Worth to upgrade Ryzen 3600XT to Ryzen 5700X?

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Saw that the Ryzen 5000 Series CPUs got a good performance boost like 20 FPS and I got a Radeon 5600XT and want to upgrade to a 7800XT later on so was wondering if I should start now and upgrade my CPU to the 5700X?

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Bad 💀 Motha の投稿を引用：

Illusion of Progress の投稿を引用：

I don't think upgrading from one CPU generation to the next is very worthwhile. Most people don't that with GPUs, let alone CPUs. Even though Zen 2 to Zen 3 was a nice uplift, I wouldn't even find it worth it there.

I agree with some other replies, either go with the 5800X3D (or 5600X3D if you have a Micro Center nearby with some in stock) or nothing at all. While the 5800X3D is also Zen 3, its performance in games on average is a similar to the Ryzen 7000 series, so you would be looking at two effective generations of performance uplift for games.

Otherwise, you could sit with the 3600XT and then wait for the next CPU generations coming and then decide to move to either one of them (or to possibly reduced prices on the previous, and right now latest, stuff).

I understand a 7800 XT might seem a bit high for Zen 2 but every system has a bottleneck all of the time anyway, so I wouldn't fuss over "it can bottleneck". Yes, it can... and so do Core i9 13900Ks and 7800X3Ds, so that loses a bit of its meaning.

Yes that be true if maybe you were talking about moving from say a 12th gen to 13th gen i7.

There is a HUGE difference between even a 3800X vs 5800X3D. And if you are primarily gaming; then yes that 5800X3D will be very worth it.

He/she can sit on that 3600 CPU and play the waiting game. But they will just have to upgrade Motherboard and RAM later anyways regardless.

At least the 5800X3D is a viable upgrade still and will be fine for many years to come.

3600 was kind of crap from the start as it was only a budget mid-range CPU.
The XT was just a money grabbing refresh and didn't really improve much except the TDP and clocks, slightly.

3600 is like having a 10th Gen i3 or i5; where as the 5800X3D is upwards of 12th Gen i7/i9 performance.

Illusion of Progress の投稿を引用：

I don't think upgrading from one CPU generation to the next is very worthwhile. Most people don't that with GPUs, let alone CPUs. Even though Zen 2 to Zen 3 was a nice uplift, I wouldn't even find it worth it there.

I agree with some other replies, either go with the 5800X3D (or 5600X3D if you have a Micro Center nearby with some in stock) or nothing at all. While the 5800X3D is also Zen 3, its performance in games on average is a similar to the Ryzen 7000 series, so you would be looking at two effective generations of performance uplift for games.

Otherwise, you could sit with the 3600XT and then wait for the next CPU generations coming and then decide to move to either one of them (or to possibly reduced prices on the previous, and right now latest, stuff).

I understand a 7800 XT might seem a bit high for Zen 2 but every system has a bottleneck all of the time anyway, so I wouldn't fuss over "it can bottleneck". Yes, it can... and so do Core i9 13900Ks and 7800X3Ds, so that loses a bit of its meaning.

Got the 3600XT cause it was cheaper than the 3600X and non X at that time but theres no more CPU coming for AM4 right? Might get 5800X3D soon and get 7800XT a couple months later or if I can find one below $500

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Bad 💀 Motha の投稿を引用：

尺．し工几句ヨ尺 の投稿を引用：

It will bottleneck, Zen2 processors were already bottlenecking the 2080 Ti back in 2019 and 2020, so anything with equivalent performance or higher will get bottlenecked as well. Even GamersNexus had said that it can bottleneck even at 4K resolution.

I would suggest getting a 5800X3D over the 5700X at this point because there isn't much of a reason to go for the lower end SKUs other than price.

People say this way too much without actually knowing what a CPU bottleneck even looks like though. A more powerful GPU is not going to automatically bottleneck certain CPUs; it depends what you are running and how demanding the app or game is. Plus you can alleviate some of that by capping the FPS; since higher FPS puts a higher demand on the CPU, not just the GPU alone.

If the OP really needs a better CPU for what he/she uses the PC for, it will be revealed to them when they start seeing the CPU usage going above 80-90% and the GPU not being used to the fullest like it should be.

I've seen it first-hand when I went from a 3900X to a 10850K with a 2080 Ti, there was a huge jump in some instances, a small one in others. It obviously depends on the load, but it's still a fact nonetheless that a 3600XT will bottleneck a 7800XT a lot more than an 5000 series chip.

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Bad 💀 Motha の投稿を引用：

Yes that be true if maybe you were talking about moving from say a 12th gen to 13th gen i7.

There is a HUGE difference between even a 3800X vs 5800X3D. And if you are primarily gaming; then yes that 5800X3D will be very worth it.

I mean, I agree(d) with you there. I moved from a 3700X to a 5800X3D myself. I specifically said the 5800X3D would be a good option because it represents two generations of performance uplift on average for games (though even that's low, the Zen 2 to Zen 4 gap is sizable and it can be done on the existing platform). I was referring to the originally proposed upgrade in the titles of going from a 3600XT to 5700X as something I didn't find worthwhile.

Bad 💀 Motha の投稿を引用：

3600 was kind of crap from the start as it was only a budget mid-range CPU.
The XT was just a money grabbing refresh and didn't really improve much except the TDP and clocks, slightly.

Agreed that the XTs were an awful value, but the 3600X was a great CPU. I think a lot of people are retroactively dismissing Zen 2 now since it's no longer up there with the latest generations, but this was arguably the Zen generation that made Ryzen come of age. It was when AMD finally had per core performance so close to Intel that the difference didn't matter, and they cost a lot less. It's nothing to write home of today but it's still fine.

And back then, there wasn't a big reason to go for octo cores for gaming.

Bad 💀 Motha の投稿を引用：

3600 is like having a 10th Gen i3 or i5; where as the 5800X3D is upwards of 12th Gen i7/i9 performance.

The 3600/3600X is close to a Core i7 8700/8700K or Core i5 10400 or so, yeah. Similar per core performance, same number of cores/threads. And that's still okay. Nowhere near a 5800X3D, and not great compared to today's best offerings, no, but it's still okay, and it certainly wasn't awful three/four years ago from the start.

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尺．し工几句ヨ尺 の投稿を引用：

Bad 💀 Motha の投稿を引用：

People say this way too much without actually knowing what a CPU bottleneck even looks like though. A more powerful GPU is not going to automatically bottleneck certain CPUs; it depends what you are running and how demanding the app or game is. Plus you can alleviate some of that by capping the FPS; since higher FPS puts a higher demand on the CPU, not just the GPU alone.

If the OP really needs a better CPU for what he/she uses the PC for, it will be revealed to them when they start seeing the CPU usage going above 80-90% and the GPU not being used to the fullest like it should be.

I've seen it first-hand when I went from a 3900X to a 10850K with a 2080 Ti, there was a huge jump in some instances, a small one in others. It obviously depends on the load, but it's still a fact nonetheless that a 3600XT will bottleneck a 7800XT a lot more than an 5000 series chip.

Probably it was more likely due to the fact that the 3900X/3950X were poorer in games as many games never would use those threads properly. In most games with that CPU series the 3800X does better like 90% of the time.

To the OP, if you just missed Amazon Prime Day sales that happened for like a whole week (just ended Oct 12) then yea, maybe save up some money and wait for another good sale, which as we all know will be in Nov, even before Black Friday many retailers have similar sales all November long. It was hard to pass up this past Prime Day Sales Event as we were getting 7900 XTX on Amazon for $500 (yes 50% off). I see plenty of AMD 7800 XT online for $499 as we speak though.

But yes the AM4 socket is dead. What's out for boards and CPUs is all we'll ever see for it. AMD move to AM5 and DDR5 as of late 2022. So your choices (without going Intel) would be get a 5800X3D + AIO LC or a beefy air cooler. Or go with all new AM5 Motherboard + CPU + DDR5 RAM.

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Bad 💀 Motha の投稿を引用：

尺．し工几句ヨ尺 の投稿を引用：

I've seen it first-hand when I went from a 3900X to a 10850K with a 2080 Ti, there was a huge jump in some instances, a small one in others. It obviously depends on the load, but it's still a fact nonetheless that a 3600XT will bottleneck a 7800XT a lot more than an 5000 series chip.

Probably it was more likely due to the fact that the 3900X/3950X were poorer in games as many games never would use those threads properly. In most games with that CPU series the 3800X does better like 90% of the time.

That's not an uncommon assumption for people to make since people spread that crap like wildfire due to a few bad results in specific instances where the application doesn't respond well to multiple cores from multiple chiplets being used due to the additional latency penalty, but even that can be immediately solved by forcing the program to select specific cores from a single chiplet or even a single cluster.

In most cases, the 3900X is equal to or faster than the lower end SKUs, and it still doesn't discount the fact that Zen2 bottlenecks high end video cards in general. The 3900X can easily be made notably faster than the Ryzen 5 3000 SKUs with tweaking.

The reason why Zen2 doesn't hold up in regards to the latest high end video cards is because those CPUs just don't have the ability to pull the weight put on them by those cards. Their IPC isn't bad, but their frequencies compared to Intel which already had similar IPC, were just too low. The gaps close when you can get those frequencies up, but most Zen2 SKUs just don't have high enough quality silicon to handle that. If Zen3 hadn't brought as much of an improvement to frequency as it did, it wouldn't have been such a good generation, and 7000 series would've been more well received because of the larger difference.

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[Bad 💀 Motha]

Overall it's not a big deal; if the OP can't afford to upgrade both CPU & GPU at the same time, getting the GPU first will still help get more performance in games right now. Then get the CPU as soon as possible. As getting the CPU first really isn't going to help games all that much while using that fairly aged 5600 XT

Not much point to allowing such FPS unless you have 165-240 Hz screen and able to hit that 165 as an average. Something along those lines.

I find it rather pointless to play a game like RDR2 have have it hitting like 200 FPS. Stupid FPS and for what. Slow clap awards or something? F all that, crank up the visual quality instead.

Now if you playing Overwatch or Destiny 2 (sorry I can't list CSGO anymore; RIP) then sure, by all means, try to get the best FPS possible without game looking like crayon mud.

[r.linder]

AM4 stock won't last forever, if he waits too long then even the 5800X3D won't be justifiable. GPU stock isn't really an issue considering there's so many cards that are a lot better than the 5600-XT.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Yea I mean that's definately something OP will need to think about and look to budget for. If GPU now, CPU later, then when will buy CPU? If not by end of 2023 then I say forget it and go all out AM5 setup. Then put the 7800 XT into that system and put the Ryzen 3600XT + Radeon 5600 XT for other uses, or lesser demanding games and such.

3600XT + 5600 XT is still fairly good for most games @ 1080p that don't need a crazy amount of VRAM and crazy CPU IPC

If going 7800 XT yes I'd definitely be looking to run everything @ 1440p/144Hz minimum; as 7800 XT is approx 29-35% faster then 2080 Ti which people had no problems in many games running at 2160p

[r.linder]

All depends on how long AMD will continue producing 5800X3Ds and how much they sell for, IMO they aren't really worth buying outside of Microcenter unless another vendor has them at a stupid low price, they were cheaper than the 7000 series Ryzen 7s not that long ago

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Yea but I can go to a single MicroCenter and they have like 30 of them in stock, at least and that's just in the glass case. Doesn't count for what might be in the back stock room. This is just ONE store, and also with places like Newegg and Amazon, which easily have 100+ of that CPU in-stock at just one warehouse location... I mean cmon it's not going to disappear that quick.

I doubt AMD still produces them though. That wouldn't make much sense if stocks aren't running low enough to justify it. As it would be costing AMD roughly the same manufacturing costs to produce those as newer CPUs.

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Vendors will likely start raising their prices as supplies dwindle though and nobody can say for certain when that'll be, but very few people are actually buying AM5 still because it's difficult to justify the overall cost over competing platforms, especially if you're already on AM4.

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i posted some results earlier in the Nexus video link

CS2 1080p/medium, 0.1% low fps, 4090
3600 126
5800x3d 198

The OP has 300 hours in CS2 already so this game is somewhat relevant to the topic i think lal.

different graph

CS2 1080p/low, 0.1% low fps, 4090
13900k 226 ( e-cores off)
7700x 209
5800x3d 203


And while i'm also in the wait and see the GPU first camp, i find the timeline with a better deal to happen to be rather unrealistic, unless the OP has a hidden stash with free ddr5 sticks lying around. So the question really is whether vendors raise the prices more than they drop them on Black Friday/Christmas.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

No offence but CS2 is some straight up BETA TRASH.
It's no where near close to being ready, regardless of Valve replacing CSGO w/ CS2 or not.
It is complete and utter trash and not optimized one bit. It plays like some 12 year old modder put together a "game" in a couple weeks.

The raising of RAM pricing is also just rumors. And wasn't even likely to happen before Jan 2024 and that was from Samsung. Most RAM don't use Samsung chips. So this has more to do with RAM prices aimed towards OEMs like Dell and HP then average consumers. It "could" raise some SSDs prices a little bit though. But again most likely not before Jan 2024 because what places like Newegg, Amazon and MicroCenter already have in-stock, they will want to sell off. They wouldn't take existing stock and drastically hike the prices.