New system - UPS?

[NicShadow_IT]

Hello.
Im planing to buy a new system (Alienware R16).
The PSU is a 1000W.
Advices for a UPS?

[PopinFRESH]

Diposting pertama kali oleh NicShadow_IT:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Iron Knights:

Ah, a trendies follower, well, go ahead, waste your money on Dell then.

Second time you blame me for my choice, without giving alternatives... It is not so much useful...
Anyway,
1. Im not a pc builder
2. as I not consider myself a "trendies follower".
As I said in another post, I was used to go to a local dealer to assemble a PC, but after 5 months waiting a quotation, I gave up with him and Im considering to buy a pre-build PC.
I have chosen Dell because searching the net for "the best gaming pc", on 15 different sites Alienware R15/R16 are the most mentioned.
If Im wrong, your suggestions for alternatives are welcome.

Where are you if you're not US? It's a bit harder to give recommendations for a pre-built without knowing which market you're in to know if said pre-built serves that market.

If you're budget is in that price range of $4K then there are significantly better options for pre-built from decent Systems Integrators vs Dell/Alienware which will use a lot of completely proprietary parts which you can't reuse and/or easily upgrade later.

Digital Storm
CyberPower PC
Falcon Northwest

I'd have included Origin PC but since they were purchased by Corsair they've gone down hill quite a bit.

You can configure a Digital Storm Velox desktop with a Ryzen 7800X3D, X670E motherboard, 64GB of DDR5 6000 memory, 2TB NVMe Samsung 990, an RTX 4090, and a 1000W PSU for that $4K price point. Way better than that Alienware and if you want to upgrade anything later on you'll still be able to reuse any of those parts as they are not proprietary.

[NicShadow_IT]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tonepoet:

Protecting a P.C. from power surges seems like a pretty odd reason to want a U.P.S. given that a surge protector should do the job, and the companies usually offer to cover the cost of damage of power surge damage components up to a certain amount. This $21 Tripp Lite series Protect It 6 outlet surge protector[tripplite.eaton.com] offers a lifetime warranty that covers $20,000 worth of damaged connected components. They’d probably make you jump through hoops to actually claim anything from them, but realistically I think the surge protector breaks before anything connected to it does, which is likely why the company feels confident in offering the insurance.

What a U.P.S. will do that a surge protector won’t is keep your computer on during a power outage. Maybe not for very long, but perhaps for just long enough to make a manual game save so you don’t lose an hour’s worth of progress since you made your last save in either a game or vital office work. Maybe even let you conduct a proper shutdown.

Mulling over the options, if I were to hook up a gaming computer up to a U.P.S., I think I’d hook it up to the Tripp Lite SMART1500PSGLCD[tripplite.eaton.com]900 watts should be enough for most gaming P.Cs.[/url] Also, the odds are your computer isn't running at full load.

For one thing, it actually advertises itself as being meant for gaming P.Cs., and for another, it looks like one of the cheaper options that provides pure sine wave power which indicates the power is clean and can be desirable for sound equipment too. Being able to supply 900 watts of power should be enough for most gaming P.Cs. anyway, and it comes with the $250,000 ultimate lifetime insurance.

It’s kind of expensive though, and something I don’t like about a U.P.S. is that it’s going to consume more power from the wall. They’re also kind of bulky. I don’t think I’d get one over a surge protector unless I lived in an area where blackouts are commonplace.

Diposting pertama kali oleh [☥:

- C] PCs components are capable of dying just from power loss alone, theres more to it than just power surges during an outage and when the power comes back online.

I've often unplugged computers because of system freezes and never experienced permanent damage from that. I kind of doubt this is a realistic concern as such. Granted, I don't usually use systems with super high-end components either.

Diposting pertama kali oleh [☥:

- C]
Why buy a cheap one for $20 when you can pay around $60 or slightly more for a UPS that does the same thing but ALSO can be used for emergency lighting?

Because you can
buy a couple of flashlights you can move around the house for $10[www.amazon.com] if you want emergency lighting and save $30? Because a U.P.S. can sometimes be as large as a small gaming P.C? Because you're probably going to have to replace the U.P.S. as the battery wears down, whereas if you can get a surge protector with a lifetime warranty it's a one time expenditure?

Also, it kind of eats a few watts of power from the wall so it represents more of a continuous cost.

Well unless you will actually be using 1000w it doesnt really matter…

Kind of makes one wonder how much power actually needs to be supplied. A $60 one meant to supply 255 watts of power isn't likely to suffice[www.amazon.com] if power shuts off while you're playing games.

An RTX 4070 Super alone can consume around 215 watts all by itself while gaming[www.techpowerup.com]. Nvidia is usually better than A.M.D. with power consumption if we compare like for like and cards are likely to become more power hungry than they are now in the future. The C.P.U. is going to be consuming some amount of power too.

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Anyway, there are genuine reasons to go for a prebuilt system. First you have a single contact point for warranty support, legitimate Windows keys can be rather expensive, if the discount is steep enough you might be spending the same (if not less) than the raw parts anyway and the monetary savings isn’t necessarily worth the time and effort spent if you’re earning good enough wages. I’m not going to fault the guy for wanting a pre-built system.

Second time you blame me for my choice, without giving alternatives… It is not so much useful…

We're not really sure what kind of spec you’re looking for to give you an alternative, but Lenovo’s having a “black friday in june” sale right now an this 7700/4070 Super[www.lenovo.com] based systemfor just $1600 is looking like a pretty snazzy deal. Weaker processor but stronger G.P.U. than the $1700 alienware, and Intel’s kind of having problems with their higher end chips. The upgrade prospects on AM5 are better than for an Intel motherboard.

Lenovo's a pretty good brand, and they tout that P.C. gamer game them some good reviews for some of their 5i towers. Here's one such review for a slightly different model in the same product line.

I'd honestly rather take an AM5/4070 Super configuration though.

1. Im not a pc builder

This is maybe going to sound crazy, but maybe you should be?

It’s not especially hard thing to do for the mostpart. Everything’s pretty modularized. The hardestand most fiddly bit is hooking up the front panel. You also have to be careful to insert the C.P.U. correctly so you don’t bend pins on the socket/C.P.U. ‘cause that’s the easiest way to turn a multi-hundred dollar part into a hunk of junk. Maybe installing an aftermarket heat sink can be a little difficult too. Everything else is rather plug ‘n play though.

Now considering that whatever system builder you work with is going to want their cut, you can stand to save a nice chunk of money by cutting out the middleman. How much of a chunk? Well, let’s try and build a system with equal or better parts compared to the Lenovo system:

M.S.I. Ventus RTX 4070 Super[www.newegg.com]: $570 after coupon and rebates.
Corsair 4000D Airflow[pcpartpicker.com]: $80
M.S.I. PRO B650-S Wifi[us-store.msi.com] $129
M.S.I. Mag A850GL[www.amazon.com] $90
32 Gigs Teamgroup T-Create Expert R.A.M. Overclocking 10L[www.amazon.com] $80
Ryzen 7700x[www.newegg.com] $245
Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE[www.amazon.com] $31
Teamgroup MP44L 1TB S.S.D. $58[www.amazon.com]
Windows 11 from Direct Games via Groupon[www.groupon.com] $15

570+80+129+90+80+245+31+58+15=$1298

I normally wouldn’t give a $15 windows license the time of day, but Direct Games is verified by Microsoft[appsource.microsoft.com], which seems legitimate enough to me. (The normal price of the key is like, $140[www.newegg.com])

You’re saving potentially $300 every time you want to build a computer in the $1600 price range. You’ll save more the more the more expensive the computer is. Once you’re experienced at it might take an hour or so to build a system.[apexgamingpcs.com]. Plus you're getting 32 gigabytes of R.A.M. instead of just 16, and the next processor up the product stack.

Now perhaps you’re one of the lucky few, in which case I hope you can forgive my presumptuousness given that you are to me, effectively a stranger, but the odds are your time is o’t worth $300 per hour based on your wages. Odds are, actually, that even at the $140 price point for full retail priced windows (in which case the price adjusted system costs $1423), your time isn’t worth $177 per hour based on your wages.

Even if it took you five hours with full retail windows pricing, that’d be an effective wage of $35.40 per hour under the old adage a penny saved is a penny earned, which is 40 cents above the average hourly wage[fred.stlouisfed.org]. It might take you about six hours the first time you do it[www.pcrefix.co.uk] since you’ll be fumbling around with the parts, but it’s something worth learning how to do for most gamers, considering how much you can possibly save.

It's not that it's so hard it's something that should take six hours to do. You're just going to be consulting the manual and building guides. Maybe making a few mistakes along the way.

Plus you can say maybe regain some of that time ordering Chinese takeout or pizza for the family instead of cooking. Gosh darnit, now look what you've done! You've gone and made me hungry. I need to go eat.:-P

Anyway, it kind of adds up. If you're 30, you're probably only going to live another 50 years. Let's say your upgrade cycle is 4 years long. You're going to buy another 12 or 13 computers in that time. 12x300=3,600. That's enough to build you another couple of $1800 computers if you want. Granted, by that time you won't have enough time left in your life to use 3 computers, but still...

Oh, well, thanks for your time!
I will read carefully your post having the time... :)

[NicShadow_IT]

Diposting pertama kali oleh PopinFRESH:

Diposting pertama kali oleh NicShadow_IT:

Second time you blame me for my choice, without giving alternatives... It is not so much useful...
Anyway,
1. Im not a pc builder
2. as I not consider myself a "trendies follower".
As I said in another post, I was used to go to a local dealer to assemble a PC, but after 5 months waiting a quotation, I gave up with him and Im considering to buy a pre-build PC.
I have chosen Dell because searching the net for "the best gaming pc", on 15 different sites Alienware R15/R16 are the most mentioned.
If Im wrong, your suggestions for alternatives are welcome.

Where are you if you're not US? It's a bit harder to give recommendations for a pre-built without knowing which market you're in to know if said pre-built serves that market.

If you're budget is in that price range of $4K then there are significantly better options for pre-built from decent Systems Integrators vs Dell/Alienware which will use a lot of completely proprietary parts which you can't reuse and/or easily upgrade later.

Digital Storm
CyberPower PC
Falcon Northwest

I'd have included Origin PC but since they were purchased by Corsair they've gone down hill quite a bit.

You can configure a Digital Storm Velox desktop with a Ryzen 7800X3D, X670E motherboard, 64GB of DDR5 6000 memory, 2TB NVMe Samsung 990, an RTX 4090, and a 1000W PSU for that $4K price point. Way better than that Alienware and if you want to upgrade anything later on you'll still be able to reuse any of those parts as they are not proprietary.

Italy.
Cyberpowerpc, I think the "local" store is in UK... I will take a look for the other 2.
Thanks for your reply :)

[PopinFRESH]

Diposting pertama kali oleh NicShadow_IT:

Diposting pertama kali oleh PopinFRESH:

Where are you if you're not US? It's a bit harder to give recommendations for a pre-built without knowing which market you're in to know if said pre-built serves that market.

If you're budget is in that price range of $4K then there are significantly better options for pre-built from decent Systems Integrators vs Dell/Alienware which will use a lot of completely proprietary parts which you can't reuse and/or easily upgrade later.

Digital Storm
CyberPower PC
Falcon Northwest

I'd have included Origin PC but since they were purchased by Corsair they've gone down hill quite a bit.

You can configure a Digital Storm Velox desktop with a Ryzen 7800X3D, X670E motherboard, 64GB of DDR5 6000 memory, 2TB NVMe Samsung 990, an RTX 4090, and a 1000W PSU for that $4K price point. Way better than that Alienware and if you want to upgrade anything later on you'll still be able to reuse any of those parts as they are not proprietary.

Italy.
Cyberpowerpc, I think the "local" store is in UK... I will take a look for the other 2.
Thanks for your reply :)

Also, if you aren't in a huge rush to get it (which I know you expressed you've been waiting for a local builder to give you a quote); I'd personally recommend waiting until the end of next month.

The Ryzen 9000 series is supposed to be available starting next month. And I'd concur with what the others have said right now considering the current issues with the 14th Gen Intel CPUs.

Next month you'll probably see a 9800X3D or whatever a replacement is for the 7800X3D is branded as; and you'll probably be able to get that with a 4090 for that same price point.

And Digital Storm does ship to Italy as far as I know but they don't have a local website for you. You'll just need to build it on their main system builder site and once you've finished you can email them the config number and explain you are wanting to order for the EU in Italy and they should be able to get you Euro pricing and shipping estimate.

Good luck and enjoy your PC when you get it.

[NicShadow_IT]

Diposting pertama kali oleh PopinFRESH:

Diposting pertama kali oleh NicShadow_IT:

Italy.
Cyberpowerpc, I think the "local" store is in UK... I will take a look for the other 2.
Thanks for your reply :)

Also, if you aren't in a huge rush to get it (which I know you expressed you've been waiting for a local builder to give you a quote); I'd personally recommend waiting until the end of next month.

The Ryzen 9000 series is supposed to be available starting next month. And I'd concur with what the others have said right now considering the current issues with the 14th Gen Intel CPUs.

Next month you'll probably see a 9800X3D or whatever a replacement is for the 7800X3D is branded as; and you'll probably be able to get that with a 4090 for that same price point.

And Digital Storm does ship to Italy as far as I know but they don't have a local website for you. You'll just need to build it on their main system builder site and once you've finished you can email them the config number and explain you are wanting to order for the EU in Italy and they should be able to get you Euro pricing and shipping estimate.

Good luck and enjoy your PC when you get it.

Eh, as I said in a previous post, I tried with a local build first... 5 months and no quotation, I gave up with him... So I was thinking about a prebuild pc...
About i7/i9... Reading around, its me or the problem is just with K (overclockable) CPUs? So a F should be more stable...

[PopinFRESH]

Diposting pertama kali oleh NicShadow_IT:

Diposting pertama kali oleh PopinFRESH:

Also, if you aren't in a huge rush to get it (which I know you expressed you've been waiting for a local builder to give you a quote); I'd personally recommend waiting until the end of next month.

The Ryzen 9000 series is supposed to be available starting next month. And I'd concur with what the others have said right now considering the current issues with the 14th Gen Intel CPUs.

Next month you'll probably see a 9800X3D or whatever a replacement is for the 7800X3D is branded as; and you'll probably be able to get that with a 4090 for that same price point.

And Digital Storm does ship to Italy as far as I know but they don't have a local website for you. You'll just need to build it on their main system builder site and once you've finished you can email them the config number and explain you are wanting to order for the EU in Italy and they should be able to get you Euro pricing and shipping estimate.

Good luck and enjoy your PC when you get it.

Eh, as I said in a previous post, I tried with a local build first... 5 months and no quotation, I gave up with him... So I was thinking about a prebuild pc...
About i7/i9... Reading around, its me or the problem is just with K (overclockable) CPUs? So a F should be more stable...

From what I've seen it appears to be an issue with silicon degradation and not limited/related to if its overclocked/overclockable.

Here is a good video from GN but I'd also recommend looking at what Wendell published for lots of details on the issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAE4NWoyMZk

If I were building a gaming PC right now I would be looking at an X670E AM5 board with a 9000 series Ryzen X3D version CPU. There are a lot of modern games which significantly benefit from the massive amount of additional cache on the X3D CPUs; and coupled with an RTX40 series card using DLSS3 any game that would typically be CPU bound will have significant performance increases.

And yeah waiting 5 months just for a quote is kinda ridiculous. I'd still say it's likely worth waiting for AMD to launch the 9000 series Ryzen CPUs; they were announced to launch "this month" so they should be available for orders early next month (e.g. in a few weeks.) and Hopefully the X3D versions for at least the top two will be launching shortly after.

Lastly, on your OP I'd agree with others that a decent surge protector is likely fine for most users; but if you want power sag/droop protection etc. then CyberPower Systems (UPS) are good options.

[NicShadow_IT]

Diposting pertama kali oleh PopinFRESH:

Diposting pertama kali oleh NicShadow_IT:

Eh, as I said in a previous post, I tried with a local build first... 5 months and no quotation, I gave up with him... So I was thinking about a prebuild pc...
About i7/i9... Reading around, its me or the problem is just with K (overclockable) CPUs? So a F should be more stable...

From what I've seen it appears to be an issue with silicon degradation and not limited/related to if its overclocked/overclockable.

Here is a good video from GN but I'd also recommend looking at what Wendell published for lots of details on the issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAE4NWoyMZk

If I were building a gaming PC right now I would be looking at an X670E AM5 board with a 9000 series Ryzen X3D version CPU. There are a lot of modern games which significantly benefit from the massive amount of additional cache on the X3D CPUs; and coupled with an RTX40 series card using DLSS3 any game that would typically be CPU bound will have significant performance increases.

And yeah waiting 5 months just for a quote is kinda ridiculous. I'd still say it's likely worth waiting for AMD to launch the 9000 series Ryzen CPUs; they were announced to launch "this month" so they should be available for orders early next month (e.g. in a few weeks.) and Hopefully the X3D versions for at least the top two will be launching shortly after.

Lastly, on your OP I'd agree with others that a decent surge protector is likely fine for most users; but if you want power sag/droop protection etc. then CyberPower Systems (UPS) are good options.

" they were announced to launch "this month" so they should be available for orders early next month (e.g. in a few weeks.) "
Mmmmhhh... Since ME Andromeda, I distrust about pre-purchases and purchases at day 1... :p
And in any case, there is always a better tech "coming soon" :p

[Rod]

X870e isnt out till 30th sept. Good luck vs scalpers so expect bkg prices low availability. All for usb4 and wifi7. Womp womp on the 9000 series so far as they look like very little to be excited about 15% ipc.


9000x3d will be the gaming cpu but is months away easily. Just buy a 7800x3d cyberpower pc now. If you are still insisting on intel and going to move goalposts like oh phew the hx is safe. Its still a dumb purchase.


Waste money on big power bill check
Waste money on e cores check
Waste money on price vs 7800x3d check


Intels by far the worst.

[Iron Knights]

Italy huh ? Well, here's a few builders that popped up first in a search:
https://blinkmypc.it/
https://www.pcspecialist.it/