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You're wrong about bloat not being a problem, things like Atlas that use AME wizard to gut Windows 10 of bloat makes the OS run well on quad-core systems, of which the majority of users around the world still use 2~4 core processors. LTT even did a video on it and it has impressive results for even a 7th generation i5. Yes it makes less of a difference on 6+ core CPUs, but the difference is undeniably there.
Spying is not a weak argument, don't be ridiculous, nobody likes to be spied on, especially in the comfort of their own home, regardless of the reason they might have for it. Your information is not a resource for them to harvest and exploit like they do, it's just wrong. They track your keystrokes, they can listen through your microphone, they sell your browsing data, the OS is packed with spyware that you have to disable, but who ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ knows how much ♥♥♥♥ we don't know about that's hidden because it's closed-source? Simple, you don't, you can't say there isn't stuff we don't know about yet, so don't even try.
There is a lot of bloat that you can't fully remove from 10/11 without bricking the OS. Even fully removing Edge will render it unstable and broken because of the way that Microsoft intentionally made it. You can't change the default browser from Edge in 11 because they want you to use it, as they farm browser history from Edge and bing! to be sold to advertisers.
Windows isn't able to play all games, there's games on Steam that 10/11 can't run because they're incompatible, but they're forcing users of older (and compatible) operating systems to upgrade just to access their entire Steam library because they use Google's Chromium webhelper.
Some Linux distros are well on their way to becoming better but it's a slower process when people just avoid Linux because it seems less convenient. The fact you avoid it and choose Windows gives Microsoft more power to do whatever it wants, since they have no fear that people will stop using their glorified spyware.
Linux wouldn't cost money because it's all open-source software, you would have to make it closed-source, but there's practically hundreds of distros at this point. Good luck with that.
I don't think you understand how much Microsoft makes through just licenses their programs to companies. It makes them more than any information they gather.
Just their Microsoft Office product probably generate several thousand times more money than what they get from selling information.
Going by Steam 6 core CPUs is the leader.
Still just slap in an SSD and whatever OS you have will run much better.
I've had a couple of i5 gen CPUs, 2550, 6600 and 8400 or so. Don't remember the exact number name of them. But I was on Win8.1 with at least 6600 and I moved to Win10 when the free upgrade came.
Didn't have any problems running Win10 on it.
Everyone takes information. Every major site. Your current internet browser. All of the gaming clients. All of them do this.
It's just how it is now. Only focusing on Microsoft is a bit of a bias.
Microsoft also removes any identifiable information.
Edge is used for the OS desktop UI. So yes removing it completely will brick the desktop.
You can change the default browser and it's done real easy. Start up whatever new browser you download and it'll ask you. Windows won't bother you again with Edge unless you start it.
You believed that one rumor about how hard it was to change.
Egde is also as good as Chrome is. I've had to use it at work and it is no worse than Chrome. I personally find both of them bad and stick with Vivaldi.
Btw with Edge you also got quite a bit of options. You can prevent a lot of tracking being done on you if you want that. It's not hidden either.
You can change the search engine and switch to Google if you want.
I suppose you only trash it because it's the new Internet Explorer.
It can run far more games than any other OS on the market. That is a fact.
Windows 10 and 11 can run far more older games than you think. They made it pretty good at backwards compatibility.
LinusTechTips showed that getting some games to run on Linux was a massive pain. Linux users said "But you're not supposed to run THOSE games" which is a bit weird.
Hundreds of distros? Yeah and there is one Win11 that does all of the things those hundred of distros do and more. This is not a "gotcha" moment for you.
Linux is not ready for the masses.
2. Steam is not representative of the entire world’s PC user base. Most people are using old hardware.
3. Edge is spyware, so is Chrome. Not going to continue talking about that.
4. You’re ignoring the point. It’s not about widespread support, it’s about losing support for games that either won’t run or don’t run stable on 10/11 that some 7 users want to keep playing. They don’t want to lose access but they lose either way if they do or don’t.
5. The masses aren’t ready for Linux because it’s convenient for them to just stick to what the markets pushed on them for years. Linux is different, and requires a lot of learning, which people don’t like to do, especially as they age. But they’re playing into the hands of the likes of Microsoft, Google, Apple, etc. and allowing them to do what they please with their software because they don’t care to think.
1: No, they make money from selling their programs to companies. That information that users keep claiming they are selling probably isn't worth that much.
https://techbehemoths.com/blog/how-microsoft-makes-billions
Then this graph for
https://rest.techbehemoths.com/storage/images/posts/Microsoft_revenue_by_major_product_line.png
The userdata is most likely used for search advertising. Which is that purple line. Even Linkedin generate more money.
2: We're on Steam forums and Win10 upgrade talks is strictly because Steam isn't gonna work on win7 anymore. You're basically counting in every single Office PC that has Win7 on it but those would never be used for Steam. Counting them into this is pointless.
Those PCs might also just switch over to Chrome OS if it's only gonna be used for Office stuff.
3: Yeah um this sounds like you just hate Microsoft stuff and have no real argument.
Btw if you think your current browser isn't taking information you're wrong.
4: All of the games I've seen people listed have worked on Win10 with a patch or a fix. People only managed to suggest a handful of games but people got them working on Win10/11.
5: The Windows OS works and has worked fine for the past decades.
I'm not gonna bother with a new OS that can't run all programs, can't run all games, forcing me to learn how to code for it and more.
I haven't had Windows telling me that I can't do something. I doubt that will happen because when it does it will even make the most casual user of Windows to voice their opinion.
Nice!
I really want to learn BSD, but I haven't got a spare computer rn.
I just want to point something out and I'm not trying to start an ongoing debate or target you, but something I don't get is this...
It seems you made a lot of bold claims about the behavior or Windows and then almost wrapped it up with something to the effect of "who knows what else is going on we don't know about?".
I mean, it sounds like you do. If it's closed source and someone can't figure out what's going on behind the scenes, how are you implying that there's more going on behind the scenes than we know about?.
Not sure if you'd say "I didn't imply anything going on behind the scenes, I'm just questioning?". I really don't think it's that innocent. It seems like you are at 100% certainty there's a lot more going on. Zefar might as well tell you "It's closed source, so don't even try telling us what's going on behind the scenes as far as data collection".
Besides, do you think Microsoft just stops development on Windows because it's good enough already? The continuous updates say otherwise. The difference is nobody is keeping tabs on the closed-source nature of Windows. Nobody really knows what's in there except for Microsoft. Nobody is there to keep them accountable.
Of course Microsoft is a consumer-facing business, so it's in their best interest for them to release an OS that works at least. This is really all that matters to most users, and that's fine.
I will agree we won't know the full extent. But I would think it's safe to say that's a fair statement about any piece of software that connects to the internet. I do agree though.
But if we don't know the full extent, that leaves open possibilities ranging from "it's nowhere as bad as we thought" to "People will go to jail over this".
Your point as far as not trusting corporate entities (if that's an accurate way of putting it) is valid and sound advice. I don't disagree at all. If anything I might distrust them more than you. But, I suppose I am just much more careful in trying not to posture myself in such a way that I am almost rushing a guilty verdict or convicting someone of an act when I really don't have the proper technical data or proof to defend it.
You have a right to do what you're doing just like all of us commonfolk do. Technically I think you're still within your rights and if it's how you feel, it's how you feel. Bigger folks with actual higher profiles and more well known social status do need to be careful though, because their information really can cause harm even if they didn't intend it to.
With the Linux community, I get the impression nobody bothers checking the source code because everybody thinks everybody else has done it lol. This is how I feel and since I just typed a post basically on not rushing to conclusions, I don't want to say this is reality.
I do more highly suspect that the amount of source code "scrutinization" is highly blown out of proportion. I'm pretty sure most users of Linux are not actually scouring source code for vulnerabilities. The Linux population I see is mostly pleb-tier (not much different than the typical Windows user) who just wants to install the OS and move on to doing basic things. They can't even code. Sure, others will have more technical skills like compiling their own kernels, setting up servers, or ricing or something like that but not the kind of programming skills to dig through source code and fix it. I would think the people left over doing that are a much smaller number than what's typically quickly presented as a lumped group called "users".
That last paragraph is speculation on what I've gathered on Linux up to now, so I'm up to debate on how I'm right or wrong on it.
I've said this before and I will say it again, If Windows source code is closed (and therefore inaccessible) how does someone claim it's acting nefariously?. A lot of people are keeping tabs on Windows and it happens to be users who don't even know what's in the source code?.
Might as well pick a random house in a bad neighborhood and just claim "there's definitely illegal things happening in there, not sure why they don't go in there and stop it already" without providing proof.
Oh, that's basically what I just typed. I certainly don't scrutinize the source code, and as I said I wouldn't know what I was even looking for if I did. The very fact that the code is open and available to scrutinize is a comfort to me though, and I do put some degree of blind trust into believing that there are people out there who do know what to look for who scrutinize the hell out of it.
There's no proof one way or the other, but it's possible, and due to Windows being closed source it would be exceedingly difficult for anyone who knows what to look for to pick it apart and find proof. Whereas with Linux it's wide open for all to see.
While you can't pick that random house and prove there are nefarious things going on, with Linux the house is wide open for anyone to go inside and see for themselves whether there are nefarious things going on. You are right though, that whether or not anyone actually does so is a point of contention, but the very fact that it is open like that is comforting. It shows there's nothing to hide.
I do agree. But it seems seems like a double standard to me when the same people calling for MS to expose themselves and go "full transparency mode" moved to Linux out of privacy concerns.