Nvidea is making trillions off AI oriented cards

[Heitor Villa-Lobos]

Those cards run almost exclusively on GNU/Linux servers,

Still they won't give gamers and personal PCs their support. Why??

The sooner we all move on to gaming on GNU, the sooner we will all enjoy a better and richer experience for everyone.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Iggy Wolf:

I feel like Nvidia positions itself similarly to Apple and Mercedez-Benz/BMW. And I'm not one to normally use phone or car analogies, but like those companies and the brand/name recognition attached to them, they can afford to be greedy because no one is challenging their position at the top. Android is open-source vs Apple's closed eco-system and yet Apple has the higher market share. AMD is Nvidia's "Android" competition. They don't even have to care. Their name alone will carry them.

If you want someone to compete with them, they'll just have to put out a better product. Nvidia unfortunately isn't required to share their tech that gives them an advantage in AI and ML. Let's remember that Apple got first pickings in the smartphone business. But Samsung, LG, Microsoft, Google, and Motorola had to develop their own OS with Android to compete. They couldn't use whatever Apple was doing with iOS. And quite frankly, I'm not sure that these days, anyone would necessarily consider iOS superior to Android.

Perhaps if AMD and Intel release something better for AI and ML, they might give Nvidia some competition. Right now, they're only competitive in terms of performance/value. Raw performance though. They're very behind in raytracing or backwards compatibility unfortunately.

It would be solely up to them to change that. Nvidia has no reason to "help" them or consider the needs of gamers. I mean, does Apple give a ♥♥♥♥ whether the average consumer can actually afford their phone? (Without a plan, at retail price, you'd pay $1000-$1500 for an iPhone).

57% of USA seems to be using iPhone
However; 70% of the WORLD is using Android
So please look at the whole world and not just richer Americans.

iPhone users from what I see, are just a bunch of blind robots, who happen to make good money; mostly. Couldn't pay me to use iPhone, and you also couldn't pay me to use AMD GPUs.

Just my 2 cents.
I can't help that NVIDIA GPUs on the market have gone the way they have.
But I also can't stand how AMD GPUs run, their drivers and software, how most games run and look like crap on them; etc. That is the truth and I can't help that. I will continue using NVIDIA GPUs.

[r.linder]

Opprinnelig skrevet av 🦜Cloud Boy🦜:

Goodwill doesn't come from air.
It comes from the people.
If Nvidia has 80% GPU market share today, it means majority of people Love Nvidia's products.
And despite relatively higher price of few cards in this generation, AMD got nothing out of it.
Nvidia is still sitting on 80%.

wccftech.com/gpu-shipments-continued-to-decline-in-q1-2023-nvidia-at-84-amd-at-12-intel-at-4-market-share/amp/

NVIDIA totally doesn't take part in any anti-competitive practices, no sir. They totally didn't just try to block their partners from working with Intel on Battlemage, like they totally didn't try before with AMD.

That 80% is totally earned in its entirety and not skewed at all.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Opprinnelig skrevet av 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

Opprinnelig skrevet av 🦜Cloud Boy🦜:

Goodwill doesn't come from air.
It comes from the people.
If Nvidia has 80% GPU market share today, it means majority of people Love Nvidia's products.
And despite relatively higher price of few cards in this generation, AMD got nothing out of it.
Nvidia is still sitting on 80%.

wccftech.com/gpu-shipments-continued-to-decline-in-q1-2023-nvidia-at-84-amd-at-12-intel-at-4-market-share/amp/

NVIDIA totally doesn't take part in any anti-competitive practices, no sir. They totally didn't just try to block their partners from working with Intel on Battlemage, like they totally didn't try before with AMD.

That 80% is totally earned in its entirety and not skewed at all.

It's all part of the game to be honest. That's just business bro.

Car Dealerships and Gas Stations been doing this since they were a thing.

[r.linder]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Bad 💀 Motha:

Opprinnelig skrevet av 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

NVIDIA totally doesn't take part in any anti-competitive practices, no sir. They totally didn't just try to block their partners from working with Intel on Battlemage, like they totally didn't try before with AMD.

That 80% is totally earned in its entirety and not skewed at all.

It's all part of the game to be honest. That's just business bro.

Car Dealerships and Gas Stations been doing this since they were a thing.

Yeah I know, but fanboys need to stop pretending that their preferred brand is innocent. None of them are, they'll all do whatever it takes to get an edge.

[Heitor Villa-Lobos]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Bad 💀 Motha:

It's all part of the game to be honest. That's just business bro.

Car Dealerships and Gas Stations been doing this since they were a thing.

No, its not part of the game.
Some people seem to deffend Capitalism without even knowing what it is about.
Its not "anything goes, Money is our God", it values *competition* itself. At least on paper...

The fact that "the game" is always tempered and cheated is why Capitalism fails on a Humanitarian sense. One could argue that there has never been a "truely Capitalist" nation, but the theory and the practice will always differ.

You citing the Oil business, the most bloody, war-causing and anti-environmental business on the planet, as an example just goes to show how people litetally will take the worst deturpations of Capitalism as the norm and mirror it...

[r.linder]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Heitor Villa-Lobos:

No, its not part of the game.
Some people seem to deffend Capitalism without even knowing what it is about.
Its not "anything goes, Money is our God", it values *competition* itself. At least on paper...

People defend it because in the past, it's worked out well for people. Many people have built fortunes because of the opportunities afforded to them by nations under such a system.

However, as with any system, it has its flaws, one of which also happens to be one of its strengths, the rich have taken advantage of their circumstances at the expense of others. But there is no solid alternative that doesn't have its own dangerous potential.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Heitor Villa-Lobos:

The fact that "the game" is always tempered and cheated is why Capitalism fails on a Humanitarian sense. One could argue that there has never been a "truely Capitalist" nation, but the theory and the practice will always differ.

A lack of humanitarianism is not a fault in the system, it's a fault in the individual. There are wealthy people who do practice it, and there are others who don't. It's up to the individual to choose, and most people don't make that choice either, wealth has nothing to do with it. Average people walk by those who struggle every day without even batting an eye.
Pretty much all political theorem is hypothetical, and they all have benefits and consequences in practice.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Heitor Villa-Lobos:

You citing the Oil business, the most bloody, war-causing and anti-environmental business on the planet, as an example just goes to show how people litetally will take the worst deturpations of Capitalism as the norm and mirror it...

Humans have started wars and destroyed the environment long before the industrial age and long before Capitalism was even coined, it just accelerated as the human population grew and we crafted more efficient tools. It doesn't matter what form of political system a nation operates under, that won't really change because conflict is inevitable.

A lot of naive and short-sighted people argue that Socialism would be better for us than Capitalism, but as history has shown time and time again, giving those who govern too much power always inevitably leads to its misuse. There are people who actually lived under totalitarian governments that are absolutely flabbergasted that people who have been taught the history could still believe that it's the answer.
People need to get off their high horse and realise that there is no such thing as a system that works perfectly, there never will be, anything we create will have inherent flaws, but the system most of us live under is close enough and worked for so long, the problem is that people have let themselves become gripped by ignorance, weakness, laziness, excuses. If your live is hard, you can make it better, it's still very possible for people to get what they want out of life, people still do build from nothing. People just want to sit around and pretend like they can't change a thing, which is an incredibly dangerous narrative.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Heitor Villa-Lobos:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Bad 💀 Motha:

It's all part of the game to be honest. That's just business bro.

Car Dealerships and Gas Stations been doing this since they were a thing.

No, its not part of the game.
Some people seem to deffend Capitalism without even knowing what it is about.
Its not "anything goes, Money is our God", it values *competition* itself. At least on paper...

The fact that "the game" is always tempered and cheated is why Capitalism fails on a Humanitarian sense. One could argue that there has never been a "truely Capitalist" nation, but the theory and the practice will always differ.

You citing the Oil business, the most bloody, war-causing and anti-environmental business on the planet, as an example just goes to show how people litetally will take the worst deturpations of Capitalism as the norm and mirror it...

You think NVIDIA is the only ones doing AI or making stuff for AI?
And no it's not only Intel and AMD. Intel / AMD / NVIDIA are just a few when it comes to AI stuff.

NVIDIA isn't doing anything wrong for the most part. No one is stepping up to the plate to do better.

I really don't know why so many of you try to waste hours in your day thinking about it.

[Omega]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Bad 💀 Motha:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Heitor Villa-Lobos:

No, its not part of the game.
Some people seem to deffend Capitalism without even knowing what it is about.
Its not "anything goes, Money is our God", it values *competition* itself. At least on paper...

The fact that "the game" is always tempered and cheated is why Capitalism fails on a Humanitarian sense. One could argue that there has never been a "truely Capitalist" nation, but the theory and the practice will always differ.

You citing the Oil business, the most bloody, war-causing and anti-environmental business on the planet, as an example just goes to show how people litetally will take the worst deturpations of Capitalism as the norm and mirror it...

You think NVIDIA is the only ones doing AI or making stuff for AI?
And no it's not only Intel and AMD. Intel / AMD / NVIDIA are just a few when it comes to AI stuff.

NVIDIA isn't doing anything wrong for the most part. No one is stepping up to the plate to do better.

Nvidia has a monopoly, the entire sector is build around their CUDA technology making it almost impossible for competitors to compete.

CUDA is a closed standard and Nvidia has no plans to change this.

Intel, AMD, whenever they build this type of technology they are very likely make them open standards or even fully open source their implementation. Nvidia never does this.

Nvidia is currently under investigation by the French for anti-competitive practices, they raided an Nvidia office a few weeks ago. The EU may soon join in as well with their own formal investigation.

[🦜Cloud Boy🦜]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Omega:

Nvidia has a monopoly, the entire sector is build around their CUDA technology making it almost impossible for competitors to compete.

CUDA is a closed standard and Nvidia has no plans to change this.

Gamers don't care about CUDA, and yet NVIDIA is most popular among gamers.
Steam Hardware Survey shows the top 10 most used GPUs by Steam users are all NVIDIA,
AMD is at the 12th place.

CUDA is good but people Love NVIDIA nevertheless.

[Omega]

Opprinnelig skrevet av 🦜Cloud Boy🦜:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Omega:

Nvidia has a monopoly, the entire sector is build around their CUDA technology making it almost impossible for competitors to compete.

CUDA is a closed standard and Nvidia has no plans to change this.

Gamers don't care about CUDA, and yet NVIDIA is most popular among gamers.
Steam Hardware Survey shows the top 10 most used GPUs by Steam users are all NVIDIA,
AMD is at the 12th place.

CUDA is good but people Love NVIDIA nevertheless.

This whole conversation is about CUDA and its monopoly in the professional market. I never mentioned normal consumers.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

CUDA has nothing to do with AI Deep Learning GPUs though.

[Omega]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Bad 💀 Motha:

CUDA has nothing to do with AI Deep Learning GPUs though.

It does, it is the primary technology utilized for machine learning, or any type of GPU accelerated computation.

PyTorch, Tensorflow, Jupyter Notebook, Google Colab, all this tech or implementations build upon them heavily rely on CUDA for GPU acceleration.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Well AMD has CDNA for that also. It's not their fault no one wants to use it.

[Omega]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Bad 💀 Motha:

Well AMD has CDNA for that also. It's not their fault no one wants to use it.

CDNA is hardware. I am talking about software, AMDs alternative to CUDA would be ROCm.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Still, it's not a monopoly. NVIDIA coined CUDA and that's what most are using.
That's just how it is. There is nothing wrong with it.

Seriously, anyone with enough money and technical know-how could have stepped up and challenged NVIDIA years ago. No one did and so, here we are. Don't hate the big players who have no challengers. That's all I'm saying.

Waste of time speaking about this.

I mean what would change? Who's going to challenge them.

You want the alternative? Cause eventually it will be some Chinese tech company, and you don't want that, trust me. China is already working very hard to produce consumer chips to mix up the consumer CPU and GPU markets. I wouldn't care if China company makes a GPU with $1000 worth of performance for extremely low price, I won't buy it. I wouldn't be able to have any faith or trust in it.