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high level misandrist 14 DIC 2013 a las 4:36 a. m.
Gaming PC build
First of all, sorry, I know this is the third thread I've posted regarding the PC I want to buy, I've just changed my opinion A LOT and editing the old threads wouldn't make much sense.

Edit:
I've changed my mind yet again and thus have come up with a new build. Here it is:

GPU: Radeon R9 290x
CPU: AMD FX8350 (8-core 4 gHz)
MOBO: ASUS Sabertooth 990FX R2.0
Cooler: Thermaltake Water 3.0 Extreme/Corsair Hydro Series H100i
SSD: Mushkin Enhanced Chronos deluxe (240gb 6gb/s)
RAM: G.Skill RipJawsX (Dual Channel 2x 4gb DDR3-2133)
Case: MS-Tech X3 Crow¹/MS-Tech CA-0600 Belisknir
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB
PSU: AeroCool Strike-X Series 1100W/Corsair Professional Series HX850

First of all, I need to know if those parts even work together. Also, I have the following questions regarding the individual parts:

MOBO: Shouldn't there be a revision three of the 990FX?
Cooler: Which one's better, the price is nearly identical...
RAM: Can the Sabertooth handle DDR3-2133?
Case: the two cases I listed are just random cheap cases, I may get a different one. Is there anything I should consider when buying a case?
PSU: Again, which one's better (for my build)?

P. S. The first ten comments are about a similar but different build.
Última edición por high level misandrist; 15 DIC 2013 a las 12:33 p. m.
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Joker 14 DIC 2013 a las 2:37 p. m. 
I suggest you pick better memory. This memory would run in dual channel, 1866 mhz, cas 9 & 1.5v.

Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1866 MHZ (PC3 15000) Desktop Memory (CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9)

$107.59

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-Desktop-Memory-CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9/dp/B004CRSM52/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387060351&sr=8-1&keywords=CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9
_I_ 14 DIC 2013 a las 3:32 p. m. 
dont get a amd fx 9000
they are a complete waste of money

for that you can get an i7 4820k /w 2011 build which will eat it alive
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-I7-4820k-vs-AMD-FX-9590


what country are you in?
whats your budget?
Última edición por _I_; 14 DIC 2013 a las 3:38 p. m.
high level misandrist 15 DIC 2013 a las 2:39 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por lo0n:
I suggest you pick better memory. This memory would run in dual channel, 1866 mhz, cas 9 & 1.5v.

Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1866 MHZ (PC3 15000) Desktop Memory (CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9)

I kinda want to be able to upgrade to 32gb in the future, would it actually be better to have 2x 4gb, of did you just suggest that because it's cheaper?


Publicado originalmente por _I_:
dont get a amd fx 9000
they are a complete waste of money

for that you can get an i7 4820k /w 2011 build which will eat it alive
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-I7-4820k-vs-AMD-FX-9590


what country are you in?
whats your budget?

3.7 gHz quadcore instead of 4.7 gHz octacore.

gg


HELL ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ NO.
Wicked 15 DIC 2013 a las 2:49 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por |Gent| Mc Mentlegen:
Publicado originalmente por lo0n:
I suggest you pick better memory. This memory would run in dual channel, 1866 mhz, cas 9 & 1.5v.

Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1866 MHZ (PC3 15000) Desktop Memory (CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9)

I kinda want to be able to upgrade to 32gb in the future, would it actually be better to have 2x 4gb, of did you just suggest that because it's cheaper?


Publicado originalmente por _I_:
dont get a amd fx 9000
they are a complete waste of money

for that you can get an i7 4820k /w 2011 build which will eat it alive
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-I7-4820k-vs-AMD-FX-9590


what country are you in?
whats your budget?

3.7 gHz quadcore instead of 4.7 gHz octacore.

gg


HELL ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ NO.
Wish it was that simple.
The intel chips blow the AMD socket out of the water when it.
2011 has Quad-channel ram etc etc. Trust us,you want 2011 socket. Not the insane TDP AMD gimmick chips. Also it's not a octa core. It's a quadcore with hyperthreading rather. 2 cores share the same resource pool. Don't be foolish and think you can get a true octacore for 300 bucks haha. Get a 4930K if you can and you will be flying. Also , more than gaming only uses 4 cores. a i7 4770K will serve you perfectly fine with a MUCH MUCH lower TDP and heat production.
Get a FX 8350 if you want, but not a 9590, the 9590 is a gimmick overclockers cpu.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-4770K-vs-AMD-FX-9590
The i7 4770K wins of the FX 9590, and thats not even enthusiast socket.

Read this: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-1820580/video-editing-rig-amd-9590-ghz-850-overclocked-intel-core-4770k-350.html
Like somebody said, NOBODY, NOBODY WOULD EVER RECOMMEND A FX 9590.

If you are not willing to take advice from people who know their ♥♥♥♥, why post here in the first place?
Última edición por Wicked; 15 DIC 2013 a las 2:53 a. m.
high level misandrist 15 DIC 2013 a las 3:02 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Major Burning:
Publicado originalmente por |Gent| Mc Mentlegen:
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Wish it was that simple.
The intel chips blow the AMD socket out of the water when it comes to editing.
2011 has Quad-channel ram etc etc. Trust us, if you want to do video editing, you want 2011 socket. Not the insane TDP AMD gimmick chips. Also it's not a octa core. It's a quadcore with hyperthreading rather. 2 cores share the same resource pool. Don't be foolish and think you can get a true octacore for 300 bucks haha. Get a 4930K if you can and you will be flying.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-4770K-vs-AMD-FX-9590
The i7 4770K wins of the FX 9590, and thats not even enthusiast socket.

Read this: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-1820580/video-editing-rig-amd-9590-ghz-850-overclocked-intel-core-4770k-350.html
Like somebody said, NOBODY, NOBODY WOULD EVER RECOMMEND A FX 9590.

If you are not willing to take advice from people who know their ♥♥♥♥, why post here in the first place?

Fist of all, I never said I wanted to do video editing.
Second, you don't seem to have read the posts you linked:

"I would not recommend the 9590, unless you have the cooler and motherboard to go with."
(and this was posted when the 9590 cost 850$...)

I am getting the cooler and the motherboard with it, or at least that's what I'm trying to do, which brings me to my last point.
I'm not here for you to recommend me a different build. I'm here to make sure the hardware I chose works well together...

If you're not willing to read the thread, why post here in the first place?
Última edición por high level misandrist; 15 DIC 2013 a las 3:03 a. m.
Wicked 15 DIC 2013 a las 4:23 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por |Gent| Mc Mentlegen:
Publicado originalmente por Major Burning:
Wish it was that simple.
The intel chips blow the AMD socket out of the water when it comes to editing.
2011 has Quad-channel ram etc etc. Trust us, if you want to do video editing, you want 2011 socket. Not the insane TDP AMD gimmick chips. Also it's not a octa core. It's a quadcore with hyperthreading rather. 2 cores share the same resource pool. Don't be foolish and think you can get a true octacore for 300 bucks haha. Get a 4930K if you can and you will be flying.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-4770K-vs-AMD-FX-9590
The i7 4770K wins of the FX 9590, and thats not even enthusiast socket.

Read this: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-1820580/video-editing-rig-amd-9590-ghz-850-overclocked-intel-core-4770k-350.html
Like somebody said, NOBODY, NOBODY WOULD EVER RECOMMEND A FX 9590.

If you are not willing to take advice from people who know their ♥♥♥♥, why post here in the first place?

Fist of all, I never said I wanted to do video editing.
Second, you don't seem to have read the posts you linked:

"I would not recommend the 9590, unless you have the cooler and motherboard to go with."
(and this was posted when the 9590 cost 850$...)

I am getting the cooler and the motherboard with it, or at least that's what I'm trying to do, which brings me to my last point.
I'm not here for you to recommend me a different build. I'm here to make sure the hardware I chose works well together...

If you're not willing to read the thread, why post here in the first place?
Yes, I indeed thought you were video editing, my bad, it's early for me :)
As for the the link .I mean the comments. I wanted you to look at the comments and see what people say there, almost everybody would advise agianst a FX 9590.

For gaming the FX9590 will provide you no benefit over a i7 but a load of heat. The i7 will performance 100% equal in games with 100 watts less. I am not sure why you want to get that CPU. If you insist on sticking with the '8 core' way then get the FX 8350 which is the same CPU but with a much lower TDP. The FX 9590 is a super OC gmmick chip. It has no real purpose. It doesn't beat intels higher segment. And it doesn't provide any benefit in gaming over the FX 8350.

I think it's good to make you aware that getting the FX 8350 or the i7 is a better option for your build. however if you are really set in stone about that FX 9590 (Reconsider it ,really;) then :
yes, that should all fit very well. You don't need a 1000 watt psu. a 850 watt should do you fine, but getting a 1050 watt will obviously not hurt anything (except your wallet maybe ;) )

EDIT: On the Asus Website it states that the Sabertooth 990FX supports cpu's with a TDP of up to 150 watts. the FX 9590 has 220 watt. So the Sabertooth won't take that chip (or it would severely damage the motherboard / bluescreen due to lack of power)
Links:
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_990FX_R20/#specifications

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/62166-amd-fx-9590-review-piledriver-5ghz-17.html
Última edición por Wicked; 15 DIC 2013 a las 4:30 a. m.
Bad 💀 Motha 15 DIC 2013 a las 4:28 a. m. 
FX-9000 series such way too much power. And stay away from Thermaltake PSUs.

I'd suggest FX-8350, as you can bump it upwards of 5 Ghz range (or even higher) fairly easily.

For SSD I would highly suggest Samsung 840 EVO series.

For PSU I'd go with a Gold or Platinum series model from brands such as Corsair, EVGA, Seasonic, Silverstone.
Última edición por Bad 💀 Motha; 15 DIC 2013 a las 4:31 a. m.
high level misandrist 15 DIC 2013 a las 5:09 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Major Burning:
Publicado originalmente por |Gent| Mc Mentlegen:
...
Yes, I indeed thought you were video editing, my bad, it's early for me :)

Yeah, sorry, I may have overreacted a bit.

Publicado originalmente por Major Burning:
As for the the link .I mean the comments. I wanted you to look at the comments and see what people say there, almost everybody would advise agianst a FX 9590.

The "Related resources" window led me to believe that there were no more comments posted on that thread, again, my bad.


Publicado originalmente por Major Burning:
For gaming the FX9590 will provide you no benefit over a i7 but a load of heat. The i7 will performance 100% equal in games with 100 watts less. I am not sure why you want to get that CPU. If you insist on sticking with the '8 core' way then get the FX 8350 which is the same CPU but with a much lower TDP. The FX 9590 is a super OC gmmick chip. It has no real purpose. It doesn't beat intels higher segment. And it doesn't provide any benefit in gaming over the FX 8350.

I think it's good to make you aware that getting the FX 8350 or the i7 is a better option for your build. however if you are really set in stone about that FX 9590 (Reconsider it ,really;) then :
yes, that should all fit very well. You don't need a 1000 watt psu. a 850 watt should do you fine, but getting a 1050 watt will obviously not hurt anything (except your wallet maybe ;) )[/qoute]
Yeah, I know that atm, having a 9590 won't benefit me, but are you sure this won't change in the future, when more games are optimized for a 8 core CPU?

Publicado originalmente por Major Burning:
EDIT: On the Asus Website it states that the Sabertooth 990FX supports cpu's with a TDP of up to 150 watts. the FX 9590 has 220 watt. So the Sabertooth won't take that chip (or it would severely damage the motherboard / bluescreen due to lack of power)
Links:
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_990FX_R20/#specifications

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/62166-amd-fx-9590-review-piledriver-5ghz-17.html

Thanks a lot, things like that are the reason I posted this thread, do you know any other good motherboards supporting crossfire which can handle the 9590?
_I_ 15 DIC 2013 a las 9:04 a. m. 
or you can save alot of cash going ot a 4670k and z87 board

the amd am3+ cpus have 8 cores, but their l2 cache is ganged into 4x 2mb pools
each core doesnt have its own l2

haswell 1150 cpus have 256k of l2 cache per core, and its much faster

if its for video editing/encoding or rendering, go for a 2011 build
for gaming 1150

the amd 9000s are just the top binned 8000 cpus with a higher clock
just amds last ditch at saving the am3+ socket
but at 200w vs 84w with an i5 will have the same overall performace

http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/zardon/amd-fx9590-5ghz-review-w-gigabyte-990fxa-ud5/26/
Wicked 15 DIC 2013 a las 9:09 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por |Gent| Mc Mentlegen:
Publicado originalmente por Major Burning:
Yes, I indeed thought you were video editing, my bad, it's early for me :)

Yeah, sorry, I may have overreacted a bit.

Publicado originalmente por Major Burning:
As for the the link .I mean the comments. I wanted you to look at the comments and see what people say there, almost everybody would advise agianst a FX 9590.

The "Related resources" window led me to believe that there were no more comments posted on that thread, again, my bad.


Publicado originalmente por Major Burning:
For gaming the FX9590 will provide you no benefit over a i7 but a load of heat. The i7 will performance 100% equal in games with 100 watts less. I am not sure why you want to get that CPU. If you insist on sticking with the '8 core' way then get the FX 8350 which is the same CPU but with a much lower TDP. The FX 9590 is a super OC gmmick chip. It has no real purpose. It doesn't beat intels higher segment. And it doesn't provide any benefit in gaming over the FX 8350.

I think it's good to make you aware that getting the FX 8350 or the i7 is a better option for your build. however if you are really set in stone about that FX 9590 (Reconsider it ,really;) then :
yes, that should all fit very well. You don't need a 1000 watt psu. a 850 watt should do you fine, but getting a 1050 watt will obviously not hurt anything (except your wallet maybe ;) )
Yeah, I know that atm, having a 9590 won't benefit me, but are you sure this won't change in the future, when more games are optimized for a 8 core CPU?


Thanks a lot, things like that are the reason I posted this thread, do you know any other good motherboards supporting crossfire which can handle the 9590?
Only very view motherboard support a chip like the 9590. Thats another reason to just get the 8350 and overclock it to 5 ghz. The 9590 is just a ridiculously high TDP version of the 8350.

As for optimisation for 8cores. the 8350 /9590 is not a true 8 core. The way the chip is build out of modules makes it very similar to a i7. 4 cores, 8 threads.
So if games ever benefit from 8 core then it will be just as good on the i7 as it would be on the 8350. Even the 4670K i5 will perfrom just as good. It's the most common gaming cpu for a reason. It's the best bang4buck. its only 90 watts or so. The 8350 is more of a budget option, since the Intel cpu's are faster but just much more expensive. Considering you have 300 bucks to spend on a CPU, just grab the 4770K or so. It will do you better. the AMD 8 cores are good in multitasking. In normal desktop usage single core performance is much more important, and the i7 has much faster single core performance or 'per core' performance if you will.

I build loads of PC's and all builds of a 1000+ euro I have done are Intel.
A i5 will do you just as good of a job. But getting a i7 won't hurt. Something with a nice MSI G65 or so will OC pretty good. Core and Clockspeed are not the only deciding factor in CPU performance unlike common believe. It's quite complicated.

And if you want to stick with the AMD 8core. Get the 8350. It'sc SOOO much easier man. The 9590 = 8350 with 100 more watts and a 5ghz clockspeed. Just overclock your own 8350 to 5ghz. The 9590 is a gimmick chip and as a hardware enthusiast I even wonder why on earth they even released the thing. It serves no purpose.

I was unable to find a list of motherboard able to take the 9590. My guess is that you need a really expensive overclocking board. Like I said before, and countless others said, please do yourself a favor and get the 8350 or a i7. Both excellent choices. :)
Última edición por Wicked; 15 DIC 2013 a las 9:13 a. m.
high level misandrist 15 DIC 2013 a las 12:53 p. m. 
Updated the description since I changed my mind once again.
Wicked 16 DIC 2013 a las 3:22 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por |Gent| Mc Mentlegen:
Updated the description since I changed my mind once again.
MOBO: Shouldn't there be a revision three of the 990FX?
Why should there be? Have you looked on the asus site? If it isn't there it isn't around.

Cooler: Which one's better, the price is nearly identical...
More people asked this question ,conclusion ,they are also practically identical in terms of performance, so just get what you like the look of the most.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1419068/corsair-h100i-vs-thermaltake-water-3-0-extreme


RAM: Can the Sabertooth handle DDR3-2133?
It supports 1833 offical, but it will do 2133 Yes. However the performance difference between 1833 and 2133 in actual use is very minimal, You won't notice the difference. I'ts overkill for gaming. I'd go with 1833 if I were you.

Case: the two cases I listed are just random cheap cases, I may get a different one. Is there anything I should consider when buying a case?
You should consider:
Cable management?
Airflow?
Does everything fit? (GPU Length)
Horizontal HDD Bays? (So cables go off the the side instead of the motherboard)
Take a look at the Corsair 650D or other Obsidian series. I personally love those cases.
I myself have a Coolermaster 690 II.
Also point to note is, if you want a window or not?


PSU: Again, which one's better (for my build)?
I personally never diviate from: BeQuite, Seasonic and Corsair when it comes to powersupplies. A powersupply is a very important part of your PC. I know those 3 brands make excellent powersupplies and therefor I trust them with powering my PC ;D
That in mind , I would get the Corsair. However, try if you can get a AX or AX850i . A gold labeled powersupply is recommended. The HX850 does it's job excellent though. I have one myself.
Última edición por Wicked; 16 DIC 2013 a las 3:24 p. m.
Rove 17 DIC 2013 a las 1:29 a. m. 
For cases: Make sure your GPU will fit the case!

The R9 290X (and even all other R9 series) are long cards and will not fit some smaller cases.

Make sure you have more than enough room for the GPU. If the case does not say how much room it has to fit a GPU on the manufacturer page then chances are it is not a lot and it will not fit. Usually when it's a small case they do not say and when it's a big one made to fit big GPUs they tell you how many mm or inches (or both) GPU length is supported.

Also for such a nice build I would want 16GB of RAM if you can swing it, not cause you will need it now. You don't. Just to save having to upgrade in the future and to be able to upgrade to a full 32GB if ever needed.

As for speed, yes the board can support 2133 (overclocked) BUT the CPU can not without overclocking. Maximum supported by CPU is 1866. It can do higher but that overclocks the IMC or something.

About the GPU also. In USA / Canada it is a bad time to buy high end AMD card. I'd almost suggest to buy a cheap $100~ HD 7790 and then wait for the R9 290X to come out with dual fan custom coolers and drop down to $300~ in price. You'd probably end up with a HD 7790 + better cooled R9 290X for the same or less price if prices drop the same way they did last generation. $550+ is just too much money to pay for a graphics card. Bad value.

The HD 7790 does more GFLOPS per dollar. Not sure about in Austria though.

As for the motherboard you are thinking of the "Rev 2 / Gen 3" it's still a revision two but they tacked on Gen 3 and that means it has PCIe 3 supported by combining 32 PCIe 2 lanes from the CPU to make 16 PCIe 3 lanes on the motherboard. If you can find one this might be a better choice for such a high end graphics card. However in the USA they appear to all be out of stock, sold out or discontinued. Limited supply.
Última edición por Rove; 17 DIC 2013 a las 1:42 a. m.
Wicked 17 DIC 2013 a las 3:58 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por vadim:
|Gent| Mc Mentlegen: your current rig is neither good nor especially bad. It average. Or slightly below average.
Useless watercooling, which isn't more effective than aerocooling (I say about Corsair H100i).
RAM with unconvinient high heatsinks and useless high clock rate.
Difficult to say anything about videocard yet. In theory it can be pretty good, but it has known problems with overheating and throttling.
Average CPU, which is better in many games than Intel i3, but slower than even lowest i5, like 3330.
Overpriced motherboard, in which has been added to support PCI-E 3.0 (if you will choose GEN3 revision) is completely useless because of its lack of AMD processors.
And so on...
Well you just wrote some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ didn't you?

Average? this is excellent gaming PC. It will serve him very well.
the Fx 8350 performs on-par with the highest end i5 in gaming, the 3570K - 4670K.
It's excellent value for money.
Yes the Stock R290X are loud and hot. Better wait for the reference designs.

PCI 3.0 is not needed for any card and only provides benefit for SLI/Crossfire. As for 'lack of AMD procoessros' what does that even mean? What do CPU's have to do with PCI 3.0...

Wicked 17 DIC 2013 a las 4:11 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por vadim:
Publicado originalmente por Major Burning:
the Fx 8350 performs on-par with the highest end i5 in gaming, the 3570K - 4670K.
It's a lie. You should be familiar with the test results. Learn to use google.

FX 8350 doesn't bottleneck a videocard, i5 4670K doesn't. So,please tell me how any other test results should be relevant? Frames on games with both cpus are extremely similar. Thats the test results i've seen.

I personally would have gone with a i5 too in this build. But it's not my build :)
Publicado originalmente por Major Burning:
What do CPU's have to do with PCI 3.0...
Publicado originalmente por vadim:
You do not even know what PCI-E controller is built into the CPU?
And that Sabertooth 990FX Gen3 uses PLX PEX 8747 to emulate the PCI-E 3.0 lines on PCI-E 2.0? Too bad for you ...
touche, No I don't know that indepth stuff, how can a controller emulate bandwith that doesn't exist?. But what 'lack' of AMD CPU's?
I try to focus on what it does for me as a consumer.
And you don't need PCI 3.0 with any of the single cards out today.
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