RTX 4060 or 3060 12gb

[Bing Chilling]

i have an older system currently
i5 8600k
gtx 1070
16gb ddr4 3200mhz

while it's ok in newer games the 1070 is really starting to show it's age and honestly i've been running into vram limits in a few titles too like RUST on max texture settings (which look alot better then high) anyways, there's two gpu's i'm looking at. The 3060 12gb and the 4060 8gb.\
(3 if you count the 7600 but i really like the nvidia set of features so)

I know that the 4060 is a faster gpu then the 3060 but the lack of vram is a little concerning with the titles i play, also the 4060 is only pcie 4.0 x8 and the 3060 is PCIe 4.0 x16 meaning that i'd be loosing abit of the extra performance of the 4060 anyways.

what are your thoughts?

lastly i don't want to save up more to spend more on a better gpu, this is simply between the 3060 and 4060 in my use case.

[Ocelote.12]

It's rumored that today, at Mar 13, 2025, NVIDIA will unveil RTX 5050 and RTX 5060. They are rumored to begin selling in April.

So you can just wait at least a day before making a decision.

[Monk]

They probably aren't going to be the same price either, but if you are already having vram issues on the 1070's 8GB, in the games you play, I think you have the answer, though Intel, and ir second hand should be considered also when in a set budget

[Bing Chilling]

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It's rumored that today, at Mar 13, 2025, NVIDIA will unveil RTX 5050 and RTX 5060. They are rumored to begin selling in April.

So you can just wait at least a day before making a decision.

i'm not planning on buying ether until i get paid but i'm not sure how long they will take to be available in canada. it usually takes 1-2 months to get new gpu releases and also i assume just like the 5070/5080/5090 they will be instantly all bought out and scalped

i'll wait a day but it'll probably come back to these two gpu's again.

[Bing Chilling]

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They probably aren't going to be the same price either, but if you are already having vram issues on the 1070's 8GB, in the games you play, I think you have the answer, though Intel, and ir second hand should be considered also when in a set budget

they are within 20$ but yeah i was leaning more towards the 3060 since it does feature more vram and the 4060 has it's pcie lanes cut in half which is a bigger issue on pcie 3.0 systems then if it weren't cut down from x16

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

On older rig like Intel 8th gen you are better off with 3060 12 GB imho.

[Monk]

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They probably aren't going to be the same price either, but if you are already having vram issues on the 1070's 8GB, in the games you play, I think you have the answer, though Intel, and ir second hand should be considered also when in a set budget

they are within 20$ but yeah i was leaning more towards the 3060 since it does feature more vram and the 4060 has it's pcie lanes cut in half which is a bigger issue on pcie 3.0 systems then if it weren't cut down from x16

The pcie lane difference has zero impact, you need a far faster gpu to saturated 8 pcie4 lanes.

[Bing Chilling]

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they are within 20$ but yeah i was leaning more towards the 3060 since it does feature more vram and the 4060 has it's pcie lanes cut in half which is a bigger issue on pcie 3.0 systems then if it weren't cut down from x16

The pcie lane difference has zero impact, you need a far faster gpu to saturated 8 pcie4 lanes.

it does. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koTVR0fH6KA&t=30s
and even more so with the 4060 than the 3060
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMOxX1IvfIw

with the 3060 you maybe loose 1-5%
with the 4060 you loose 5-15%

even with the loss the 4060 is the faster card but it's closer then it usually would be between the two.

[Monk]

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The pcie lane difference has zero impact, you need a far faster gpu to saturated 8 pcie4 lanes.

it does. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koTVR0fH6KA&t=30s
and even more so with the 4060 vs the 3060
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMOxX1IvfIw

That is pcie3 vs pcie4, 0cie4 has double the bandwidth of pcie3, so 8x pcie4 is the same as 16x pcie3.

As I said, it will be fine.

[Bing Chilling]

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it does. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koTVR0fH6KA&t=30s
and even more so with the 4060 vs the 3060
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMOxX1IvfIw

That is pcie3 vs pcie4, 0cie4 has double the bandwidth of pcie3, so 8x pcie4 is the same as 16x pcie3.

As I said, it will be fine.

... i don't have a pcie 4.0 board
i mentioned my system in the original post.
the 4060 is pcie 8x which is fine for 4.0 boards but since it halves pcie 3.0 bandwidth making it more or less 2.0 speeds.

[Monk]

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That is pcie3 vs pcie4, 0cie4 has double the bandwidth of pcie3, so 8x pcie4 is the same as 16x pcie3.

As I said, it will be fine.

... i don't have a pcie 4.0 board
i mentioned my system in the original post.
the 4060 is pcie 8x which is fine for 4.0 boards but since it halves pcie 3.0 bandwidth making it more or less 2.0 speeds.

Edit.
Sorry I miss read it, you will still be fine, you won't be anywhere close to saturating a pcie3 x16 slot on a 3060.

[Monk]

Put it this, way, the 4060 is faster and uses more bandwidth, if it is fine on a pcie3 x16, then so is the 3060.

[Bing Chilling]

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Put it this, way, the 4060 is faster and uses more bandwidth, if it is fine on a pcie3 x16, then so is the 3060.

what are you talking about ..

you don't seem to understand that the 4060 is a 8X card and why that matters for 3.0 pcie.
when it runs on pcie 4.0 it will only use 8 of those lanes. since the card doesn't fully saturate the bandwidth it is fine. it however will also only use 8 of the lanes on pcie 3.0

the bandwidth on both is cut in half. meaning on 4.0 it can use upto 15.754 GB/s
but on 3.0 it can only use up to 7.877 GB/s instead of the full amount of pcie 3.0
which is 15.754 GB/s

the 3060 is a pcie 16x card meaning it can use upto the full bandwidth of ether 4.0 or 3.0 (not that it actually does)

the reason there's a performance loss is that the 4060 and 3060 will use more then 7.877 GB/s but since the 3060 isn't limited by 8 lanes on pcie it doesn't matter nearly as much as it does for the 4060.

with the 3060 you loose 1-5%
with the 4060 you loose 5-15%
depending on the game.

again 4060 will still be faster but not as much with less vram. it's why i even made this post in the first place. is it worth the get more vram but a slightly less powerful gpu on my current setup or get less vram and a slightly faster card on my setup.

[A&A]

3060 at this point.
Like the RTX4060 is faster than the 3060 by 10-15% in raw performance, but then gets rekt because the PCIe lanes are slowing the card. VRAM is situational, but good to have like in your case.
Yeah, you won't have DLSS FG and it will consume more electricity but the upscaler is the same. I would take more frames based on the game engine simulation instead of other frames.

[Monk]

It will be fine, neither card comes close to satursting it.

Here, from puget testing a 4080

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Frtx-4060-in-a-pcie-3-0-x-8-slot-instead-of-a-pcie-4-0-x-8-v0-sjch6ac6yomd1.png%3Fwidth%3D720%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dc6f856cb5b9f873503a0f529c7ecdbc0f7a9982b

So, even in my sleep deprived confusion, as I said, you'd be fine.

[A&A]

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It will be fine, neither card comes close to satursting it.

Here, from puget testing a 4080

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Frtx-4060-in-a-pcie-3-0-x-8-slot-instead-of-a-pcie-4-0-x-8-v0-sjch6ac6yomd1.png%3Fwidth%3D720%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dc6f856cb5b9f873503a0f529c7ecdbc0f7a9982b

So, even in my sleep deprived confusion, as I said, you'd be fine.

What is this benchmark? Static scene or an actual game?