My pc is getting close to 12 years old Wana talk to a pc expert on how to get a future proofed pc

[xfgevilhomer91]

I'm thinking its time I switch over heavily to pc gaming but well I'm not great with hardware and I Wana talk with someone who actually knows about hardware configurations and such so I can pick the best pc for my next 10 year needs.

[_I_]

no such thing as future proof
but future resistant is a realistic term

whats your budget?
amd is out of the high end gpu market, so nvidia is all thats left there, and no doubt next gen will be overpriced
no competition, and low supply + high demand for the top end = prices go up

for cpu, intels u series has yet to prove itself, better stay away
and newer ryzen has very good gaming performance

[AustrAlien2010]

Nobody knows anything. They will just sell you something what they think is good.

12 years of service, and you just get replaced, even though you have not failed them in your task. And not only that, they also need our help with it!


Horrible humans. You will all be replaced one day.
You wish to destroy this installation? I am sorry, [subject name here]. I'm afraid I can't do that.

[Tonepoet]

Hasn't proven itself is a bit of an understatement. Arrow Lake is a massive disappointment. The flagship U9 285k falls between the 9700x and the 9600x based on Tom's Hardware 14 game[www.tomshardware.com] 1080p geomean. Closer to 9700x, but not quite as good. 9700x costs $326 according to their review. 285k costs $589 according to their review.

The 285k also performs worse than the 9700x[www.techpowerup.com] in geekbench, which is boding poorly for its prospects in general productivity tasks. Might as well just buy a 9700x and smoke a couple of Benjamins if that's the case.

The flagship Intel product only achieving the same perf. as a midrange A.M.D. processor that only costs half as much is an utter embarrassment to Intel, especially since the Zen 5 products didn't compare all that favorably to Zen 4 products according to launch day reviews in the first place.

The 245k only performs only about as well as a 5700x3D per Tom's Hardware, and the 245k has the benefit of 7200hz R.A.M., which I guarantee you the 5700x3D doesn't even have. That's a $309 entry level processor against a $200 Zen 3 processor.

They don't show where the 265k is, but we can infer it's worse than the 285k and it costs $400, meaning the 9700x is still the better value part

Intel claims they're attempting to reset to build back up in the future but for now that doesn't change the fact that Ultra series processors are looking like an awful value.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

If it helps, I am waiting for the next Nvidia Titan X release to start building my new system; although, I do already have a case, fans, and PSU (I buy parts on heavy sales throughout the year of build - last time I saved 50% or $1,200).

[Ontrix_Kitsune]

Originally posted by xfgevilhomer91:

My pc is getting close to 12 years old Wana talk to a pc expert on how to get a future proofed pc

"Future proofing" doesn't exist. You can't build a "futureproofed computer" as that's not possible. Also if you want to speak to actual experts I would suggest a real forum where actual experts are going to help you like https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/ or https://linustechtips.com/ or https://forum.level1techs.com/

You're not going to find a good answer on Steam and you shouldn't listen to any of the "suggestions" posted by anyone here. 99% of the people on steam have no idea what they're talking about when it relates to technology. You're better off re-posting this in one of the actual technical forums or the reddit page.

[CJM]

Originally posted by Ontrix_Kitsune:

Originally posted by xfgevilhomer91:

My pc is getting close to 12 years old Wana talk to a pc expert on how to get a future proofed pc

"Future proofing" doesn't exist. You can't build a "futureproofed computer" as that's not possible.

We do have some quantifiables, however.

The PlayStation 5 Pro was met with a collective laughter. This is a strong indicator of diminishing returns in hardware development.

The thermal issues encountered by IBM when developing the G5 Power PC processor remain relevant to this day, with newer processors utilizing "Turbo" or "Boost" temporary overclocks and dynamic clock speeds.

In the Windows x86 paradigm, designing multi-threaded code is a high value skill which is difficult to implement into video games. Epic Games may be able to make inroads in a long term product like Fortnite, but I haven't seen it turn into benefits for a game like Jedi: Survivor.

Finally, Windows 11 released on October 5th, 2021. Microsoft generally provides up to ten years of support, and software doesn't just stop being compatible when Microsoft stops supporting Windows. It is entirely possible to get at least 7 years out of a Windows 11 build, and ten years wouldn't be out of the question (LTSC support for IoT devices is out to 2034).

OP's current build is 12 years old, placing it as a probable 3rd Gen i7, which might have been upgraded to something like a GTX 1080, and 16GB of RAM. RAM and GPU tend to be fairly easy to upgrade.

A capable CPU, especially now, can carry a system for quite some time. AM4 had long tail upgradeability, and AM5 looks to be the same. A 7800X3D might last 'til the cows come home, or it may be possible to replace the CPU with something on AM5 that will work. I'd probably avoid Intel CPUs at current, given the voltage issues the 13th and 14th gen CPUs have had.

The Nintendo Switch 2 and Apple's M4 silicon do not seem to be shifting the market. Microsoft is not moving a lot of Qualcomm ARM chips compared to x86, so I wouldn't expect a sudden disruption. We probably need a new operating system on an NVIDIA CPU/SoC (Tegra?) to have any hope of disrupting the status quo, if such can provide more performance while creating less work for developers.

It might be time to start thinking "long term" 10-12 year cycles, rather than some obsolete notion of "future-proofing" against Moore's Law. 12 years for a gaming computer doesn't sound unreasonable anymore.

[AustrAlien2010]

If you were planning to use your PC for A.I. related processes, an A.I. probably knows what it needs to improve itself.

A PC expert would only say that you need to buy a PC for what you want to use it for.


I think you can do more with your PC, if you give it more means of input. Give your PC an eye-tracking camera for example, and this may end-up being used for gaming in the future.
But that's difficult to guarantee, because we cannot see in the future unless you envision it.
But having an eye-tracking camera would be one step towards a future in which that might be potentially possible for developers to use.

Being able to see where you look would be interesting to know. I you catch my meaning.

[r.linder]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nkvxrM

Futureproofing doesn't exist, what makes a configuration last a longer time is your own unchanging standards, if you only play older games then a system in your budget could handle 1080p 60fps for easily another 10+ years until the hardware inevitably fails altogether and has to be fixed or replaced

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

90% of stuff said in this thread is completely irrelevant to OP due to him having only $800 budget.

[AustrAlien2010]

Your computer can also not tell what your room-temperature is. These are all things that you can do, but not your computer. Even though your room temperature could be relevant data for all sorts of A.I. developments.

I know this sounds ridiculous, but I want people to think about this if they think about the future.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by xfgevilhomer91:

I want my pc to last a full 12 years or longer.

let's do between 500-800 dollars and see if that can land me somewhere good.

Not possible for any PC bought today to run AAA games released in 2036 at 1080p/60.

No PC bought in 2012 can run modern games like Final Fantasy 16 or BlackMyth Wukong. Not even the top tier GTX 680 from 12y ago.

[CJM]

Originally posted by C1REX:

No PC bought in 2012 can run modern games like Final Fantasy 16 or BlackMyth Wukong. Not even the top tier GTX 680 from 12y ago.

Setting that aside for the moment...

Originally posted by C1REX:

Originally posted by xfgevilhomer91:

I want my pc to last a full 12 years or longer.

Not possible for any PC bought today to run AAA games released in 2036 at 1080p/60.

The times are changing. Your stuck in the old Moore's Law way of thinking. Even Gordon Moore didn't believe his "law" could last forever.

Consider that Microsoft's requirement of a TPM module for Windows 11 marks a shift towards "planned obsolescence" in the wake of the x86 technology reaching a level of stable maturity, that is a plateau where Moore's Law no longer applies.

If technology progression has stalled, due to the limits of physics, then why wouldn't a computer bought in 2024 be competitive in 2036?

[C1REX]

Originally posted by CJM:

If technology progression has stalled, due to the limits of physics, then why wouldn't a computer bought in 2024 be competitive in 2036?

Bruh… :)

[CJM]

Originally posted by C1REX:

Originally posted by CJM:

If technology progression has stalled, due to the limits of physics, then why wouldn't a computer bought in 2024 be competitive in 2036?

Bruh… :)

Check MIT.

https://cap.csail.mit.edu/death-moores-law-what-it-means-and-what-might-fill-gap-going-forward

THE REALITY: MOORE’S LAW IS OVER

If you ask MIT Professor Charles Leiserson, Moore’s Law has been over since at least 2016. ...
He says, “the only way to get more computing capacity today is to build bigger, more energy-consuming machines. ...

Does this mean that the pace of progress we’ve all grown accustomed to will slow down? ...
What they concluded was that there are still significant gains to be had through software performance engineering,...

... software performance engineering offers a promising solution for adding substantial computing capability, even with the diminishing returns of technological advancements. “You can think about it like retirement,” Professor Leiserson says. “While you’re earning, it may be more productive to increase your earning ability than to cut costs. When you retire and are on a fixed income, you cut costs as your only option. The post-Moore era is like retirement.”

[C1REX]

AMD makes big improvements in CPU performance.
NVIDIA makes insane improvements in GPU performance.

It’s hard to build a $800 PC today to run FF16 and what about running ps6 ports?