AIO temps

[The_Barronator]

Hi everyone,

I was just curious, I have a new PC that has an AIO cooled i9 13900 and also has an AIO cooled GPU, the MSI Liquid Suprim 4090.

I am new to AIO cooling, very new. What is the new temperature threshold? i.e. what is too hot now? With air cooling, I would argue on a new high performance GPU that above 90 Celsius is the serious danger zone, 85 being the yellow zone.....but what is it now?

My CPU and GPU for most new games with the AIO coolers usually is between 50-60C under load.

The new Witcher 3 update is what concerns me. Can I run it? Absolutely. But I am not having fun playing the game because I keep nervously looking at the NZXT display and it reads CPU:55 GPU:65.

The 4090 never goes above 70 but liquid cooled on that game it sits in the mid 60s.

Is that too hot for an AIO cooled GPU? Or is that a great tempt and I'm just paranoid?

[Beardface31]

Originally posted by The_Barronator:

My CPU and GPU for most new games with the AIO coolers usually is between 50-60C under load.

Your temps seem fine.

[Supafly]

Temps are fine. If they weren't you'd notice fps drops due to throttling. Components throttle to prevent damage so even if it's throttling components are not being damaged

[N0REGARD4LIFE]

Originally posted by The_Barronator:

Hi everyone,

I was just curious, I have a new PC that has an AIO cooled i9 13900 and also has an AIO cooled GPU, the MSI Liquid Suprim 4090.

I am new to AIO cooling, very new. What is the new temperature threshold? i.e. what is too hot now? With air cooling, I would argue on a new high performance GPU that above 90 Celsius is the serious danger zone, 85 being the yellow zone.....but what is it now?

My CPU and GPU for most new games with the AIO coolers usually is between 50-60C under load.

The new Witcher 3 update is what concerns me. Can I run it? Absolutely. But I am not having fun playing the game because I keep nervously looking at the NZXT display and it reads CPU:55 GPU:65.

The 4090 never goes above 70 but liquid cooled on that game it sits in the mid 60s.

Is that too hot for an AIO cooled GPU? Or is that a great tempt and I'm just paranoid?

You're paranoid. What you should be worried about is the lousy VRAM cooling the Liquid Suprim has. It runs in the 80c range which is absurd for a liquid cooled gpu considering no air cooled 4090 has VRAM temps that high. My Aorus Master never goes past 55c and VRAM temps stay at or below 60c as well and it's an air cooled card.

[nohuman]

My 13900K hits about 76 degrees according to Q-code on my mobo, while L-connect reports ~10 degrees higher at 87 when running Cinebench.
I had to disable multicore enhancement for that, cuz "asus optimized" or just unlocked it was hitting 100 and throttling within like 10secs, tho the cores could still be overclocked by a.i., but I was getting the odd hard freeze in windows so.......... waiting for bios/driver updates, unless I snap and RMA it first.

edit: temps were off..

[Carlsberg]

New temp thresholds?

Max temp for cpu, gpu etc do not change with different cooling. The component max temps are what they are, if they do not overheat then they are good.

[r.linder]

When it comes to newer CPUs from the last few years, 95 degrees is the new safe limit, the older safe limit was around 85.

You're fine.

[Guydodge]

while those temps arent great for a AIO they are still well within range.is your AIO a 240 or 360mm ? turn your pump speed to full throttle i personally dont like my pump speed going
up and down i prefer i constant speed and over the years have had no premature failures
with the pump.with a 360mm you should be a bit lower than you are but by most lesser
cooler standards your doing well.(unless you have a overclock then GREAT )

[MancSoulja]

Originally posted by Guydodge:

while those temps arent great for a AIO they are still well within range.is your AIO a 240 or 360mm ? turn your pump speed to full throttle i personally dont like my pump speed going
up and down i prefer i constant speed and over the years have had no premature failures
with the pump.with a 360mm you should be a bit lower than you are but by most lesser
cooler standards your doing well.(unless you have a overclock then GREAT )

"for an AIO"

AIOs won't offer any better cooling than an air cooler.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by MancSoulja:

Originally posted by Guydodge:

while those temps arent great for a AIO they are still well within range.is your AIO a 240 or 360mm ? turn your pump speed to full throttle i personally dont like my pump speed going
up and down i prefer i constant speed and over the years have had no premature failures
with the pump.with a 360mm you should be a bit lower than you are but by most lesser
cooler standards your doing well.(unless you have a overclock then GREAT )

"for an AIO"

AIOs won't offer any better cooling than an air cooler.

False, it's a fact that the best cooler packages on the market below a custom loop are all all-in-one liquid coolers, and there's more benefits to liquid over air besides just temperature differences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPLWlkHPlyo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPaSEGe6ML0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VzXHUTqE7E

Liquid has a higher heat capacity, so it absorbs more energy before increasing by a single degree, so by time you finish really fast loads, you're likely not reaching the absolute max temp of what it would normally run with an air cooler.

Furthermore, some units like the EK-AIO and ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II are upwards of 10 degrees better some of the beefier air coolers like the Noctua NH-D15, which is pretty much as good as air cooling gets in terms of performance. 10 degrees is a huge deal, especially with newer CPUs like the 7950X and 13900K which always run pretty hot. Ryzen in particular boosts higher the lower you can keep your temperatures, and AMD specifically recommends liquid cooling solutions for their higher end CPUs and no longer supplies a stock cooler for their 7000X series chips, and for some 5000 series chips as well, because they're just too hot for air cooling to handle as well as liquid cooling can. It's a recommendation by AMD's engineers with degrees and many years of experience, what experience do you have to dispute that?

Most of you "anti-liquid cooler" people just have a bias and nothing more, but don't even back it up with actual facts.

[Guydodge]

Originally posted by MancSoulja:

Originally posted by Guydodge:

while those temps arent great for a AIO they are still well within range.is your AIO a 240 or 360mm ? turn your pump speed to full throttle i personally dont like my pump speed going
up and down i prefer i constant speed and over the years have had no premature failures
with the pump.with a 360mm you should be a bit lower than you are but by most lesser
cooler standards your doing well.(unless you have a overclock then GREAT )

"for an AIO"

AIOs won't offer any better cooling than an air cooler.

yes they do,for the simple reason they rarely hit max temp.while a air cooler hits max temp almost immediately a water cooled system takes time thats why in tests that make the
claim AIR is just as good have to let the tests go at full cpu speed for 15-20+minutes
because under normal use AIO/watercoolers will rarely if ever reach max temp while
like i said air coolers reach max instantly.making the claim they are just as effective misleading at best,personally i would say a straight up lie. FACTS !!!