Intel has a serous problem. 13xxx and 14xxx series.

[C1REX]

Some of you may know already but I share it for more awareness.

There is a serious issue with intel 13xxx and 14xxx CPUs that is becoming worse over time. There was an assumption it’s due to too aggressive motherboard default settings but it seems now the problem is worse and potentially due to silicone degradation.

If it’s premature degradation then it will only become even worse over time and no settings changes will help. Even servers are getting affected now that run on very conservative settings with relatively slow memory without XMP.

One of many videos explaining the problem.

https://youtu.be/UbrlSNxfr7c?si=pD9W1eMxhYXPM_DG

[Rod]

C1REX a écrit :

Rod a écrit :

ban them.

Do you know if people got steam VAC ban due to such corrupted files caused by intel cpus?

No idea gamers nexus quoted it with wendel that some admins might have to undo some bans. Idk what game.

[A&A]

ChickenBalls a écrit :

yes think again
you can run 7800x3d with 4090 and on a smaller cpu cooler and a good 850W instead of a large AIO and 1000W+ PSU if you have 13th or 14th gen i7/i9

Rod a écrit :

253 watts versus 120w. And the 253 watt chip LOSES in gaming. It also costs significantly more to be slower. And long term more power bills. Oh and remember to set your bios limits to 400a and lose some %. And now we see degradation.

For anyone to of boughy intel since the 5800x3d came out, Yall dun goofd.

Calamari Toast a écrit :

think again again

It seems we people are stuck comparing the stupid 13900K and 14900K with a X3D CPUs which start from $350 and mentioning because just they exist Intel must be in the trash bin as an option. Nope.

ChickenBalls a écrit :

but ever since AMD released 5800X3D there is no reason to run games on intel anymore.

This is the problem.

[C1REX]

A&A a écrit :

ChickenBalls a écrit :

yes think again
you can run 7800x3d with 4090 and on a smaller cpu cooler and a good 850W instead of a large AIO and 1000W+ PSU if you have 13th or 14th gen i7/i9

Rod a écrit :

253 watts versus 120w. And the 253 watt chip LOSES in gaming. It also costs significantly more to be slower. And long term more power bills. Oh and remember to set your bios limits to 400a and lose some %. And now we see degradation.

For anyone to of boughy intel since the 5800x3d came out, Yall dun goofd.

Calamari Toast a écrit :

think again again

It seems we people are stuck comparing the stupid 13900K and 14900K with a X3D CPUs which start from $350 and mentioning because just they exist Intel must be in the trash bin as an option. Nope.

ChickenBalls a écrit :

but ever since AMD released 5800X3D there is no reason to run games on intel anymore.

This is the problem.

Are high end options a problem?

[🍇🍉🍋‍🟩🍒🍟🍔]

I don't have this issue doubt i ever will cpu is never above 70c or above 1.2v 13900k.. been about a year now.....

[C1REX]

Banana a écrit :

I don't have this issue doubt i ever will cpu is never above 70c or above 1.2v 13900k.. been about a year now.....

If I understand the problem the voltage rises during single core boost. Check cinebench single and multicore benchmarks and if the voltage is OK.

[A&A]

C1REX a écrit :

Are high end options a problem?

They have just become a problem and can be seen.
If we look at the 1% lows, we can see there aren't huge differences so at this point there is no sense to get something anything higher than an i5 for gaming. i5 12600KF in Newegg costs $130. So for ≈5-10% less FPS (if we convert it to real numbers, for me becomes laughable), does it worth paying more for a CPU, or am I better off spending on something else for a PC?

12th and 13th/14th gen basically use the same core architectures and the only real difference can be found in the memory controller. Nothing else. I don't feel bad for Intel for not stopping self-sabotage and why the high end doesn't look like anything brilliant and right now some pieces of silicon may soon be in the trash can.

[C1REX]

A&A a écrit :

C1REX a écrit :

Are high end options a problem?

They have just become a problem and can be seen.
If we look at the 1% lows, we can see there aren't huge differences so at this point there is no sense to get something anything higher than an i5 for gaming. i5 12600KF in Newegg costs $130. So for ≈5-10% less FPS (if we convert it to real numbers, for me becomes laughable), does it worth paying more for a CPU, or am I better off spending on something else for a PC?

12th and 13th/14th gen basically use the same core architectures and the only real difference can be found in the memory controller. Nothing else. I don't feel bad for Intel for not stopping self-sabotage and why the high end doesn't look like anything brilliant and right now some pieces of silicon may soon be in the trash can.

Mid tier was always the best value. How is this a problem?

If the Intel problem is caused by single core boost clock then other CPUs may potentially be also affected but the degradation can take longer. ASUS showed us how quickly they can kill AMD cpus by rising SoC voltage. I will wait for more info and more clear conclusions.

It's also interesting how CPUs were causing GPU drivers crashes.

[A&A]

C1REX a écrit :

Mid tier was always the best value. How is this a problem?

If the Intel problem is caused by single core boost clock then other CPUs may potentially be also affected but the degradation can take longer. ASUS showed us how quickly they can kill AMD cpus by rising SoC voltage. I will wait for more info and more clear conclusions.

It's also interesting how CPUs were causing GPU drivers crashes.

It is not just the value. It's just that the amount you can max out for gaming isn't much, and you're basically getting a workstation processor. While the difference between a mid-level GPU and a higher-end GPU is much greater.

It will be interesting to hear if this problem also occurs on the Xeon E 2488 and 2486 because they have almost the same specs as the i7 14700K.


The intel instability and degradation rant by buildzoid
https://youtu.be/eUzbNNhECp4?si=IsgfPVYGM7gGUwbp

[r.linder]

Not so sure that 12th gen isn't having these issues at all, they could just be less pronounced, seem people having similar issues with the 12900K/KF/KS now as well, it's just not as common because not as many people bought them in the first place as AMD was just clowning on 12th gen. You're basically 10x more likely to see a 12400F or 12600KF user than a 12900K user.

[Illusion of Progress]

C1REX a écrit :

It's also interesting how CPUs were causing GPU drivers crashes.

It's not to me. It's pretty typical. A majority of things you see happening when there's an issue with the PC might be a cascading effect of what the underlying problem is, rather than the cause itself. Many issues cascade and result in other issues.

Think about how if you have a memory error, a program or driver might crash. They did so not necessarily because they are the cause, but perhaps because they became unstable because the system was unstable (bad hardware, or other software issue).

Troubleshooting can get complicated for this reason.

[C1REX]

Illusion of Progress a écrit :

C1REX a écrit :

It's also interesting how CPUs were causing GPU drivers crashes.

It's not to me. It's pretty typical. A majority of things you see happening when there's an issue with the PC might be a cascading effect of what the underlying problem is, rather than the cause itself. Many issues cascade and result in other issues.

Think about how if you have a memory error, a program or driver might crash. They did so not necessarily because they are the cause, but perhaps because they became unstable because the system was unstable (bad hardware, or other software issue).

Troubleshooting can get complicated for this reason.

I understand how this happened. Corrupted by the CPU data was fed to the GPU and crashing it. It’s still interesting how people were getting “out of VRAM” error or GPU drivers crash errors. It’s a great example and a reminder how misleading errors can be without a context.

[Illusion of Progress]

Yeah, there was definitely a "consistency" to it throwing an out of VRAM error, which could seem misleading.

It seems Alderon Games is straight up making a statement/accusation that Intel is "selling defective 13th and 14th generation CPUs" and that they "hope they recall these CPUs and refund consumers". That's a pretty bold claim, but... are they wrong to make it? Time will tell.

https://alderongames.com/intel-crashes

[Mabi]

Una volta si poteva chiamare i7 o i9. Ma questa nuova generazione solo icrash...

[Guydodge]

just use the intel base setting in bios if you dont have it get the latest update from your motherboard mfg.problem solved !

[C1REX]

Guydodge a écrit :

just use the intel base setting in bios if you dont have it get the latest update from your motherboard mfg.problem solved !

According to some experts this is not enough. Even server settings with low power and low voltage is not enough.