7800x3d vs 9800x3d at 100€ price difference (1440P)

[shadowsite]

Maybe someone who was in the same boat as me can shed some light in to my dilemma.

I am currently about to upgrade my good ol' trusty I5 9700k, who was in my system since release, for an AMD CPU.
Thing is: I can't decide if the 9800x3d would be worth a 100€ price difference to the 7800x3d.

Maybe someone can give me their experience if they upgraded from a 7800 to 9800 and if they regret their purchase or if they say "go for it".

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND!!!: This is NOT a D. size comparison!
Please keep it civilized and try not to simply say: "the 9800 is newer, so newer is better", I heard that enough from the cesspool that is reddit, I hope I can find some more class in this thread, even if Steam also showed me otherwise in the past
I would be grateful for real, infomrative answers and what kind of % increase in FPS perfomance one can expect at 1440p gaming.

Edit: If the information is needed, it would be paired with an 7900xtx GPU

[Monk]

The 9800x3d will be both a faster and smoother experience than the 7800x3d, if you can afford the extra €100 with no real impact to your finances, it would be the better option.

[ᶻ𝗓𐰁]

I don't think the difference @ 2k is worth $100 on the rare occasion you might lose a single frame

[AmaiAmai]

Either one of those would be a massive upgrade, so it is dependent on you and your personal financial beliefs.

If you use the computer for things other than gaming, maybe it would be worth it. But in gaming, the way games come out these days in buggy unfinished and unoptimised states, would the extra 100 be worth it?

Ryzen 9000 does have better memory support though, so again, if that is something you value then you might lean to that CPU if you are going to be using that computer for things outside of gaming.

If you also don't change computer parts for years, then that's another thing to consider.

[KalGimpa]

the biggest difference is going to be the throttling

the die's are different and the 7800 will not reach peek performance because of heat

they moved them on the 9800 and newer and they run better without the throttling

[A&A]

The difference between Zen 4 and Zen 5 is 5%, and because of the higher core clock speeds can go up to 10% between the CPUs.
Keep in mind this is at 1080P and RTX4090.

So, if you are strictly running 1440P or games where you are GPU bottlenecked or the software won't allow full utilization of the CPU then obviously 7800X3D.
9800X3D is more stable in terms of performance but for this price I don't think it's worth it.

[tareqalhamrani]

I ordered my 9800X3D for about $50 different, not 100€ as you said, if i didn't see that i might never order 9800X3D, now i am happy, just waiting it to arrive, it is my first time i build computer with AMD CPU, i have a mini pc with AMD Ryzen CPU, but never built one with it, and i am building now to last for very long time as i am not after upgrading even couple of years like others doing, so 9800X3D will hold me long enough maybe 6-8 years if not 10, while 7800X3D might not.

[shadowsite]

Thank you everyone for your input!
Indeed i am only mainly using my main PC for gaming, while restricting work related things to my work notebook.
Also I am exclusively playing on 1440p (3440x1440p to be precise, Ultrawide).

The exact price difference would be about 90€, from what I was able to gather, the raw gaming perfomance between these 2 aren't that big at that resolution, right?
And regarding the heat issue with the 7800: I have a rather strong liquid cooling build in my PC, so I hope that throttling isn't a issue.

Also, it isn't exactly a matter of IF I can afford it, since I can, but I do try to save on money where I can :)

Would you all still consider the 7800 to be the better choice with these informations?

[tareqalhamrani]

Originally posted by shadowsite:

Thank you everyone for your input!
Indeed i am only mainly using my main PC for gaming, while restricting work related things to my work notebook.
Also I am exclusively playing on 1440p (3440x1440p to be precise, Ultrawide).

The exact price difference would be about 90€, from what I was able to gather, the raw gaming perfomance between these 2 aren't that big at that resolution, right?
And regarding the heat issue with the 7800: I have a rather strong liquid cooling build in my PC, so I hope that throttling isn't a issue.

Also, it isn't exactly a matter of IF I can afford it, since I can, but I do try to save on money where I can :)

Would you all still consider the 7800 to be the better choice with these informations?

No, those information will make you to buy 9600x or 7700x or even 9900X and not 7800X3 or 9800X3D, you just put reasons not to go with 9800X3D for that price difference, as i told you, i have same or even more reasons than you and yet i went with 9800x3D and never look backl.

[shadowsite]

Originally posted by tareqalhamrani:

Originally posted by shadowsite:

Thank you everyone for your input!
Indeed i am only mainly using my main PC for gaming, while restricting work related things to my work notebook.
Also I am exclusively playing on 1440p (3440x1440p to be precise, Ultrawide).

The exact price difference would be about 90€, from what I was able to gather, the raw gaming perfomance between these 2 aren't that big at that resolution, right?
And regarding the heat issue with the 7800: I have a rather strong liquid cooling build in my PC, so I hope that throttling isn't a issue.

Also, it isn't exactly a matter of IF I can afford it, since I can, but I do try to save on money where I can :)

Would you all still consider the 7800 to be the better choice with these informations?

No, those information will make you to buy 9600x or 7700x or even 9900X and not 7800X3 or 9800X3D, you just put reasons not to go with 9800X3D for that price difference, as i told you, i have same or even more reasons than you and yet i went with 9800x3D and never look backl.

Wait what?
You say that i don't have reasons to buy the 7800/9800 and yet you still have the same reasons and still bought the 9800 without any regret?
Sorry, just confused by your message

[A&A]

1440P Average
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/19.html

Min FPS at 1080p and 4k
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/21.html

[tareqalhamrani]

Originally posted by shadowsite:

Originally posted by tareqalhamrani:

No, those information will make you to buy 9600x or 7700x or even 9900X and not 7800X3 or 9800X3D, you just put reasons not to go with 9800X3D for that price difference, as i told you, i have same or even more reasons than you and yet i went with 9800x3D and never look backl.

Wait what?
You say that i don't have reasons to buy the 7800/9800 and yet you still have the same reasons and still bought the 9800 without any regret?
Sorry, just confused by your message

I mean that your posts sounds you want to get 7800X3D because of the price, then you add that slight performance difference as a reason maybe and whatever else, so it is either you buy 9800X3D regardless the difference or just buy 7800X3D, the price difference to me is pointless, i don't know if you say 20 euro here and 80 euro there it will make a big difference, for me 9800X3D is a newer CPU, and also the difference is small in price, performance all CPU at that range can be small difference, with 1440p they became closer, and when you go to 4k then 3D or non 3D will be almost neglectable, so even in that case i bought 9800X3D and never look back, i could just buy 7800X3D and save money but i didn't.

[C1REX]

I would go with the 9800x3d.
1% lows and stutters will be better now and you will appreciate the CPU more in future games within 2-4 years.
Monster Hunter Wild barely holds 60fps in the main town on my 7800x3D.

[shadowsite]

Originally posted by C1REX:

I would go with the 9800x3d.
1% lows and stutters will be better now and you will appreciate the CPU more in future games within 2-4 years.
Monster Hunter Wild barely holds 60fps in the main town on my 7800x3D.

Right now I decided to order the 7800 for now and see how much it actually improves my FPS in general and if I am happy with it, i will return it and pay the extra money to get the 9800 since the actual FPS improvements shouldn't be that big between these two and that resolution :)

And never compare anything right now with monster Hunter Wilds, that game is a complete dumpster fire optimisation wise, I gues nothing currently available is able to fully max out the game and still play with 60 FPS xD

[gwwak]

100€ is a pretty big difference. Although if you that amount is going to cause you to drop to a lower tier GPU, I'd go with the 7800X3D to afford a better GPU.