Why do some of you still use windows 7

[Wipper]

I dont get it. Doesnt look better than windows 10 or 11. Tell me why

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I think it does look better. But to answer your question, because nothing Windows 10 or 11 offers would improve my experience. And the "muh security" people are fooling themselves. No device that connects to the internet is secure.

But one that isn't going to get patches for known exploits is decidedly less secure than one that said exploits are patched.

I might sound like I'm overthinking this and have gone like mental but I'll say it anyway.

There's a documentary called "The Unknown Known" (about the Iraq war but that's irrelevant). In that documentary he mentions three categories...

-The Known Known (things we know we know)
-The Known Unknown (things we know we don't know)
-The Unknown Known (things we don't know we don't know).

I kind of feel like some of us consider the 3rd category which might drive you crazy because how can you imagine something if you don't know what it is. Almost like trying to think of a color you've never seen.

But I keep such an open mind with Windows 7 that I basically assume assume my system is compromised and in these times it's actually pretty likely except you'll never know about it at this point with Windows 7 because nobody is supporting it and researching it and keeping tabs on it like they do for Windows 10 and other still supported OSes.

Meanwhile the people still using Windows 7 think of it as the second category which is the "Known Unknown" where they think they know but they have no idea because the deepest they get to thinking is that "Windows 7 is exploitable, however I have it locked down" not considering that there's a piece of malware already in their system they just have no idea. They think that If it hasn't gotten their attention and a ransomware is possible because they haven't gotten a Window yet notifying them of that. They probably think well, I haven't noticed anything sinister about my install so therefore "it's perfectly fine", where someone in the 3rd category would be like "it might be compromised just running without me knowing".

That's the way I kind of see it (I'm not trying to make it this deep, I just think this is happening). That's the only explanation I can think of.

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But one that isn't going to get patches for known exploits is decidedly less secure than one that said exploits are patched.

I might sound like I'm overthinking this and have gone like mental but I'll say it anyway.

There's a documentary called "The Unknown Known" (about the Iraq war but that's irrelevant). In that documentary he mentions three categories...

-The Known Known (things we know we know)
-The Known Unknown (things we know we don't know)
-The Unknown Known (things we don't know we don't know).

I kind of feel like some of us consider the 3rd category which might drive you crazy because how can you imagine something if you don't know what it is. Almost like trying to think of a color you've never seen.

But I keep such an open mind with Windows 7 that I basically assume assume my system is compromised and in these times it's actually pretty likely except you'll never know about it at this point with Windows 7 because nobody is supporting it and researching it and keeping tabs on it like they do for Windows 10 and other still supported OSes.

Meanwhile the people still using Windows 7 think of it as the second category which is the "Known Unknown" where they think they know but they have no idea because the deepest they get to thinking is that "Windows 7 is exploitable, however I have it locked down" not considering that there's a piece of malware already in their system they just have no idea. They think that If it hasn't gotten their attention and a ransomware is possible because they haven't gotten a Window yet notifying them of that. They probably think well, I haven't noticed anything sinister about my install so therefore "it's perfectly fine", where someone in the 3rd category would be like "it might be compromised just running without me knowing".

That's the way I kind of see it (I'm not trying to make it this deep, I just think this is happening). That's the only explanation I can think of.

That isn't something that documentary came up with. That is the Dunning-Kruger effect; and I'd agree with your assessment of its application.

• KNOWN KNOWNS - Information you know you understand. (e.g., demonstrable knowledge / skill; driving a car, how to walk, etc.)
  
• KNOWN UNKNOWNS - Information you know you don’t understand. (e.g., how to fly a plane, how to perform heart surgery, quantum physics, etc.)
  
• UNKNOWN KNOWNS - Information that you know, but you didn’t realize that you knew it. Bonus! (e.g., intuition, we didn’t realize we instinctively knew how to be a parent until it happens.)
  
• UNKNOWN UNKNOWNS - Information that you’re completely oblivious to. Not only do you not know it, you don’t even know that you don’t know it.

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Escrito originalmente por PopinFRESH:

Escrito originalmente por emoticorpse:

I might sound like I'm overthinking this and have gone like mental but I'll say it anyway.

There's a documentary called "The Unknown Known" (about the Iraq war but that's irrelevant). In that documentary he mentions three categories...

-The Known Known (things we know we know)
-The Known Unknown (things we know we don't know)
-The Unknown Known (things we don't know we don't know).

I kind of feel like some of us consider the 3rd category which might drive you crazy because how can you imagine something if you don't know what it is. Almost like trying to think of a color you've never seen.

But I keep such an open mind with Windows 7 that I basically assume assume my system is compromised and in these times it's actually pretty likely except you'll never know about it at this point with Windows 7 because nobody is supporting it and researching it and keeping tabs on it like they do for Windows 10 and other still supported OSes.

Meanwhile the people still using Windows 7 think of it as the second category which is the "Known Unknown" where they think they know but they have no idea because the deepest they get to thinking is that "Windows 7 is exploitable, however I have it locked down" not considering that there's a piece of malware already in their system they just have no idea. They think that If it hasn't gotten their attention and a ransomware is possible because they haven't gotten a Window yet notifying them of that. They probably think well, I haven't noticed anything sinister about my install so therefore "it's perfectly fine", where someone in the 3rd category would be like "it might be compromised just running without me knowing".

That's the way I kind of see it (I'm not trying to make it this deep, I just think this is happening). That's the only explanation I can think of.

That isn't something that documentary came up with. That is the Dunning-Kruger effect; and I'd agree with your assessment of its application.

• KNOWN KNOWNS - Information you know you understand. (e.g., demonstrable knowledge / skill; driving a car, how to walk, etc.)
  
• KNOWN UNKNOWNS - Information you know you don’t understand. (e.g., how to fly a plane, how to perform heart surgery, quantum physics, etc.)
  
• UNKNOWN KNOWNS - Information that you know, but you didn’t realize that you knew it. Bonus! (e.g., intuition, we didn’t realize we instinctively knew how to be a parent until it happens.)
  
• UNKNOWN UNKNOWNS - Information that you’re completely oblivious to. Not only do you not know it, you don’t even know that you don’t know it.

Well, yeah that's the first time I remember hearing it but I wasn't trying to say he came up with it. I'm not sure much else can be invented nowadays without copying something else.

But you do get my point. I wasn't sure if nobody else thinks about it (since only time I ever heard it explained or mentioned was in that documentary).

I guess it would have been exactly what I thought before the blaster worm came out for XP. That's when I learned about using a firewall. I had to learn a lot of things the hard way, luckily not so hard.

This is why I try to avoid going out in traffic nowadays. There is no known knowns. I'm still pissed off right now because of some road raging dude earlier today. There are only known unknowns and unknown unknowns out there. Sucks. I know this bit was TOTALLY irrelevant.

[Thermal Lance]

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That isn't something that documentary came up with. That is the Dunning-Kruger effect; and I'd agree with your assessment of its application.

• KNOWN KNOWNS - Information you know you understand. (e.g., demonstrable knowledge / skill; driving a car, how to walk, etc.)
  
• KNOWN UNKNOWNS - Information you know you don’t understand. (e.g., how to fly a plane, how to perform heart surgery, quantum physics, etc.)
  
• UNKNOWN KNOWNS - Information that you know, but you didn’t realize that you knew it. Bonus! (e.g., intuition, we didn’t realize we instinctively knew how to be a parent until it happens.)
  
• UNKNOWN UNKNOWNS - Information that you’re completely oblivious to. Not only do you not know it, you don’t even know that you don’t know it.

Well, yeah that's the first time I remember hearing it but I wasn't trying to say he came up with it. I'm not sure much else can be invented nowadays without copying something else.

But you do get my point. I wasn't sure if nobody else thinks about it (since only time I ever heard it explained or mentioned was in that documentary).

I guess it would have been exactly what I thought before the blaster worm came out for XP. That's when I learned about using a firewall. I had to learn a lot of things the hard way, luckily not so hard.

The blaster worm has a rather funny history behind it.

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Well, yeah that's the first time I remember hearing it but I wasn't trying to say he came up with it. I'm not sure much else can be invented nowadays without copying something else.

But you do get my point. I wasn't sure if nobody else thinks about it (since only time I ever heard it explained or mentioned was in that documentary).

I guess it would have been exactly what I thought before the blaster worm came out for XP. That's when I learned about using a firewall. I had to learn a lot of things the hard way, luckily not so hard.

The blaster worm has a rather funny history behind it.

Really? I do remember the funny message left in the header or the payload or whatever. Something about telling MS to "fix their stuff" or something to that effect. And how apparently whoever made it totally wasting it's potential by targeting the wrong Windows Update server.

[Thermal Lance]

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The blaster worm has a rather funny history behind it.

Really? I do remember the funny message left in the header or the payload or whatever. Something about telling MS to "fix their stuff" or something to that effect. And how apparently whoever made it totally wasting it's potential by targeting the wrong Windows Update server.

It was QUITE very often distributed with illegal copies of windows. It reached a point where the vast majority of infections were from people using illegitimate copies of windows. Even thought the virus wasnt limited to it.

[PopinFRESH]

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...Well, yeah that's the first time I remember hearing it but I wasn't trying to say he came up with it. I'm not sure much else can be invented nowadays without copying something else.

But you do get my point.

Yeah, I was just pointing out that what you were referring to has a name and has been studied.

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I wasn't sure if nobody else thinks about it (since only time I ever heard it explained or mentioned was in that documentary)...

Yep, David Dunning and Justin Kruger thought about it enough to study it and write multiple papers about it :) But more to your point, many people are in the 4th group regarding the Dunning-Kruger effect (among other things) and don't know they don't know.

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Really? I do remember the funny message left in the header or the payload or whatever. Something about telling MS to "fix their stuff" or something to that effect. And how apparently whoever made it totally wasting it's potential by targeting the wrong Windows Update server.

It was QUITE very often distributed with illegal copies of windows. It reached a point where the vast majority of infections were from people using illegitimate copies of windows. Even thought the virus wasnt limited to it.

lol, dang. I don't think I was one of them at that point. I used a legit Windows factory restore discs that came with my HP pre-built.

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...Well, yeah that's the first time I remember hearing it but I wasn't trying to say he came up with it. I'm not sure much else can be invented nowadays without copying something else.

But you do get my point.

Yeah, I was just pointing out that what you were referring to has a name and has been studied.

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I wasn't sure if nobody else thinks about it (since only time I ever heard it explained or mentioned was in that documentary)...

Yep, David Dunning and Justin Kruger thought about it enough to study it and write multiple papers about it :) But more to your point, many people are in the 4th group regarding the Dunning-Kruger effect (among other things) and don't know they don't know.

Yeah, matter of fact I will try to remember it's the 4 categories for respect of the actual study. I think he only mentions 3. He also mentioned about Pearl Harbor being "a failure of imagination" which also sounds true here. I doubt he came up with that but I like how it's presented when he said it. Problem is I'm all messed up because I imagine a lot of messed up stuff and that probably isn't good either. I'm too cynical. Sounds ironic because I trust Windows 10 enough to use it. I suppose I trust it because I don't care if they see my data or what I do online. I don't see ads anyway and I just don't care. If someone wants to see me talking crap online, have fun.

If anything Steam is more of an offender. They actually have a section that goes "things that may interest you" lol. I never seen that with a browser or Windows 10. Google sure when I log in (which I rarely do on my pc) or cookies have been saved but oh well.

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......Problem is I'm all messed up because I imagine a lot of messed up stuff and that probably isn't good either. I'm too cynical...

That also has a name and has been studied :) The Paralysis of Possibility. Some cynicism may be attributed to coping with it to reduce the perceived possibilities.

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......Problem is I'm all messed up because I imagine a lot of messed up stuff and that probably isn't good either. I'm too cynical...

That also has a name and has been studied :) The Paralysis of Possibility. Some cynicism may be attributed to coping with it to reduce the perceived possibilities.

Yeah, man. That's me.