can not stress this enough that it REAL is important that you understand the tech you are trying to talk about because people come here for advice.

A320, A520, and A620 do not support overclocking if you're gonna be like this you should at least know what you're arguing about

[Ralf]

Originally posted by FHMAWY:

Its support yes but the question is did the vrm will give me a full volt for cpu without throttil

You need more than a full volt for 9800X3D.

[ChickenBalls]

AMD Socket AM5 for AMD Ryzen™ 9000 & 8000 & 7000 Series Desktop Processors*
* Refer to www.asus.com for CPU support list.

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/tuf-gaming/tuf-gaming-b650m-plus/techspec/

eww another micro ATX with only 2x m.2 slots

[C1REX]

Originally posted by ChickenBalls:

AMD Socket AM5 for AMD Ryzen™ 9000 & 8000 & 7000 Series Desktop Processors*
* Refer to www.asus.com for CPU support list.

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/tuf-gaming/tuf-gaming-b650m-plus/techspec/

eww another micro ATX with only 2x m.2 slots

Are you saying that 2 nvme disks are not enough?

[ChickenBalls]

if you want to keep older drives then yes
most modern decent full ATX mobos have at least 3
I was able to keep my 2x 2TB 970EVO with newer pcie4 ssds because I have a full ATX mobo

[The_Abortionator]

Originally posted by r.linder:

Originally posted by The_Abortionator:

What? Dude, not only do ALL AM4/AM5 boards support overclocking but they ALL have more than enough oomph for 16 core monsters so of course an 8 core lower power chip will work fine.

I can not stress this enough that it REAL is important that you understand the tech you are trying to talk about because people come here for advice.

A320, A520, and A620 do not support overclocking if you're gonna be like this you should at least know what you're arguing about

My bad, sorry pedantic one. Excluding the boards nobody buys for gaming or chips above an R3 they are all overclock ready.

Now that with got that totally worthless point across do you feel better? Did it add anything useful AT ALL to this thread? No?

Whats this? More technicalites? Apparently many board can be BCLK overclocked and some Asus boards overclock via PBO.

Is this the part where I'm suppose to throw your words back in your face and say "if you're gonna be like this you should at least know what you're arguing about"?

Thank you so much for derailing a thread for a poor attempt at, what ever the hell you thought you were doing. Stay on topic next time kid.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by ChickenBalls:

if you want to keep older drives then yes
most modern decent full ATX mobos have at least 3
I was able to keep my 2x 2TB 970EVO with newer pcie4 ssds because I have a full ATX mobo

Do you need more?
Are you OK with sharing PCI lanes and lowering the speed of the main PCIe slot from 16x to 8x for your GPU?
Because many motherboards will do that if you use some of m2 slots. It’s very likely that your motherboard shares pci lanes as well.

[ChickenBalls]

as far as I know there are few if any ATX motherboards that limit the bandwidth on the main pcie slot when all of the m.2 are occupied
the older ones like X570/B550 usually run at pcie3 x4 on the second and third m.2

[C1REX]

Originally posted by ChickenBalls:

as far as I know there are few if any ATX motherboards that limit the bandwidth on the main pcie slot when all of the m.2 are occupied
the older ones like X570/B550 usually run at pcie3 x4 on the second and third m.2

Sadly, it’s the opposite.
Even the most premium motherboards share PCI lanes. Even many super high end x870e with dual chipsets providing more lanes.
Like this workstation focused ASUS ProArt X870E-CREATOR WIFI

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/proart/proart-x870e-creator-wifi/techspec/

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AMD X870E Chipset
1 x PCIe 4.0 x16 slot (supports x4 mode)
* Please check the PCIe bifurcation table on the support site (https://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1037507/).
** When you use both PCIEX16(G5)_1 and PCIEX16(G5)_2, they will run at x8 each.
*** PCIEX16(G5)_2 shares bandwidth with M.2_2 slot. When M.2_2 is enabled, PCIEX16(G5)_1 will run x8, and PCIEX16(G5)_2 will run at x4.
- To ensure compatibility of the device installed, please refer to
https://www.asus.com/support/ for the list of supported peripherals.


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The "When M.2_2 is enabled, PCIEX16(G5)_1 will run x8, and PCIEX16(G5)_2 will run at x4." means that using just 2 nvme drives will half the speed of the main PCIe 5.0 slot and the secondary one will be slashed to only 4 lanes.

[ChickenBalls]

dont know much about those overpriced X870E mobos but why would gamers buy the creator when there are ROG X870/E Gaming
but at least none of the X570 mobos that I know of limit the bandwidth on the main PCIe slot when all the m.2 are occupied:

https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-viii-hero-model/spec/

Storage
1 x M.2_1 socket 3, with M Key, Type 2242/2260/2280 (PCIE 4.0 x4 and SATA modes) storage devices support
1 x M.2_1 socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280 storage devices support (SATA & PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)
AMD X570 chipset :
1 x M.2_2 socket 3, with M Key, Type 2242/2260/2280/22110(PCIE 4.0 x4 and SATA modes)

and the ROG X870E-E Gaming
https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-x870e-e-gaming-wifi/spec/

Total supports 5 x M.2 slots and 4 x SATA 6Gb/s ports*
AMD Ryzen™ 9000 & 7000 Series Desktop Processors*
M.2_1 slot (Key M), type 2242/2260/2280 (supports PCIe 5.0 x4 mode)
M.2_2 slot (Key M), type 2242/2260/2280 (supports PCIe 5.0 x4 mode)**
M.2_3 slot (Key M), type 2242/2260/2280/22110 (supports PCIe 5.0 x4 mode)**
AMD Ryzen™ 8000 Series Desktop Processors*
M.2_1 slot (Key M), type 2242/2260/2280 (supports PCIe 4.0 x4 mode)
M.2_2 slot (Key M), type 2242/2260/2280 (Not supports)***
M.2_3 slot (Key M), type 2242/2260/2280/22110 (Not supports)***
AMD X870E Chipset
M.2_4 slot (Key M), type 2280 (supports PCIe 4.0 x4 mode)
M.2_5 slot (Key M), type 2280 (supports PCIe 4.0 x4 mode)
4 x SATA 6Gb/s ports

** M.2_2 & M.2_3 slots share bandwidth with PCIEX16(G5). When M.2_2 & M.2_3 are occupied with SSD devices, PCIEX16(G5) will run x8 only.

this is the problem with the newer pcie5 mobos
but you still get 3x m.2 while retaining pcie5 x16 for the gpu

which is quite stupid though not even the 4090 can saturate pcie4 x16 and it only got gen4 interface and the 5090 will not need pcie5 either. still dont get why they are forcing PCIe5.0 on gamers


edit:

MSI mobos seem to be slightly better at managing pcie lanes

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-X670E-Tomahawk-wifi/Specification

4x M.2
M.2_1 Source (From CPU) supports up to PCIe 5.0 x4 , supports 22110/2280 devices
M.2_2 Source (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
M.2_3 Source (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
M.2_4 Source (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
4x SATA 6G
*PCI_E4 & M2_4 share the bandwidth. M2_4 will run at x2 speed when installing device in the PCI_E4 slot.

[C1REX]

x870e motherboards may feel like a downgrade due to enforced USB4 support that requires more lanes.
x870 non e is a single chipset design when both x670e and non e had double chipset. This downgrade rises my eye brow.

I would also be careful with the specs as they may not provide full data. I would check some good reviews and benchmarks to check potential lane sharing and how a motherboard will behave when you occupy more slots and use more lanes. Everything requires PCI lanes - including bluetooth, WiFi, Ethernet, integrated sound card, usb ports, etc. Having tons of slots doesn't mean you can use all of them at the same time without paying a price.