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UPS's have surge protection built in
And No, a cheap surge protector IS NOT Better than a UPS.
Err i never claimed it was. I said it is completely unneeded. He thinks his 4000usd r16 will die with an electric surge. A cheao surge protector will protect any devices. Second a ups is for data preservation. He didnt mention anything about data. So yea ty for being unable to read and quotw and waste my time.
the psu can handle higher voltage than 110v power strips surge protector will allow past it
I only in 2015 added surge adapters. And not once did any electronic get harmed by a power cut. Maybe in the third world and some janky but in america or the uk? Therw should be clean stable power from a basic wall socket. If not report a fault and get that fixed.
You stating someone simply needs a CHEAP surge protector BY ITSELF was Incorrect, (In my opinion.) Can a simple known brand surge protector help? Sure. But with a UPS you get more use while also getting that same feature.
Why buy a cheap one for $20 when you can pay around $60 or slightly more for a UPS that does the same thing but ALSO can be used for emergency lighting?
I read your quote just fine, it just didnt make sense. If his PC actually cost anywhere near that much then paying slightly more for a proper UPS should not be an issue.
If I am doing something like patching, coding or searching for a security flaw I am not about to use a desktop anyway unless it's the target system. Even then, the test code and other information that's important is always on a laptop.
Since I use the desktops for playing games, I don't "trust" them anyway. I don't trust Windows for any kind of work unless it's a separate PC and enterprise + locked down I keep work and play separate at all times.
My experience with UPS is that they either die in 10 minutes of use doing gaming/physics simulation (in the past lol) or they never get used and fail after two years. Either way, wasted money, esp. since only the more expensive models allow you to monitor battery health and even then don't deliver the output they claim.
Plus it's impossible to tell if you got a lemon until it fails to meet your expectation. At that point it will be well out of warranty.
Anyway,
1. Im not a pc builder
2. as I not consider myself a "trendies follower".
As I said in another post, I was used to go to a local dealer to assemble a PC, but after 5 months waiting a quotation, I gave up with him and Im considering to buy a pre-build PC.
I have chosen Dell because searching the net for "the best gaming pc", on 15 different sites Alienware R15/R16 are the most mentioned.
If Im wrong, your suggestions for alternatives are welcome.
if in the us, check if you are near a microcenter
https://www.microcenter.com/site/stores/default.aspx
they have some good prebuilds
or worst case, if you pick parts, they can build it for about $100 over the parts cost
They die in 10+/- minutes or so because UPS's when used with PCs are MEANT to give you time to turn your PC off NOT to keep playing, that isnt what they are used for. If you want to keep using your PC during an outage thats what solar and whole home battery and generator systems are for.
Anyone that gets a UPS in order to keep using the PC while the power is out is simply misinformed about the function of a UPS.
Keeping some low wattage lights on or being used to keep devices charged during an outage on the other hand IS within the functions of a UPS to do so, for a couple hours at least depending on its VA.
along with another ups for the modem/router and other devices needed
if power is lost, sometimes phone (land line/dsl) or cable or fiber may also lost
What a U.P.S. will do that a surge protector won’t is keep your computer on during a power outage. Maybe not for very long, but perhaps for just long enough to make a manual game save so you don’t lose an hour’s worth of progress since you made your last save in either a game or vital office work. Maybe even let you conduct a proper shutdown.
Mulling over the options, if I were to hook up a gaming computer up to a U.P.S., I think I’d hook it up to the Tripp Lite SMART1500PSGLCD[tripplite.eaton.com]900 watts should be enough for most gaming P.Cs.[/url] Also, the odds are your computer isn't running at full load.
For one thing, it actually advertises itself as being meant for gaming P.Cs., and for another, it looks like one of the cheaper options that provides pure sine wave power which indicates the power is clean and can be desirable for sound equipment too. Being able to supply 900 watts of power should be enough for most gaming P.Cs. anyway, and it comes with the $250,000 ultimate lifetime insurance.
It’s kind of expensive though, and something I don’t like about a U.P.S. is that it’s going to consume more power from the wall. They’re also kind of bulky. I don’t think I’d get one over a surge protector unless I lived in an area where blackouts are commonplace.
I've often unplugged computers because of system freezes and never experienced permanent damage from that. I kind of doubt this is a realistic concern as such. Granted, I don't usually use systems with super high-end components either.
Because you can
buy a couple of flashlights you can move around the house for $10[www.amazon.com] if you want emergency lighting and save $30? Because a U.P.S. can sometimes be as large as a small gaming P.C? Because you're probably going to have to replace the U.P.S. as the battery wears down, whereas if you can get a surge protector with a lifetime warranty it's a one time expenditure?
Also, it kind of eats a few watts of power from the wall so it represents more of a continuous cost.
Kind of makes one wonder how much power actually needs to be supplied. A $60 one meant to supply 255 watts of power isn't likely to suffice[www.amazon.com] if power shuts off while you're playing games.
An RTX 4070 Super alone can consume around 215 watts all by itself while gaming[www.techpowerup.com]. Nvidia is usually better than A.M.D. with power consumption if we compare like for like and cards are likely to become more power hungry than they are now in the future. The C.P.U. is going to be consuming some amount of power too.
Anyway, there are genuine reasons to go for a prebuilt system. First you have a single contact point for warranty support, legitimate Windows keys can be rather expensive, if the discount is steep enough you might be spending the same (if not less) than the raw parts anyway and the monetary savings isn’t necessarily worth the time and effort spent if you’re earning good enough wages. I’m not going to fault the guy for wanting a pre-built system.
We're not really sure what kind of spec you’re looking for to give you an alternative, but Lenovo’s having a “black friday in june” sale right now an this 7700/4070 Super[www.lenovo.com] based systemfor just $1600 is looking like a pretty snazzy deal. Weaker processor but stronger G.P.U. than the $1700 alienware, and Intel’s kind of having problems with their higher end chips. The upgrade prospects on AM5 are better than for an Intel motherboard.
Lenovo's a pretty good brand, and they tout that P.C. gamer game them some good reviews for some of their 5i towers. Here's one such review for a slightly different model in the same product line.
I'd honestly rather take an AM5/4070 Super configuration though.
This is maybe going to sound crazy, but maybe you should be?
It’s not especially hard thing to do for the mostpart. Everything’s pretty modularized. The hardestand most fiddly bit is hooking up the front panel. You also have to be careful to insert the C.P.U. correctly so you don’t bend pins on the socket/C.P.U. ‘cause that’s the easiest way to turn a multi-hundred dollar part into a hunk of junk. Maybe installing an aftermarket heat sink can be a little difficult too. Everything else is rather plug ‘n play though.
Now considering that whatever system builder you work with is going to want their cut, you can stand to save a nice chunk of money by cutting out the middleman. How much of a chunk? Well, let’s try and build a system with equal or better parts compared to the Lenovo system:
M.S.I. Ventus RTX 4070 Super[www.newegg.com]: $570 after coupon and rebates.
Corsair 4000D Airflow[pcpartpicker.com]: $80
M.S.I. PRO B650-S Wifi[us-store.msi.com] $129
M.S.I. Mag A850GL[www.amazon.com] $90
32 Gigs Teamgroup T-Create Expert R.A.M. Overclocking 10L[www.amazon.com] $80
Ryzen 7700x[www.newegg.com] $245
Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE[www.amazon.com] $31
Teamgroup MP44L 1TB S.S.D. $58[www.amazon.com]
Windows 11 from Direct Games via Groupon[www.groupon.com] $15
570+80+129+90+80+245+31+58+15=$1298
I normally wouldn’t give a $15 windows license the time of day, but Direct Games is verified by Microsoft[appsource.microsoft.com], which seems legitimate enough to me. (The normal price of the key is like, $140[www.newegg.com])
You’re saving potentially $300 every time you want to build a computer in the $1600 price range. You’ll save more the more the more expensive the computer is. Once you’re experienced at it might take an hour or so to build a system.[apexgamingpcs.com]. Plus you're getting 32 gigabytes of R.A.M. instead of just 16, and the next processor up the product stack.
Now perhaps you’re one of the lucky few, in which case I hope you can forgive my presumptuousness given that you are to me, effectively a stranger, but the odds are your time is o’t worth $300 per hour based on your wages. Odds are, actually, that even at the $140 price point for full retail priced windows (in which case the price adjusted system costs $1423), your time isn’t worth $177 per hour based on your wages.
Even if it took you five hours with full retail windows pricing, that’d be an effective wage of $35.40 per hour under the old adage a penny saved is a penny earned, which is 40 cents above the average hourly wage[fred.stlouisfed.org]. It might take you about six hours the first time you do it[www.pcrefix.co.uk] since you’ll be fumbling around with the parts, but it’s something worth learning how to do for most gamers, considering how much you can possibly save.
It's not that it's so hard it's something that should take six hours to do. You're just going to be consulting the manual and building guides. Maybe making a few mistakes along the way.
Plus you can say maybe regain some of that time ordering Chinese takeout or pizza for the family instead of cooking. Gosh darnit, now look what you've done! You've gone and made me hungry. I need to go eat.:-P
Anyway, it kind of adds up. If you're 30, you're probably only going to live another 50 years. Let's say your upgrade cycle is 4 years long. You're going to buy another 12 or 13 computers in that time. 12x300=3,600. That's enough to build you another couple of $1800 computers if you want. Granted, by that time you won't have enough time left in your life to use 3 computers, but still...