Will a I5 4670K last me for the next ten years? Plus isn't a I5 5670K coming out 2014?

[Gixanix]

Should i get this or wait until next year if a I5 5670K?
I want a really expensive processor in my new upcoming build, however the graphics will be a GTX 650 TI or something because i'm gonna wait until a GTX 880 etc.

[rotNdude]

A CPU has a warranty of 3 years. Outside of that, it depends on how lucky you are and what games you want to play in 10 years.

If you want to wait and your existing CPU is just fine, then wait. I don't think the next generation will bring much more than a small increase in performance and thermal efficiency.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/intels-next-generation-broadwell-cpus-delayed-due-to-yield-problems/

[Gixanix]

Thanks for the feedback, I appreticate it :)

[_I_]

if you take care of the system it can last 10 years
good cpu cooler, keep the case clean, good power supply ect..

as for keeping up with games for 10 years,no
5yrs may be pushing it, but for the next 2-3 years most likely yes

[76561198001357399]

Woking in 10 years? Yes. Running games in 10 years? No. The only processor I see as lasting a long time is the 3960x which came out in 2011. It is nearly 3 years old and has another 3 in it whilst still kicking ass in games and more. After 10 years I suspect it won't be that good though, but will still handle work and light games.

[Rove]

I think a AMD FX 6300, 8320 or 8350 would probably be the best bet as "lasting longest for your dollar" however I would not want to be on one of them in 10 years.

Get a FX 6300 for 1/2 the price of the i5 though and it will probably be both working and good enough performance for 3-5 years and then you can buy another new one at that point assuming you can get the future equivalent of it for the same price.

That I think would be your best bet to build a system that would last 6-10 years is to actually just build 2 cheaper ones, first one and then the other 1/2 way through as replacement.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

6-core i7 would probably last you longest.
But trying to build PC for ten years is kinda pointless, after 5 years they are all pretty much outdated and all kind of parts start to fail one after another anyway.
Upgrade after 2-2.5 years and completely new PC after 4-5 years is usually best option.

[Sack]

If you're going to go ahead and buy a 4670K you might as well go ahead and fork out the extra cash and buy the 4770k. It would be wise as the 4770K offers more cache and hyper-threading allowing eight threads via virtualization. I wouldn't wait for the 5th gen processors these Haswells will surpass your gaming needs for sure...I'm still using a 2600K and it runs flawlessly to this day.

[Aeronax]

There is no real way to "future proof" but I think I would say it would last about 2-4 years. That answer is pretty vague as I said, no way to truly "future proof" anything.

[Gixanix]

Thanks everyone for you're feedback.

[ZeekAncient]

Originally posted by Rove:

I think a AMD FX 6300, 8320 or 8350 would probably be the best bet as "lasting longest for your dollar" however I would not want to be on one of them in 10 years.

Get a FX 6300 for 1/2 the price of the i5 though and it will probably be both working and good enough performance for 3-5 years and then you can buy another new one at that point assuming you can get the future equivalent of it for the same price.

That I think would be your best bet to build a system that would last 6-10 years is to actually just build 2 cheaper ones, first one and then the other 1/2 way through as replacement.

Sorry but I had to comment on this. No offense but this is the biggest load of crap I ever heard. Dude I cannot believe you played your 'amd card' on a thread about a longest lasting CPU. Now I know that AMD FX offers good value per dollar, but the IPC per core is horrendous compared to Intel. I don't care if you are talking the new consoles using the 8-core Jarguar or multithreaded applications. Unless you are talking the MOST heavily multithreaded applications, which games AREN'T, Intel's single core performance will outpace those FX CPUs you mentioned now and in the future. Even if the new consoles have 8 cores and games start using 8 cores, we are talking about Jaguar chips that are severly slow, under 1.5 ghz, compared to Intel, even AMDs desktop cpus, so it is a moot point when we are talking about quad cores operating at 4+ ghz. Not to mention that the IPC on the Jaguar is much less than Intel. Hyper threaded quads or hexacores have even more of an advantage.

But anyways my point is that there is no i5 on the market that would be outlasted by the slower IPC operating cores of the FX CPUs. If those CPUs outpace FX now, they will in the future as well.

Hey I don't mind you liking AMD, but playing your 'amd card' on every thread is getting old. Especially on a thread like this that had no place for an 'amd is better value' post.

So please no offense. You obviously have great tech knowledge, but your 'amd card' is getting old. Sorry :/

[[☥] - CJ -]

im perfectly happy with my 2500k, while ive only had it a year or 2, im sure it'll last quite a bit longer.

Hell, by the time im ready to upgrade again Haswell will be a grandparent.

[Rove]

Originally posted by zeekancient:

Sorry but I had to comment on this. No offense but this is the biggest load of crap I ever heard. Dude I cannot believe you played your 'amd card' on a thread about a longest lasting CPU. Now I know that AMD FX offers good value per dollar, but the IPC per core is horrendous compared to Intel. I don't care if you are talking the new consoles using the 8-core Jarguar or multithreaded applications. Unless you are talking the MOST heavily multithreaded applications, which games AREN'T, Intel's single core performance will outpace those FX CPUs you mentioned now and in the future. Even if the new consoles have 8 cores and games start using 8 cores, we are talking about Jaguar chips that are severly slow, under 1.5 ghz, compared to Intel, even AMDs desktop cpus, so it is a moot point when we are talking about quad cores operating at 4+ ghz. Not to mention that the IPC on the Jaguar is much less than Intel. Hyper threaded quads or hexacores have even more of an advantage.

But anyways my point is that there is no i5 on the market that would be outlasted by the slower IPC operating cores of the FX CPUs. If those CPUs outpace FX now, they will in the future as well.

Hey I don't mind you liking AMD, but playing your 'amd card' on every thread is getting old. Especially on a thread like this that had no place for an 'amd is better value' post.

So please no offense. You obviously have great tech knowledge, but your 'amd card' is getting old. Sorry :/

No offense taken.

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say though. Not that the FX 6300 would outlast a single i5 but rather that 2 $100-$120~ CPUs bought one now and one as a replacement in several years would outlast a single $200-$240 i5 purchased today.

Another way to say it would be to say: Buy the best value Pentium G (if that can meet your immediate needs) or Core i3 right now for $100 or less and then replace it every few years. You could probably get around 4+ Pentium Gs for the same price as a Haswell i5. Of course motherboards would end up costing something as well so lets say 3 replaceements including the cost of at least 1 new motherboard since you might be able to re-use a Haswell board for Broadwell CPUs or similar re-use with a future board as long as you buy a "tick" board and upgrade to a "tock" CPU. That means 3.3 years use each which I think will give you less performance to start but more consistant and acceptable performance over yuour 10 year window that you are trying to budget for.

My point is that cheaper CPUs often offer better value. If you are look historically at the cost of buying "the nicest" vs the cost of more frequent replacements you will see that more frequent replacements would have resulted in lower costs and a final system with higher performance than the more expensive-but-by-then-ancient "nicer" parts from way back in the day. Of course the more expensive one would give nicer performance right now though.

Anyways, here is a example of what you could do:

Intel Pentium G3220 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor
+
Biostar Hi-Fi B85S3+ Ver. 6.x Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1FoqX
Base Total: $119.98
Shipping: $5.99
Total: $125.97 all shipping included

That total also does include the motherboard which was not part of your original budget for the i5 so I won't count the first board towards the total CPU upgrading budget of $222~. Also of note this board might be cheaper than a Z-87 series board and save you money there but I'm not even counting that for the example.

The cost of the CPU alone is $65.98.

Assume that you can get a similar Broadwell Pentium G for a lower in a few years when Broadwell is getting old and the next generation is released or near release (because older gneration Pentium Gs are even cheaper now) that will fit the motherboard. It might even have more cores since I heard they are increasing core count for i7 Extremes maybe that will trickle down to the lower end parts also. Maybe not but you never know.

Those 2 CPUs will probably eat about 1/2 the budget and then we have left enough for 1 more cheaper CPU and 1 more motherboard somewhere down the road.

If you pick your upgrades well you can probably eventually in the future end up with a CPU that outperforms a current day i5. However I don't know Intel's upgrade schedule so I could be wrong.

This might be bad advice as it's impossible to predict the future. However keeping a i5 as a gaming CPU for 10 years is probably also a bad idea.

Anyways if it was my budget I'd still get a AMD FX 6300.

Well cared for your i5 should last as a working CPU for 10 years however it will probably be obsolete for a lot of new things (notably new games) by then. However nothing to say that you can't play old games, use a old copy of Windows and use older software and still enjoy your system 10 years from now. That would probably work just fine.

I have a computer over 10 years old that can run Linux (could probably also run Windows XP but I lost it) and simple or old games. It can even run lots of good 3D games but only older ones or simple ones made for low-spec computers cause it's a single core 2.4Ghz CPU and 128MB graphics card that was not the best even when released. Other than that it's got a few GB of RAM and like 80GB HDD or something.

[Kargor]

10 years is quite a long time. My oldest system that's still active uses an

Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU   6300  @ 1.86GHz

, and a quick trip to wikipedia suggests that the CPU came out in 2006. It still works, though -- if that's what you mean by "lasts". I might replace it before it hits 10th birthday, though.

[xSneaK]

buy now and enjoy it. No sense in waiting till next year for a marginal performance increase.

[ZeekAncient]

Originally posted by Rove:

Originally posted by zeekancient:

Sorry but I had to comment on this. No offense but this is the biggest load of crap I ever heard. Dude I cannot believe you played your 'amd card' on a thread about a longest lasting CPU. Now I know that AMD FX offers good value per dollar, but the IPC per core is horrendous compared to Intel. I don't care if you are talking the new consoles using the 8-core Jarguar or multithreaded applications. Unless you are talking the MOST heavily multithreaded applications, which games AREN'T, Intel's single core performance will outpace those FX CPUs you mentioned now and in the future. Even if the new consoles have 8 cores and games start using 8 cores, we are talking about Jaguar chips that are severly slow, under 1.5 ghz, compared to Intel, even AMDs desktop cpus, so it is a moot point when we are talking about quad cores operating at 4+ ghz. Not to mention that the IPC on the Jaguar is much less than Intel. Hyper threaded quads or hexacores have even more of an advantage.

But anyways my point is that there is no i5 on the market that would be outlasted by the slower IPC operating cores of the FX CPUs. If those CPUs outpace FX now, they will in the future as well.

Hey I don't mind you liking AMD, but playing your 'amd card' on every thread is getting old. Especially on a thread like this that had no place for an 'amd is better value' post.

So please no offense. You obviously have great tech knowledge, but your 'amd card' is getting old. Sorry :/

No offense taken.

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say though. Not that the FX 6300 would outlast a single i5 but rather that 2 $100-$120~ CPUs bought one now and one as a replacement in several years would outlast a single $200-$240 i5 purchased today.

Another way to say it would be to say: Buy the best value Pentium G (if that can meet your immediate needs) or Core i3 right now for $100 or less and then replace it every few years. You could probably get around 4+ Pentium Gs for the same price as a Haswell i5. Of course motherboards would end up costing something as well so lets say 3 replaceements including the cost of at least 1 new motherboard since you might be able to re-use a Haswell board for Broadwell CPUs or similar re-use with a future board as long as you buy a "tick" board and upgrade to a "tock" CPU. That means 3.3 years use each which I think will give you less performance to start but more consistant and acceptable performance over yuour 10 year window that you are trying to budget for.

My point is that cheaper CPUs often offer better value. If you are look historically at the cost of buying "the nicest" vs the cost of more frequent replacements you will see that more frequent replacements would have resulted in lower costs and a final system with higher performance than the more expensive-but-by-then-ancient "nicer" parts from way back in the day. Of course the more expensive one would give nicer performance right now though.

Anyways, here is a example of what you could do:

Intel Pentium G3220 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor
+
Biostar Hi-Fi B85S3+ Ver. 6.x Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1FoqX
Base Total: $119.98
Shipping: $5.99
Total: $125.97 all shipping included

That total also does include the motherboard which was not part of your original budget for the i5 so I won't count the first board towards the total CPU upgrading budget of $222~. Also of note this board might be cheaper than a Z-87 series board and save you money there but I'm not even counting that for the example.

The cost of the CPU alone is $65.98.

Assume that you can get a similar Broadwell Pentium G for a lower in a few years when Broadwell is getting old and the next generation is released or near release (because older gneration Pentium Gs are even cheaper now) that will fit the motherboard. It might even have more cores since I heard they are increasing core count for i7 Extremes maybe that will trickle down to the lower end parts also. Maybe not but you never know.

Those 2 CPUs will probably eat about 1/2 the budget and then we have left enough for 1 more cheaper CPU and 1 more motherboard somewhere down the road.

If you pick your upgrades well you can probably eventually in the future end up with a CPU that outperforms a current day i5. However I don't know Intel's upgrade schedule so I could be wrong.

This might be bad advice as it's impossible to predict the future. However keeping a i5 as a gaming CPU for 10 years is probably also a bad idea.

Anyways if it was my budget I'd still get a AMD FX 6300.

Well cared for your i5 should last as a working CPU for 10 years however it will probably be obsolete for a lot of new things (notably new games) by then. However nothing to say that you can't play old games, use a old copy of Windows and use older software and still enjoy your system 10 years from now. That would probably work just fine.

I have a computer over 10 years old that can run Linux (could probably also run Windows XP but I lost it) and simple or old games. It can even run lots of good 3D games but only older ones or simple ones made for low-spec computers cause it's a single core 2.4Ghz CPU and 128MB graphics card that was not the best even when released. Other than that it's got a few GB of RAM and like 80GB HDD or something.

got ya. thank you for the clarification. Also I thought about it after and you know what? you play your 'amd card' all you want. do what you got to do. In fact I love AMD and currently have no parts in my PC that are AMD and am quite dissappointed about it. I kept my Phenom II sticker on my case though. Just so I know where I come from. Happy gaming.