Whats a good price for used i7 7700k

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I eventually wanna upgrade my from my i5 7500. Whaf sort of pricing should be considered a good deal

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Първоначално публикувано от Crashed:

There is no such thing as AVX-128 or AVX-256, both AVX and AVX2 are 256-bit. SSE series is 128-bit.

No game requires AVX512 or AVX10 at this time because even 12th through 14th Gen Intel support a maximum of AVX2.

Just a suggestion: you might want to try reading something before you embarrass yourself in public next time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions?useskin=vector

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Първоначално публикувано от 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Първоначално публикувано от Crashed:

There is no such thing as AVX-128 or AVX-256, both AVX and AVX2 are 256-bit. SSE series is 128-bit.

No game requires AVX512 or AVX10 at this time because even 12th through 14th Gen Intel support a maximum of AVX2.

Just a suggestion: you might want to try reading something before you embarrass yourself in public next time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions?useskin=vector

If you're talking about 12th Gen and AVX-512 that was never officially supported and Intel started physically fusing off the AVX-512 units.

[r.linder]

"The AVX instructions support both 128-bit and 256-bit SIMD. The 128-bit versions can be useful to improve old code without needing to widen the vectorization, and avoid the penalty of going from SSE to AVX, they are also faster on some early AMD implementations of AVX. This mode is sometimes known as AVX-128."

AVX-128 is a specific mode within AVX but it's not a dedicated instruction and should not be construed as such same goes for AVX-256 which is literally just AVX, which goes up to 256 bits, which is why AVX-512 exists.

Also:
"AVX-512 is disabled by default in Alder Lake processors. On some motherboards with some CPU microcode and BIOS versions, AVX-512 can be enabled in the BIOS, but this requires disabling E-cores.[29] However, Intel begun fusing AVX-512 off on Alder Lake processors produced in early 2022 and newer."

Alder Lake initially had support for AVX-512 when the E-cores were disabled, but after some time it was forcibly disabled with BIOS updates and after early 2022, it was physically fused off in manufacturing so more recently manufactured SKUs won't be able to use AVX-512 at all even if the BIOS version would have allowed it.
So even the i9-14900K doesn't have newer AVX support than Haswell processors like the 4790K, the only instructions that LGA1700 has over Haswell is TSX (for standard desktop CPUs) and SHA, which usually isn't going to stop anyone from actually running games. The massive difference in core performance and a lack of cores/threads would be the thing that makes modern games unplayable first.

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Първоначално публикувано от 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Just a suggestion: you might want to try reading something before you embarrass yourself in public next time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions?useskin=vector

Първоначално публикувано от 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

The 7700K does not have support for AVX-128, AVX-256, or AVX-512, only older AVX2. As a result newer games that will require AVX 128, 256, or 512 will not run on it.

Sigh... Please? No need to look for who the embarrassed one is. It's unnecessary.

https://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i7/Intel-Core%20i7%20i7-7700K.html
(Nowhere is mentioned AVX 128, 256 or 512. Even if I get a more recent models, no matter Intel or AMD, you won't see AVX128 or AVX256, because they just don't exist or you are refering to something else) Or wherever you open it from, Intel or AMD specs sheets, cpu-z, Hwinfo and ect. there won't be mentioned like this.

Not that I'm perfect, like this "AVX128", I was a bit confused that you mean AVX(1) instructions and somehow I haven't think of the max regestry , but it's 256 bits.

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Първоначално публикувано от A&A:

https://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i7/Intel-Core%20i7%20i7-7700K.html
(Nowhere is mentioned AVX 128, 256 or 512.

It's not mentioned because it doesn't support those instructions.

The bottom line is you stated that older processors will always be able to run all games. That's not true. Newer games will require things that the 7700K does not have and will not have at some point. This is the main reason why spending money on old hardware to use as an actual computer is pointless today.

The 7700K is already 7 years old. Just save your money and get something newer and modern.

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Първоначално публикувано от r.linder:

So even the i9-14900K doesn't have newer AVX support than Haswell processors like the 4790K, the only instructions that LGA1700 has over Haswell is TSX (for standard desktop CPUs) and SHA, which usually isn't going to stop anyone from actually running games. The massive difference in core performance and a lack of cores/threads would be the thing that makes modern games unplayable first.

7th and 9th generation eXtreme editions had AVX512. Otherwise Xeons have AVX512.

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Първоначално публикувано от 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

It's not mentioned because it doesn't support those instructions.

The bottom line is you stated that older processors will always be able to run all games. That's not true. Newer games will require things that the 7700K does not have and will not have at some point. This is the main reason why spending money on old hardware to use as an actual computer is pointless today.

The 7700K is already 7 years old. Just save your money and get something newer and modern.

Ok, wanna show ya i9 14900K?
https://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i9/Intel-Core%20i9%20i9-14900K.html

Ryzen 9 7900X3D?
https://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Zen/AMD-Ryzen%209%207900X3D.html

Where are your favorite instructions ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[r.linder]

Again, AVX-128 and AVX-256 don't exist as their own instructions because it's literally just AVX, the AVX instructions support both 128-bit and 256-bit SIMD. It's all the same freaking thing, AVX2 just expanded most vector integer SSE and AVX instructions to 256 bits.

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Първоначално публикувано от r.linder:

So even the i9-14900K doesn't have newer AVX support than Haswell processors like the 4790K, the only instructions that LGA1700 has over Haswell is TSX (for standard desktop CPUs) and SHA, which usually isn't going to stop anyone from actually running games. The massive difference in core performance and a lack of cores/threads would be the thing that makes modern games unplayable first.

7th and 9th generation eXtreme editions had AVX512. Otherwise Xeons have AVX512.

We're talking about desktop sockets like LGA1151, not HEDT and server sockets.

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Първоначално публикувано от A&A:

Ok, wanna show ya i9 14900K?
https://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i9/Intel-Core%20i9%20i9-14900K.html

Ryzen 9 7900X3D?
https://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Zen/AMD-Ryzen%209%207900X3D.html

Where are your favorite instructions ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ :tropicanstar:

You're completely ignoring facts just to "run off on a tangent" about complete nonsense now. I thought this was an actual conversation but you just proved that you're not actually discussing anything here. You're just trying to start drama and arguments for no reason. I should of seen it sooner. I must be getting old. I'm not spotting the obvious trolls as fast as I used to.

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Първоначално публикувано от 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

You're completely ignoring facts just to "run off on a tangent" about complete nonsense now. I thought this was an actual conversation but you just proved that you're not actually discussing anything here. You're just trying to start drama and arguments for no reason. I should of seen it sooner. I must be getting old. I'm not spotting the obvious trolls as fast as I used to.

Well, the actual discussion or maybe it's an audition (lol) has ended a long time ago. I asked a question that went unanswered by you staying ignorant and posting what AVX is from wikipedia telling someone else in an indirect way to ♥♥♥♥ off, meanwhile you still haven't read what it says inside. btw @r.linder copied it from the wiki and interpreted it in which "umffp uhhhh aKtshUaLi" you don't know what you are reffering to.
Let me remember you my question.

Първоначално публикувано от A&A:

Ok and which games require "AVX-128"?

And...

Първоначално публикувано от 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

It's not mentioned because it doesn't support those instructions.

The bottom line is you stated that older processors will always be able to run all games. That's not true. Newer games will require things that the 7700K does not have and will not have at some point. This is the main reason why spending money on old hardware to use as an actual computer is pointless today.

The 7700K is already 7 years old. Just save your money and get something newer and modern.

You are interpreting my words that the I7 7700K will always work fine, take a closer look! Where did I mention the AVX512? Not included in the text. And that's the reason why I showed you the i9 14900K and the Ryzen 9 7900X3D, I even noted that if you look at the latest models or you want to look somewhere else, if you don't like the website, you can, but you won't find these " instructions" written according to a fox who thinks he's or maybe she's the center of the world.

Първоначално публикувано от A&A:

Even if I get a more recent models, no matter Intel or AMD, you won't see AVX128 or AVX256, because they just don't exist or you are reffering to something else)

Първоначално публикувано от A&A:

I am not saying it is gonna work.
And yes they also come with extra instructions but seriously who is going to release a game that will run on consumer grade CPUs with AVX512/AVX10.1 (Not to mention AVX10.2 which will be 256bits like AVX2, but with new instructions) that are certainly under 5% and not only that. Most consoles won't be able to run it. If developers want to make the game to use more CPU, they can use more cores, which is better done than not.

And if you still think your claim that I'm still "misleading" is valid. I'm sorry to disappoint you. You're taking things out of context AND AVX512 will become a problem when processors with these instructions become many and developers start creating programs for them, so we're speaking the same language, but someone's vocabulary is certainly full of radically different meanings.

And speaking of facts, I'm sure you can't bring any to the table, and even if you did, Aristotle would already be rolling in his grave.

btw you were the one who cried the other day for giving false information and a quick check on google would have solved the "misleading problem" in the Steam forums (pls, look at OT and try to solve it there and what is the point of the forums then :D) or whatever it was meanwhile you are playing the victim.
It may seem to you that I quoted more text than I wrote... Naturally, they speak for themselves.

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Oh look, more misinformation and nonsense.

1. A&A was literally the second person to comment on this thread, way before you showed up to spread misinformation about what the i7-7700K can actually run.

Look at comment #2 here:

Първоначално публикувано от A&A:

Less than $100?
But yeah, save up and upgrade to a better platform.

2. You were wrong about AVX, the link you provided while rudely suggesting that they read before they embarrass themselves (ironic foreshadowing) proves that, because AVX instructions support both 128-bit and 256-bit SIMD, with AVX2 just being an expansion on AVX. AVX-512 introduced 512-bit expansions to 256-bit AVX SIMD instructions, that's why it's called AVX-512, but because of that you falsely assumed that AVX-128 and AVX-256 were separate instruction sets from AVX and AVX2, they aren't.

Just accept the fact that you were wrong and move on, better yet actually admit to it and gracefully move on instead, people actually might respect you and take you seriously afterwards instead of a troll like you call everyone else.

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Първоначално публикувано от A&A:

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Nice try there bud but I'm not arguing with you on the internet. You can either argue with yourself or go find someone else to argue with. It won't be me.

Първоначално публикувано от r.linder:

Just accept the fact that you were wrong and move on, better yet actually admit to it and gracefully move on instead, people actually might respect you then.

Seeing a comment about "You were wrong" is super funny coming from you, the person that wrote in the steam forums that it doesn't matter if anyone is correct or not.

Here. I'll take a moment to remind you of your words, again:

Първоначално публикувано от r.linder:

Първоначално публикувано от 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Look: I know you don't care if what you comment in the steam forums is factually correct or not (you get stuff wrong all the time) but the rest of the world does care though.

It doesn't matter

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Първоначално публикувано от 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Първоначално публикувано от A&A:

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Nice try there bud but I'm not arguing with you on the internet. You can either argue with yourself or go find someone else to argue with. It won't be me.

Първоначално публикувано от r.linder:

Just accept the fact that you were wrong and move on, better yet actually admit to it and gracefully move on instead, people actually might respect you then.

Seeing a comment about "You were wrong" is super funny coming from you, the person that wrote in the steam forums that it doesn't matter if anyone is correct or not.

Here. I'll take a moment to remind you of your words, again:

Първоначално публикувано от r.linder:

It doesn't matter

Thanks, this is pretty enlightening for people to see the kind of person you are, consistently refusing to accept the truth and calling people who corrected you trolls when you're the one that's being corrected the same way you do to others.

I would at the very least expect that someone like you, who claims to spread only the truth and corrects false information, would care to hear when you're wrong and accept that because you obviously take strangers' words seriously as if all of existence depended on it.

What I said and implied (which you snipped) was that the comments of random strangers shouldn't be taken so seriously, because they're nowhere near as important as the wealth of information on the internet from accredited sources like the people and corporations that actually manufacture and develop these things for a living. You take casual discussion way too seriously and you end up doing the same things that you accuse and criticise others for.

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Първоначално публикувано от r.linder:

What I said and implied (which you snipped) was that the comments of random strangers shouldn't be taken so seriously, because they're nowhere near as important as the wealth of information on the internet from accredited sources like the people and corporations that actually manufacture and develop these things for a living. You take casual discussion way too seriously and you end up doing the same things that you accuse and criticise others for.

This is the second time you've tried to "spin around" your words to try and weasel out of it. It didn't work the first time and it won't work this time. You actually wrote that it doesn't matter if people are correct or not in the steam forums. Your words. You said it. I'll link to it and remind you again and again and again, as many times as necessary and every time you try to claim someone is wrong in the steam forums (me or anyone else).

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Първоначално публикувано от r.linder:

Oh look, more misinformation and nonsense.

1. A&A was literally the second person to comment on this thread, way before you showed up to spread misinformation about what the i7-7700K can actually run.

Look at comment #2 here:

Първоначално публикувано от A&A:

Less than $100?
But yeah, save up and upgrade to a better platform.

2. You were wrong about AVX, the link you provided while rudely suggesting that they read before they embarrass themselves (ironic foreshadowing) proves that, because AVX instructions support both 128-bit and 256-bit SIMD, with AVX2 just being an expansion on AVX. AVX-512 introduced 512-bit expansions to 256-bit AVX SIMD instructions, that's why it's called AVX-512, but because of that you falsely assumed that AVX-128 and AVX-256 were separate instruction sets from AVX and AVX2, they aren't.

Just accept the fact that you were wrong and move on, better yet actually admit to it and gracefully move on instead, people actually might respect you and take you seriously afterwards instead of a troll like you call everyone else.

What actually happened is I posted information that was correct and even showed a direct link to wikipedia to back up my claim as true. Instead of people just accepting what I wrote as true they decided to try and write combative comments attempting to anger me and engage me in a "back and forth" internet argument. This tends to happen quite a lot in the steam forums.

Almost every steam forum thread involving technical information will always have someone come in and just burst out the "You are wrong!" comment then proceed to go on and on and on about "You're wrong! You're still wrong! Accept that you're wrong! Go away and quit commenting because you're always wrong!" etc, etc. All just because they don't like what someone else wrote.

Any time anyone ever says "You're wrong" at all for any reason in the steam forums that is the "Trigger phrase" to identify that they're trying to bait people into arguments. That's the only reason for anyone to ever write that comment: Hoping they can start an argument. When ever I see it I immediately stop responding seriously and just drop it all together because it's argument bait again.