I hate e-cores

[King of Yugoslavia]

E-cores are small cheap CPU cores that reside side by side with normal CPU cores in some new Intel processors.
They are fine in theory, but in practice they suck, especially for games. And AMD is also looking towards making asymmetric processors with different types of cores. Is there a safe haven for e-core haters in the far future? I just want all CPU cores to be equal, and equally powerful. Will there be top tier or high mid tier CPUs that don't have e-cores?

[A&A]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Outback Santa:

if they tune it correctly e-cores are great in regards to power consumption.

Yeah. Not only that but Windows OS won't park them by default (enter low power mode) so better to use them than not.

[andreasaspenberg575]

if you think E cores are bad, just wait until 15th generatin and m cores.

[Commander Makara]

If you are dissatisfied with AMD and Intel, for performance and asymemtry, I recommend SPARC64 cores

[andreasaspenberg575]

who knows. enough trouble around intel snd amd could lead to other producers getting the upper hand.

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

Początkowo opublikowane przez A&A:

Why not force all things Windows, browsers, launchers, etc. to run on E cores and games on P cores? So the OS is much more likely to choose P-cores for games that aren't forced to run on them due load balancing?

Windows already does this if you are using the current version of Windows 11. At least it's supposed to. On paper.

[A&A]

Początkowo opublikowane przez andreasaspenberg575:

if you think E cores are bad, just wait until 15th generatin and m cores.

Look at Meteor Lake or more precisely Intel core Ultra 9 185H which already has 2 cores with low energy efficiency as the third type.

Początkowo opublikowane przez 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Windows already does this if you are using the current version of Windows 11. At least it's supposed to. On paper.

Like the Ryzen 9 7950X3D so you can use the correct cores for a specific game, but for that to happen you need to use the Game Bar to mark your games as the "correct" applications where it should use the core complex with the X3D cache, otherwise it will do whatever it wants. Now I know that Intel does a much better job of this with their thread director, but even so there is no guarantee the tasks will be running as they're supposed to and ultimately it depends on the OS decide on which cores the programs will run.

[D. Flame]

x3D chips seemed really interesting, but apparently, they do not work with Linux.

[andreasaspenberg575]

linux is community driven so, if you are having trouble, you should report it on the forum.

[D. Flame]

Początkowo opublikowane przez andreasaspenberg575:

linux is community driven so, if you are having trouble, you should report it on the forum.

There is nothing to report. They still work like normal CPUs, they just can't utilize they unique cache that makes them so good for gaming in windows, making that extra mark up a wasted cost.

[andreasaspenberg575]

then you should report that.

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

Początkowo opublikowane przez D. Flame:

Początkowo opublikowane przez andreasaspenberg575:

linux is community driven so, if you are having trouble, you should report it on the forum.

There is nothing to report. They still work like normal CPUs, they just can't utilize they unique cache that makes them so good for gaming in windows, making that extra mark up a wasted cost.

I'm not sure what you're even going on about. The extra cache on those processors is physical on the physical processor it's self. It doesn't need "special software" or "Microsoft windows" to take advantage of it. All games, apps, programs, and operating systems will benefit from the extra cache. All code that is running on those processors goes through the cache and bigger cache will benefit everything. It's just that some programs or games have a bigger benefit than others.

[D. Flame]

Początkowo opublikowane przez 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Początkowo opublikowane przez D. Flame:

There is nothing to report. They still work like normal CPUs, they just can't utilize they unique cache that makes them so good for gaming in windows, making that extra mark up a wasted cost.

I'm not sure what you're even going on about. The extra cache on those processors is physical on the physical processor it's self. It doesn't need "special software" or "Microsoft windows" to take advantage of it. All games, apps, programs, and operating systems will benefit from the extra cache. All code that is running on those processors goes through the cache and bigger cache will benefit everything. It's just that some programs or games have a bigger benefit than others.

https://community.amd.com/t5/processors/7900x3d-gaming-performance-is-underwhelming-on-linux-compared-to/m-p/655300

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Początkowo opublikowane przez D. Flame:

Początkowo opublikowane przez 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

I'm not sure what you're even going on about. The extra cache on those processors is physical on the physical processor it's self. It doesn't need "special software" or "Microsoft windows" to take advantage of it. All games, apps, programs, and operating systems will benefit from the extra cache. All code that is running on those processors goes through the cache and bigger cache will benefit everything. It's just that some programs or games have a bigger benefit than others.

https://community.amd.com/t5/processors/7900x3d-gaming-performance-is-underwhelming-on-linux-compared-to/m-p/655300

Again you're still not understanding how processors work. The extra cache is a physical part of the silicon on the physical chip. Nothing has to be done to "use the cache". Literally everything that runs on the processor is using the cache already.

What you are referring to is some games and programs are not OPTIMIZED to take advantage of the extra cache. There is a big difference in terminology there.