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If it's an older DirectX 11 or a DirectX 9 (which a lot of my games are) then even high framerates of FPS on some of them with such GPUs is possible.
4070 (Super) is in my benchmarks is really overkill. That's why I was looking for cheaper options first before pulling the trigger on a really expensive GPU.
RTX 3080 is really expensive in my country, even when talking second hand.
It costs almost the same as a new 4070, so it's unfortunately a no go for me.
The 6800 sounds really attractive but it's 400 euros in my country so in other words, priced off quite close to a 4070 (500e)
What about the 2080 Ti ?, assuming I can get it for around 300 bucks? It's harder to get at a reasonable than the alforementioned 3070, but it seems to have everything i want atleast for 60 FPS at newer games and even 144 FPS in my older games.
I am also considering going the 3070 route as all of my games (even the new ones) don't go above 8GB VRAM in usage unless you go with really high resolution and settings which i am not planning to do but I am waiting for one to go way below the price of a 6750 XT/4060 Ti, so VRAM sacrifice but atleast worth it in some way or another. I am hoping to get the 3070 way below the 300 euro range (250-280 Euros).
I haven't chosen the 4070 Super as my final choice yet. I also have very little to no interest in raytracing. The only NVIDIA feature I am even a bit remotely interested in is DLSS and only for the sake of getting more FPS without trashing the quality of the image much and even then I prefer raw rasterization over some software tricks.
I apprieciate your honest feedback, especially when it's coming from another former 1060 user switching to AMD and I will put it into consideration but i will try to look for cheaper alternatives first nonetheless before shelling out 500-600 Bucks on a GPU which will very likely go unused in my use case.
I forgot to mention that I only have a 650W PSU (Seasonic Focus Gold). so I might have to factor in an additional cost of getting a new beefier PSU, as anything above a 6800 non-xt recommends a 750W PSU or better.
It's not a must have, I just said I haven't had anything from AMD's side of GPUs in over a decade so I am just careful, that's all.
I also once again, absolutely forgot to mention in my original post that I ony have a 650W PSU (Seasonic focus gold PSU), so going above 6800 on the AMD side might warrant an additional cost of getting a new PSU as well.
Unfortunately, way out of my price range...
4070 Ti goes for 700e in my country.
Also might require a PSU change on my side + 1440p/144hz is still insanely hard to drive, and would require me to change out hardware very often.
6750 GRE is unfortunately not available in my country. The closest thing we have is a 6700/6750 XT.
From the installed list of games I have: GoldSrc Games, A lot of Source 1 Engine games, AOE 2,DayZ, Arma 3, CS2, Space Engineers, Serious Sam 1-4, PUBG, Crysis 2, RDR2, Barotrauma + a bunch of really light games.
I am planning to Helldivers 2 and Escape from Tarkov, and some RTS games with the Helldivers 2 being the most demanding on the list, but don't want to buy a expensive, GPU just for that single game. I also have no issues of dropping settings for me to get better FPS.
Buuuulllshit, there are only a handfull of titles where the 4070 wins, stop spreading false information. I'm using actually reputable sources compared to your nonsense site with a UI design from the year 2000. (technical.city? what?)
A regular 4070 without DLSS and other gimmicks is not 12% better then a 7800XT, the 7800XT is better in pure rasterization, always has been.
I quote;
We analyzed all 56 configurations tested at 1080p. The performance between these two GPUs is quite similar. The Radeon 7800 XT is on average just 3% faster. While there were instances where the Radeon GPU outpaces its counterpart by a margin of 20% or more, there were also cases where it lags by 20% or more
Excluding the ray tracing data, the Radeon 7800 XT is 5% faster on average. Although there are numerous instances where the Radeon GPU is notably faster, the majority of games show marginal differences between the two.
At 4K, the Radeon 7800 XT achieves its largest lead yet over the GeForce RTX 4070 at 8%, boosted by significant victories in Hogwarts Legacy (with ray tracing) and Assassin's Creed Valhalla. Without these outliers, the 7800 XT's lead shrinks to 6%, making the competition almost a tie.
So let me recap so you'll finally understand this time:
At 1080P a 7800XT is 3% faster
At 4K a 7800XT is 6% faster
On average a 7800XT is 5% faster
https://www.techspot.com/review/2736-geforce-rtx-4070-vs-radeon-7800-xt/
Even your nonsensical claim that a 4070 super is stronger then a 7900XTX has been disproven repeatingly by none other that Nvidia's most centric GPU review site gpu.userbenchmarks! And yes that also includes a 4070 TI super, 7900XTX is still more powerfull.
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-4070-S-Super-vs-AMD-RX-7900-XTX/4154vs4142
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-4070-TS-Ti-Super-vs-AMD-RX-7900-XTX/4155vs4142
We can disagree on featuresets between the 2 brands, where Nvidia still has the lead (CUDA & DLSS), but i will not let you spread completely false information that has been disproven time and time again.
That is always a good course of action.
For me personally, RT makes all the difference in Cyberpunk, but it's certainly not "required" to play and enjoy the game.
Going through your opener, I would personally say bite the bullet and get the 7800 XT. AMD drivers are solid now, it has 16 gigabytes of memory which is important if you want your card to last long, and, if you don't get a high res high refresh monitor (like 4K), it has enough raw power to give you satisfactory experience.
If you stay at 1080p, but go high refresh, it's not ideal to bet on AI tricks like DLSS because any upscaling at 1080p is terrible.
Eh? You're dutch, right? Ergo from the netherlands. Yestonstore has a drop-down list of countries they are willing to ship to, and the Netherlands is included on it.
They also Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Chechzia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hong Kong, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Kuwait, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macao, Malaysia, mexico, New Zealand, norway, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Romania, Saudi Arabia, Serbia, Singapore, Slovenia, South Korea, Span, Sweeden, Switzerland, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates, the U.K. and the U.S.A.
Plus I found their F.A.Q. buried in the site's about menu since then. Not only do they claim to ship to most countries and regions, but they have this section:
They ship from China. knowing that, if you're in the netherlands, duty customs might add 21% V.A.T. to the price based on the value of your merchandise[dfhfreight.com].
$269 U.S.D. is 245.15 Euro, so you're expecting to spend 51.48 euro at most, if their price isn't considered V.A.T. inclusive.
If you can't get it at that brings the price up to 296.73€, plus $10 (9.11 euro) shipping based on what I saw from the netherlands. So at most I'm anticipating you spend 305.84€ to get it in the netherlands. A bit of a premium, but it falls within the middle of your lowest price range, and is still cheaper than the 6750 xt. That's perhaps more than I was hoping you might have to pay, but it's still cheaper than the cheapest 6750 xt on Amazon.nl (332.00€)[nl.pcpartpicker.com], even if V.A.T. is added on top of the base price, rather than included.
The XFX 319 Speedster 6750xt has two more gigabytes of V.R.A.M., and that may very well be worth the extra 26.16€ just to future proof the card a bit though.
I definitely initiated (but did not complete) the checkout process to see what they might charge to ship to the Netherlands.
They have a few products that are only available to ship in the U.S.A., but that's mentioned on the item page, and the 6750 G.R.E. is not among those. I initiated the checkout process using an example address from the Netherlands, so I do have reason to believe they will ship to you.
It's rather peculiar for me to see that Yeston is possibly one of the cheaper options though. They're mostly known for aesthetic design cards that cost a premium over the base models, most especially including their anime "waifu" cards and most of their products are overpriced. The Yeston Game Ace Radeon RX 6750 G.R.E.[yestonstore.com] actually looks a fair bit like one of their Waifu cards, except without the anime girl branding and backplate, and they also have a more traditional black card [yestonstore.com] if the aesthetic weirds you out.
In fact, come to think of it, the black one is only $259 U.S.D., so it actually merits a recalc:
236.08€
51.93€ V.A.T. maybe
9.11€ shipping
Estimated upper cost: 297.12€
Oh right. The Paypal Currency Conversion fee is 4.5%, so final cost might be more like 319.6 for the gamer ace, and 310.49 for the black one, but if they accept euro then that won't be a problem, and you might be able to find more favorable rates (2 or 3 percent[www.investopedia.com]) via a credit card.
Maybe you'll want to send them an inquiry. If Yestonstore really refuses ship to you, then you might want to mention which country you are in, because we actually need to know your local marketplace pricing to give you sound purchasing advice.
Anyway, something else you should consider in your 500€ price range is the RX 7900 G.R.E. It was originally slated for just the Chinese market, but after Nvidia released the Super Refresh, A.M.D. decided to release the 7900 G.R.E. internationally as a response, likely to compete with the 4070 Super in particular.
It seems to be the same age old tale of A.M.D. wins in raw rasterization and Nvidia wins with ray tracing. Cross reference with techradar[www.techradar.com] and techspot[www.techspot.com] comparisons of the cards.
Sweetening the pot a little is the fact that like most A.M.D. rivals, the RX 7900 G.R.E. is a bit cheaper:
The cheapest of the RX7900 G.R.Es. in the netherlands are the XFX RX-79GMERCB9[nl.pcpartpicker.com], the Asrock Challenger[nl.pcpartpicker.com] and the Powercolor Fighter O.C.[nl.pcpartpicker.com], all priced at 593€ at megekko, although the Gainward Ghost RTX 4070 Super[nl.pcpartpicker.com] is only 605€ from Alternate.
You're only saving 12€, since you don't particularly care about Ray Tracing much, I'd think the RX 7900 G.R.Es. would be more useful to you than the 4070 Super based on in-game perf, metrics and a free lunch is just a nice bonus on the side. Techspot claims it's 6% faster than rasterization on average.
Granted, the 7900 G.R.E. isn't as good as the 4070 Super at ray tracing. It's a rather large loss. However, considering it's a step up the stack from the 7800 xt, I'd expect it to outperform the 7800 xt at ray tracing. I'm not even going to check because that's just the natural conclusion one would have to draw. If such is the case, then it might be beneficial to go with this higher up the stack option in case you change your mind and do decide to start dabbling in ray tracing, as a compromise between the 7800 xt and the 4070 super. Ignoring it altogether might not be wise if it becomes more important in the future. It was originally anticipated to replace rasterization, rather than supplement it, if I recall correctly.
There's also speculation on overclocking the RX 7900 G.R.E. to perform more like the 7900 XT since they're based on the same die and share similar parts[www.overclock.net]. I don't really think about overclocking much though, so the last I heard of that was that A.M.D. claimed their overclocking restrictions were a bug[www.tomshardware.com]. It seems as if those restrictions were lifted with 24.3.1 drivers in march though[www.techpowerup.com].
Overclocking is at your own risk, but here's the rub on that: If you buy a used card like the 2080 ti you don't get a warranty to void anyway, so you might consider taking the chance to effectively save what? Looks like 139.50€ 'course overclocking a more expensive part carries a greater risk of loss if you screw it up and brick the device though.
What about Sapphire?
Now do you you want me to pull up the dozens upon dozens of security vulnerabilities that have affected various CPUs, both AMD and Intel, over the last few years alone?
If you think only AMD CPUs have security vulnerabilities, I have some very well priced oceanfront property in Mongolia to sell you.
Even if you use real world data, there's going to be variance due to differences in methodology and what software is used. This means the best answer has always been to look at the landscape of results (ignoring the obviously wrong outliers, which does take some knowledge or familiarity to identify), and then constructing an overall picture.
TechPowerUp's relative GPU performance chart and Tom's Hardware's GPU Heirarchy, while they are by no means absolute and entirely, always correct, are usually good enough if you lack anything else at all.
An RX 580 is about a GTX 1060.
An RX 6600 is about a GTX 1080
An RX 6600 XT is about a GTX 1080 Ti, which is about twice the GTX 1060.
The RTX 3060 12 GB is somewhere in-between the RX 6600/GTX 1080, and RX 6600 XT/GTX 1080 Ti
From there, you can make an estimate to just about anything.
Those above claims are a bit loose (and will vary in some situations) but they can start to give you a good enough idea instead of having to rely on random, incorrect guessing websites.
Besides, the person I was asking that to was seeming ignoring all real world data and using that theoretical/aggregate website in place of that, as opposed to, say, filling in some gaps with it. Big difference.
But I appreciate very much all the effort made!
As for the rest of the text.
7900 GRE apparently doesn't sell in my country anymore. It used to a few months ago, I saw a few models popping up on some retailers websites, but no retailer in my country has any remaining in the stock right now.
I am still trying to find out whenever my there are cheaper alternatives for my use cases other than shelling out 500-600 bucks for a GPU.
We can debate about security vulnerabilities and sell very well priced Mongolian oceanfront property later.