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intel is stagnating like people could have never imagined
I'm kind of an intel fanboy (one does not buy an 1600 euro intel x99 cpu if one is not)
and even I have to admit.. intel today... is a bad option...
seeing how fast intel could drop price and launch cpu's with more than 4 cores that did NOT cost so much... did show.. they were scamming us all the time when amd was slacking...
it always used to be for a long while : intel.. performance king, and stability king (which is why EVERY buisnuispc exclusively ran intel)
amd, budgetking..
so if you had unlimited funds and just wanted the best.. you went intell.. if your budget was tighter and not cared the occational bluescreen of death.. if that ment saving 20% of the price off your build while having 95% the same performance.. you went with it.
I reallly really not liked when ryzen launched.. it crashed the 2d hand value of my expensive intel cpu...
I still think amd chips are less stable.. (which is why intel still has marketshare.. the offices are slow to convert)
but amd currently has not just the cheaper chips.. they now actually perform BETTER than intel chips.. and run at much more sensible powerdraw..
so now it's do you want to pay 40% less for 20% more performance, while saving 10% on your systems energuse and have it run cooler.. so less trottling..
or do you want less performance for more money... while also having to pay more money to cool it.. and even more money to pay your utility bill to run it?
intel today is amd fx chips of 2016.. not to taken serious..
even I as an intel fanboy would not advise anybody to buy an intel based system today.
heck even offices slowly start to convert to amd. which may mean amd will become more stable...
and unlike intel did when they were as dominant like this in 2016... amd is not charging 1000+ euro for their chips.
-> I still do hope intel bounces back.. and takes the crown back... but for now.. team blue.. is out the race...forget cheering on this years olympics... they not even qualified to complete.. lets hope their younger generation.. the kids born now are trained well enough so that in the future intel can win some medals again..
but thats for a fully NEW system.. OP already HAS an intel sytem.. and if you do.. than just updating the cpu to a newer one.. still is more viable than buying a complete new ryzen platform.
Consider upgrading that instead first and hold off on the motherboard upgrade.
RTX 4080 OC edition
I could go for AMD cpu now with my ASUS Strix Z690-A motherboard. Just have to connect the AMD cpu mounting kit that came with my asus liquid cooler.
That's fine.
I would still suggest holding off the motherboard if Intel till Z890 Motherboards and 15th Gen Arrow Lake CPUs (release date: Q4 2024). You might want to check around then or early 2025 depending on price tag and reviews.
It might benefit from Extended Matrix Extensions (XMX), an AI acceleration engine.
Arrow Lake will be marketed as the "world's first gaming CPUs with [an] AI accelerator".
Or at least previous generation motherboards could come down in price tag.
There will be no more Hyper-Threading, nor DDR4 support. Cores will be able to multi handle any game/app no matter if it is coded to support hyper-threading or not. So even older games could be accelerated. So you may have to splurge on some DDR5 memory kits, but it would be best to do it then.
The next generation after that would be Lunar Lake, which will just mostly be lowering the power usage vs performance. More ideal for laptops and probably not so far away after the Arrow Lake release?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fpu3fCR5TA
Are you referring to the gen 5 cpus that will have no more hyperthreading???
I was planning on getting the i7 14700K with ddr5 motherboard and ram but its £870
when you get a new gpu.
the current gen intel and amd most likely won't be able to run the next generation of nvidea cards.
so any update you do now.. is essentially wasted
(your baseline is an 4080 the secondbest card.. even the most potent cpu now the 7800x3D only BARELY runs an 4090 without bottlenack.. but basicly no room for expention.. it runs at near full load.
as stated your current setup only uses your 4080 for about 88%
(12% bottleneck)
to solve that only very few cpu's out now excist.
***the intel i7 14700k
***the intel i9 14900k
***the ryzen 7 7800X3D
***the ryzen 9 7950X3D
while all of these can also run an 4090 without bottleneck.. do NOT expect them to run any of the x80 or x90 in the 5000 series without bottleneck..
so your basicly at a dead end.. regardless if you buy a whole new motherboard+ram+cpu or just a new cpu.
either way you spend a lot of money just to solve a 12% bottleneck with your current 4080.
IF you go new set.. PERHAPS the upcoming (release in less than a month) ryzen 9000 series may have a chip with more room... also a new chipset will release to go alongside it.
as that new ryzen series likely be the series to last another 1-2 years.. most likely the topmodel of that series will run the upcoming 5090 (that is to release in autum this year)... without bottleneck.
so if you still want a new platform I'd say wait a little and do it than.
-> but if thats your plan.. you might as well wait 4 more months and buy a complete new pc.. with new nvidea 5080, ryzen 9800X3D, and sell this current system.
if you NOT plan to buy an 5000 series gpu.. than once again... it's ONLY about.. do you want to live with 12% gpu bottleneck or not.
both an ryzen 7 7800x3D, with new motherboard and with ddr5 ram.. and just buying an an intel i714700 and stick it in your current motherboard and keep your current ddr4 ram.. will perform equally fast with your current 4080.
an 7800x3D will however cost 350 euro.,.. + a decent motherboard for it 250 euro.. and 32gb decent ddr5.. another 150 euro.
that means you be 750 down the hole.
just buying an 14700k and stick it in your current motherboard.. will cost you 400 euro which is almost halve that cost.
I still think that either 400 or 750 euro to solve a 12% bottleneck on a 1100 euro card. is a waste..
(12% of an 1100 euro card = 135 euro.)
so you are currently not using 135 euro worth of gpu.. but it will cost 400 or 750 euro to start using it.
ofcourse any money you manage to get for the sale of your current setup would go off it.. and selling a full kit of cpu+motherboard+ddr4+12700k likely will get you more on the 2d hand market than just an 12700k.
so the actual difference is less than 350 euro..
still why buy an old platform now.. when ryzen 9000 series and the new 870 chipsets are so close to being launched.
if you wait and get that an 870 chipset motherboard and a good ryzen 9000 series cpu it likely would cost you close to the same 750 euro an 7800x3D +mobo+ddr4 costs now.
while with an ryzen 9000 serues you'll have space to upgrade to nvudea 5080 or 5090 later this year,...
don't buy anything... give your current 12700k an overclock.. that should already reduce much of that 12% bottleneck.
and game happely until the nvidea 6000 series of gpu's releases than buy a new pc.
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the second best idea :
the third best option :
spend 400 euro on an 14700k.. sell your 12700k this solves your bottleneck fully..
game happely until the nvidea 6000 series of gpu's releases, than buy a new pc
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third best option
wait 1 month.
than get an brand spanking newly released.. ryzen 9800X3D and an 870 or 870E motherboard..
-likely will cost you around 800 euro including good ddr5.
-sell your current motherboard, 12700k and ddr4 as a complete kit.
enjoy your 4080 without bottleneck.. and when the time is right pull the 4080 out and replace for an 5080 or 5090,
I wont be upgrading to a 50 series card... Maybe the 60 series or 70 series when they are at normal price.
than you're just looking short term fix for that 12% bottleneck.
an slight overclock of your 12700k (will likely massively reduce than bottleneck to some percentage under 5%) and costs nothing.
or get an 14700k instead (will be the cheapest way to have zero bottleneck)
going ddr5 with ryzen 7800x3D will not add much advantage over just having an 14700k with ddr4 performance wise... both are able to run an 4080 equally well.
perhaps it means that instead of 120 you be getting 121fps with an ryzen 7800x3d
there is no gpu bottleneck with either chip.. and the cpu or having ddr5 only adds 1 or 2 fps at best.. once you already removed the bottleneck.. which you do with an 14700k
so if you find oc the 12700k to risky, want absolutely no more bottleneck..
I'd would be looking at what 2d hand offers you can get for an 12700k
and what 2d hand offers you can get for your motherboard +ddr4+ 12700k
that would give you a good idea what route is cheaper 7800x3D or 14700k.
for you can deduct that offer off the purchase price of either 400 euro for an 14700k or the 750 euro for an 7800x3D
There is no game however that gives the 14700k’s huge core count lead performance or calculation gains. The other obvious drawback with the i7 is the wattage draw under full load and thermals.
I’d argue it’s a productivity chip more so than a gaming chip. And I think Intel really needs their own v cache chip to stand a chance.
Assuming what you have now is faster than what I have, I strongly doubt the speed gain you'd get for the amount of money you'd have to spend to get something WAY faster is really worth it (unless you have to have the newest/fastest thing around, and don't have to worry about money at all).
op has 4080. op wont upgrade gpu.
op also owns 12700k ddr4 and good mobo
12700k has 12% bottleneck with 4080.
(an 5800x3D has a 17% bottleneck with 4080 so yeah it is worse than what op had)
op wants to solve bottleneck.
than 14700k is the cheapest option for him as he only has to buy a new cpu.
if he were to go 7800x3d it mean new mobo and new ram as well doubling the cost.
while fps wise the game experience with his 4080 for both options will be am equal 12% gain.
we are not comparimh buyinh 2 full platforms. we are comparing buying just a new cpu vs a full platform
What do you expect to get from it?
Most games are not CPU bound except for a few games, do you even play a game that is CPU bound?
And for those games that are CPU bound, if they are bound by floating point performance you can check the generation-to-generation change in performance.
Usually improvements in floating point performance aren't very large over generations, so if you aren't limited by memory bandwidth, storage, or anything else the change might have next to zero perceivable effect.
Next, even if you were CPU bound, depending on the game and how it's coded the performance you already have can be drastically increased by doing something as silly as turning shadows from ultra to medium.
In a lot of games, you cannot even tell the difference anyway because the way they handle shadows makes it impossible to tell in motion or they put forced blur anyway to hide the lazy effort on the rendering (and artefacts or pop-in if its poorly coded), oops "scene stabilisation."
Who cares if shadows aren't blurry or circular if you can't see them anyway?
In that case, even more so, the upgrade is pointless.
TDLR: I would not upgrade if there is no real compelling reason to do so. Most games will likely not benefit and you'd be wasting your money.
Few things are processed on the CPU anyway when gaming, and those that are won't see a huge improvement unless your new CPU has a huge improvement in floating point performance or a speed up elsewhere (cache, bandwidth, I/O, architecture).
Even then, that does not guarantee that the game or program will be able to take advantage of that speedup. The opposite can even happen or crashing, and then you would be back here complaining about it...