The Linux experience. Hardware Nightmare.

[Thermal Lance]

NOTE: First, Linux works EXCEPTIONALLY well on my older PC. What I am about to describe is happening with my new laptop. YES, the laptop is fine, I had it checked several times over at this point.





Ubuntu - Works but I literally cannot shutdown/restart because the system hangs forever. System cannot recover from sleep properly either. (This will be a theme.)

Mint - Can't recover from sleep.

Arch - Can't recover from sleep.

EndeavourOS - Can't recover from sleep. Hibernate does work thought go figure.


Anyway, you get the idea. Every single distro under the sun have been ♥♥♥♥♥♥ in one way or another on my end. Yeah yeah, I get it, Skill Issue. But, the point is, as far as new experiences comes on newer hardware. This has been worse than Windows ME back then for me. XD

YES, I looked for help/fix/anything really. But, almost every single thread I found led to nowhere or straight up didnt work as a solution.

BUT THEN. I tried Fedora. And it just works. Outside from a small adjustment due to NVidia Drivers + secure boot. (You can literally just disable secure boot if you dont want to deal with that.)

So, YEAH, definately sticking with what works but im fairly confident these issues I had will be fixed in due time.

Alright, the venting is over. XD

Now, about having a discussion. Dear Linux users, have you dealt with similar nonsense in the past?

[lsdninja]

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YES, I looked for help/fix/anything really. But, almost every single thread I found led to nowhere or straight up didnt work as a solution.

That's Linux for you. You aren't supposed to have to look for help since you're expected to have all the knowledge you need the moment you're pushed out of your mothers hoo-ha.

Now, about having a discussion. Dear Linux users, have you dealt with similar nonsense in the past?

So often that I stopped keeping track. The one that sticks out most recently is how I have two systems that straight up crash if you switch the KVM away if they're in any state between fully unlocked or fully asleep.

[icehat]

Yeah, linux desktop stuff has always felt brittle and ever-changing. I've never used a full desktop environment that didn't have at least one annoying issue, by the time it gets fixed they swap out a piece of the software stack for something new and shiny that introduces 3 more problems

Sleep/hibernate on new laptops is usually some degree of broken, most hardware manufacturers don't officially support linux so it's up to kernel developers to ♥♥♥♥♥♥ whatever terrible ACPI implementation they came up with. Nvidia drivers on linux are also a total mess.

[Heitor Villa-Lobos]

I have experienced some nonsense issues with some card or peripheral, that I could not solve, and distro hopping worked for me.

Keep in mind that a lot of manufacturers work together with Microsoft to build their products, while many drivers for Linux are generic or made by the community.

Overall, people also make a big case out of issues they run into when using GNU/Linux, and say "Windows just works" but completely forget there are thousands of humans writing on these very forums about issues with M$ Windows.

On the other hand, I first switched to GNU because of issues on M$ SpywareOS that I couldn't fix.
Every single issue on GNU I either managed to fix, or found a distro that just worked.

[Thermal Lance]

UPDATE:

Gaming on Windows = 144fps capped

Gaming on Fedora = 90-120

With an RTX 3050 on QUAKE 2.

Solution online? Go F- yourself.

I'm done. Screw Linux. My hobby is gaming not constantly ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ an OS.

[Omega]

Sounds like a typical Nvidia issue. Nvidia wants you to use their proprietary GPU drivers and utterly refuses to assist the development of the open source ones. Laptops especially often have issues with black screens on boot or other glitches until you install the Nvidia drivers. Running the machine with nomodeset tends to get around these issues which at least should make you able to install the drivers.

These issues are exclusive to Nvidia, they are one of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ companies you could try to collaborate with on FOSS, they will actively resist any attempt at opening up their hardware, software or firmware.

Nvidia has now started to work on an open source driver, slowly, but it is stil alpha quality.

The only reason people are willing to deal with Nvidia's crap is because they have a monopoly on tech like CUDA.

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

Linux is trash for Gaming. Doesn't really have the hardware freedoms.

That is just wrong. And what do you mean with "hardware freedoms"? Linux will run on anything you throw at it, Nvidia being the only one which systematically has issues because the company behind the hardware is just greedy and refuses to try and make their hardware usable out-of-the-box.

Intel and AMD, plug and play, it all just works.
https://youtu.be/i2lhwb_OckQ

[Thermal Lance]

Omega eredeti hozzászólása:

Sounds like a typical Nvidia issue. Nvidia wants you to use their proprietary GPU drivers and utterly refuses to assist the development of the open source ones. Laptops especially often have issues with black screens on boot or other glitches until you install the Nvidia drivers. Running the machine with nomodeset tends to get around these issues which at least should make you able to install the drivers.

These issues are exclusive to Nvidia, they are one of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ companies you could try to collaborate with on FOSS, they will actively resist any attempt at opening up their hardware, software or firmware.

Nvidia has now started to work on an open source driver, slowly, but it is stil alpha quality.

The only reason people are willing to deal with Nvidia's crap is because they have a monopoly on tech like CUDA.

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

Linux is trash for Gaming. Doesn't really have the hardware freedoms.

That is just wrong. And what do you mean with "hardware freedoms"? Linux will run on anything you throw at it, Nvidia being the only one which systematically has issues because the company behind the hardware is just greedy and refuses to try and make their hardware usable out-of-the-box.

Intel and AMD, plug and play, it all just works.
https://youtu.be/i2lhwb_OckQ

EndeavourOS / Arch Linux performed fine. I have no idea why Fedora in particular is running my games like crap. Add on top that I had many issues with the 2 former and im just running out of patience at this point.

Microsoft can spyware my ass all day to sunday now. I don't care. I just want it to work. X_X

[lsdninja]

Omega eredeti hozzászólása:

Nvidia being the only one which systematically has issues because the company behind the hardware is just greedy and refuses to try and make their hardware usable out-of-the-box.

This cuts both ways.

[Lord Flashheart]

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UPDATE:

Gaming on Windows = 144fps capped

Gaming on Fedora = 90-120

With an RTX 3050 on QUAKE 2.

Solution online? Go F- yourself.

I'm done. Screw Linux. My hobby is gaming not constantly ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ an OS.

I suggest a dual boot setup.
Windows - only games.
Linux - Anything important. The windows privacy policy is mainly why I do.


Of course linux has issues with the latest hardware.
The hardware is probably released with windows in mind.
The some coll people fix it work with linux for no pay.
I recall about 2 years ago, updated the motherboard.
Linux worked great except for the network adapter.
Lots of searching and found a solution.

If you have major issue with linux, then ask for a refund.

[Thermal Lance]

Lord Flashheart eredeti hozzászólása:

Thermal Lance eredeti hozzászólása:

UPDATE:

Gaming on Windows = 144fps capped

Gaming on Fedora = 90-120

With an RTX 3050 on QUAKE 2.

Solution online? Go F- yourself.

I'm done. Screw Linux. My hobby is gaming not constantly ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ an OS.

I suggest a dual boot setup.
Windows - only games.
Linux - Anything important. The windows privacy policy is mainly why I do.


Of course linux has issues with the latest hardware.
The hardware is probably released with windows in mind.
The some coll people fix it work with linux for no pay.
I recall about 2 years ago, updated the motherboard.
Linux worked great except for the network adapter.
Lots of searching and found a solution.

If you have major issue with linux, then ask for a refund.

I sure would ask a refund if I could. XD

[r.linder]

My experience with EndeavourOS and Nvidia have been fine.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

尺．し工几句ヨ尺 eredeti hozzászólása:

My experience with EndeavourOS and Nvidia have been fine.

@Thermal Lance Give that OS a try.
Also other NVIDIA friendly ones such as:
Pop_OS
Mint
Manjaro

[r.linder]

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

尺．し工几句ヨ尺 eredeti hozzászólása:

My experience with EndeavourOS and Nvidia have been fine.

@Thermal Lance Give that OS a try.
Also other NVIDIA friendly ones such as:
Pop_OS
Mint
Manjaro

Comment #6

He was already using almost all of those before I think, his main issues seemed to pop up with Fedora, his problem is jumping around from OS to OS and expecting much better results, when Linux generally grants slightly lowered gaming performance compared to Windows 10/11 for a lot of games, some might perform better but it's a hit or miss, typically that's because of Nvidia's proprietary linux drivers though

[Thermal Lance]

尺．し工几句ヨ尺 eredeti hozzászólása:

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

@Thermal Lance Give that OS a try.
Also other NVIDIA friendly ones such as:
Pop_OS
Mint
Manjaro

Comment #6

He was already using almost all of those before I think, his main issues seemed to pop up with Fedora, his problem is jumping around from OS to OS and expecting much better results, when Linux generally grants slightly lowered gaming performance compared to Windows 10/11 for a lot of games, some might perform better but it's a hit or miss, typically that's because of Nvidia's proprietary linux drivers though

Except Endeavour had almost the same performance. >_>

Which is why I was kinda shocked with Fedora.

IMO, I could have PROBABLY found a way to fix it if I really tried. But, after wasting a whole day on this ♥♥♥♥, I ran out of patience.

[r.linder]

Thermal Lance eredeti hozzászólása:

尺．し工几句ヨ尺 eredeti hozzászólása:

Comment #6

He was already using almost all of those before I think, his main issues seemed to pop up with Fedora, his problem is jumping around from OS to OS and expecting much better results, when Linux generally grants slightly lowered gaming performance compared to Windows 10/11 for a lot of games, some might perform better but it's a hit or miss, typically that's because of Nvidia's proprietary linux drivers though

Except Endeavour had almost the same performance. >_>

Which is why I was kinda shocked with Fedora.

IMO, I could have PROBABLY found a way to fix it if I really tried. But, after wasting a whole day on this ♥♥♥♥, I ran out of patience.

The performance metrics aren't even bad, they're just lower than Windows, which isn't surprising. Still, it's overshadowed by all of the other issues with Windows that pushed people away from it, and nothing is going to improve on Linux if people just give up because of FPS and go back to Windows, it needs people to actually stick with it and try to contribute.

[Thermal Lance]

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Except Endeavour had almost the same performance. >_>

Which is why I was kinda shocked with Fedora.

IMO, I could have PROBABLY found a way to fix it if I really tried. But, after wasting a whole day on this ♥♥♥♥, I ran out of patience.

The performance metrics aren't even bad, they're just lower than Windows, which isn't surprising. Still, it's overshadowed by all of the other issues with Windows that pushed people away from it, and nothing is going to improve on Linux if people just give up because of FPS and go back to Windows, it needs people to actually stick with it and try to contribute.

Read this time.

I had great performance on EndeavourOS. 144FPS in the game I tested because I still had some headroom. There is something going on with Fedora. But, 39 is about to drop and I have hopes, with the more updated kernel and other, that it will bring that up for my hardware.

Windows: 144FPS

EndeavourOS: 144FPS

Fedora for some reasons: ♥♥♥♥♥ FPS.

Do I need to repeat that again?