About cpu ram and motherboard uprade

[SHREDDER]

It is 3 years and 1 month since my latest upgrade which was graphicsc card on november 2021. i upgrade mypc each 2 or 3 years. Whic means that now it is time to tihink about the next upgrade which will be cpu ram and motherbard.
The pc is

CPU: RYZEN 7 1700
RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15
GPU: RX 6700XT 12 GB RED DEVIL
SSD:MP 600 2TB WRITE:4950MB/S READ:4250MB/S
PSU; CORSAIR CX 750M 750 WATT
MOTHERBOARD: PRIME X370 PRO
MONITOR: DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS

If i decide to do it soon then iw ill get a RYZEN 9700X with 32 or 64 GB DDR5 6400 MHZ and a X870 motherboard. The cheapest x870 motherboard now in my country is the MSI X870 GAMING PLUS WIFI for 281 euros.

What is better to change them now or keep the cpu ram and motherboard until one of the 3 dies and then change them?
The pc is still very fast it loads evrything in 1 second(windows, games, internet, programs, movies/series) and also runs all games maxed 1440p 60 fps(iwth fsr win
those who have ray tracing). Which means that i dont realy need to change cpu yet.

But one of my friends who is a pc gamer and pc technician that i talked with him yesterday and will meet him on Friday said that according to his opinion it is bettert o change the graphics card again and keep the rest of the system until cpu or motherboard dies, he said to get a 5070 or 8700xt when they release on January instead of changing cpu ram and motherboard now

because he said(and this is truth) games are much more demanding in graphics card than p cu.
That why he beleives that it will be a better to choice to get one of these two graphics card so games can run max settings and max ray tracing without FSR at 60 fps.
But he has not upgraded his pc since 2016 and his pc is worse than the pc that all of us haveh ere(core i5 6600k 16 gb ddr4 2800mhx gtx 1070 250 gb pci 3.0 ssd).


But of course i dont trusr him because he has upgraded his pc since 2016

[RJS]

I would either keep it until it dies or change it all now

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

I upgrade my PC when I can't play games on epic settings anymore or has developed a gaming bottleneck - going on 7.5 years now, see you all on the other side someday - still on PCIe 3.0 as well and not sure if I will ever see PCIe 4.0 as 5.0 is approaching fast as the next standard - those with expendable income, please keep buying and upgrading yearly because it keeps the costs down in the long run and it helps to work out the bugs/flaws.

[SHREDDER]

Originally posted by RJS:

I would either keep it until it dies or change it all now

ok so keep until one o the 3(cpu ram or motherboard) dies andh ten changes them?

[SHREDDER]

Originally posted by WinterSolstice:

I upgrade my PC when I can't play games on epic settings anymore or has developed a gaming bottleneck - going on 7.5 years now, see you all on the other side someday - still on PCIe 3.0 as well and not sure if I will ever see PCIe 4.0 as 5.0 is approaching fast as the next standard - those with expendable income, please keep buying and upgrading yearly because it keeps the costs down in the long run and it helps to work out the bugs/flaws. :csd2smile:

I also do it since 2001 when id id my first upgrade. I upgrade when either the games stop work at max settings or when i want the pc to be faster(as we do much more things than just playing games and now days people use the pc daily anyway ) or when a component burns/dies.
But it is either 2 or 3 years that ido a upgrade.

[smokerob79]

Originally posted by SHREDDER:

Originally posted by smokerob79:

the 1700 is garbage now.....its time to upgrade all of it.....

that whati said i will change cpu ram and motherboard. the quesiton is if ido it now or keep it utnil it die and then change them.

keep the system regardless.....it will do well for internet and a daily driver even if your not daily driving it.....but in gaming its just time to upgrade for boost in performance

what i do when i upgrade a system is simple....get the best motherboard you can that will support the most upgrades....right now that would be a AMD 870 motherboard do to the fact its running AM5 and will see CPU upgrades for at least 3 more years if not 5 more years if the track record of AM4 holds.....

this board if it works that long should be able to hold anything for the next 5 to 7 years without issues after that 7700x to a 9700x as a cheap option that get you in shooting distance to a 9800x3d.....would keep the 6700xt until everything drops and you can upgrade the GPU next year after the market shakes out.....


someone gave me a 3080 and i had to upgrade my 3700x to a 5700x to match it....that boost alone was worth it to me.....i would love to see your face if your on a 9700x with a 870 board even if your still using a 6700xt and your old monitor....

you lasted 7 years with this system.....let it go.....build the next 7 year system......870 board is that start.....

[GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™]

I would literally get a 5700x3d and never look back. You have an opportunity to exploit a massive amount of value here.

[SHREDDER]

as i said i get pc parts that releases at the same year . If i wantted 5000 i would had got it in 2020 when ryzen 5000 released. That why a good choice is ryzen 9000 or better.
But i thought a lot about it yesterday

Maybe will it better to get a RX 8800 insteafo cf chaning cpu rma and motherboard? I already have amuch better graphics card and ssd than cpu becausei changed graphics card in 2021 and ssd in 2020 while ihave cpu ram and motherboard since 2017.
I have decided the next upgrade to be cpu ram and motherboard.
But yesterday i realizd something:
That because we use the pc daily and for many things that it is very important thati t has the best grapihcs/image quality.
For that it needs the best grapihcs card.
THis meade me think again...
That maybe will it be a better choice insted of getting a 9700x with 32 gb ddfr5 6400mhz to keep the cpui that ihave and get a 8800xt? And when one of the 3 dies(cpu ram or motherboard) then change them?

[Illusion of Progress]

Originally posted by SHREDDER:

as i said i get pc parts that releases at the same year . If i wantted 5000 i would had got it in 2020 when ryzen 5000 released. That why a good choice is ryzen 9000 or better.
But i thought a lot about it yesterday

Maybe will it better to get a RX 8800 insteafo cf chaning cpu rma and motherboard? I already have amuch better graphics card and ssd than cpu becausei changed graphics card in 2021 and ssd in 2020 while ihave cpu ram and motherboard since 2017.
I have decided the next upgrade to be cpu ram and motherboard.
But yesterday i realizd something:
That because we use the pc daily and for many things that it is very important thati t has the best grapihcs/image quality.
For that it needs the best grapihcs card.
THis meade me think again...
That maybe will it be a better choice insted of getting a 9700x with 32 gb ddfr5 6400mhz to keep the cpui that ihave and get a 8800xt? And when one of the 3 dies(cpu ram or motherboard) then change them?

You're missing the point.

The Ryzen 5000 released late 2020, but it wasn't a good value at the time. After Intel launched the 12th generation and when AMD added more SKUs (like the 5600 and 5700X), increasing the value of the generation, and namely when the 5800X3D released later, is when it was a better time to jump on the Ryzen 5000 series. Looking at release date isn't everything. Price/performance are better markers to look at.

The 5800X3D released in 2022 and it kept up with Ryzen 7000 series in games (and by extension, this means it shouldn't be much behind the Ryzen 9000 series because it was called "Zen 5%" for a reason (only the 9800X3D is much faster than the previous serious counterpart, and the non-X3Ds aren't).

In other words, unless you get a 7800X3D or 9800X3D, you're only spending more money for barely any more performance than a 5700X3D will bring you.

A modern mid-range or higher graphics card will bottleneck badly on your Ryzen 1700X. That had like Sky Lake level core performance and you're planning to put a GPU possibly near an RTX 4080 on it!? Don't. You will want to upgrade the CPU first. Then, upgrade your GPU later. Right now isn't a great time to buy a GPU unless you're buying an RTX 5080 or RTX 5090. Why? AMD won't be releasing high end parts, and nVidia's entry level/mid range are going to be using the same VRAM amounts they have now (8 GB and 12 GB respectively). So they're not really a big change over what exists now. Either the mid-generation refresh or the following series (RTX 60 and Radeon RX 9000 series) will be better times to buy. Your RX 6700 XT is fine for now.

But a new CPU first.

5700X3D or 9800X3D are your best options. I think a 9700X or similar is just a poorer choice when the 5700X3D offers "close enough" and won't need a new motherboard/RAM. If you're dead set on moving to AM5, spend a little more and get the 9800X3D instead of the 9700X.

[SHREDDER]

The 9700x costs 350 euros but 9800XD is much more expensive at 1090 euros now! Also from the benchmarks that i saw thereis not much difference int he perfomance of the pc between then,
Another option is to wait until they release the simple models those who have the coolder inside the box and get one of them instead of the current x models who dont have cooler and you need to buy it separately.

[Illusion of Progress]

Originally posted by SHREDDER:

The 9700x costs 350 euros but 9800XD is much more expensive at 1090 euros now! Also from the benchmarks that i saw thereis not much difference int he perfomance of the pc between then,
Another option is to wait until they release the simple models those who have the coolder inside the box and get one of them instead of the current x models who dont have cooler and you need to buy it separately.

Okay, yikes, yeah that kind of pricing makes the 9800X3D not worth it. At all.

Still... the 5700X3D makes the 9700X also not worth it. At least for gaming (if you're doing productivity too, maybe different story).

https://gamersnexus.net/cpus/wasted-opportunity-amd-ryzen-7-9700x-cpu-review-benchmarks-vs-7800x3d-7700x-more

Notice how close the 9700X and 5700X3D are in most gaming results; sometimes one is a little better and sometimes the other is a little better. In other words, they're close on average and both have a couple outliers.

With the 5700X3D, you only buy the CPU + cooling instead of more expensive CPU + motherboard + RAM. 250 euros (?) for parts, give your tech lunch or a payment to swap it in, and you get the same results for much less money. That saved money can go for a GPU upgrade in a few years. 5700X3D will still easily handle a mid-range/upper mid-range GPU from then. And then few years after that (around 2030), you can look back at replacing the platform and you'll have AM6/whatever Intel has will be out.

I'm telling you, you bought AM4 early and this is THE platform with the best longevity growth from beginning to end, and you actually have decent enough RAM to utilize the latest AM4 CPUs on it. It doesn't get any better for you. Take advantage of it!

[Boshedo]

Here is a little background about what I do when it comes to upgrading. I upgrade every few years. My last upgrade I came from an I7-7700k processor with the 6700xt which you seem to have OP. Just recently I upgraded that processor to the 5800X3D and bought the 7900xtx card. Its day and night difference on performance. I play in 1440p. I don't want to touch 4k. When it comes to upgrading your system, if budget allows, try to get the best processor that you can afford. With that being said you can't go wrong with upgrading to a 5800X3D. It runs all my games flawlessly. I could upgrade to the 9800X3D processor but that would entail upgrading my motherboard, ram, and having to get another Corsair Cooler. The card I have now will last a very long time.

[xDDD]

Your motherboard is getting old so honestly I think the better choice would just be taking the leap into the AM5 platform. The 5700X3D is a great chip, but as rob said I don't think that old mobo would do it justice.


9700X is perfectly fine. A lot of people rag on it because the X3Ds (the best gaming CPUs on the market) have better performance under the very specific benchmark parameters.
The 9800X3D undeniably has better performance in most games. However, I should note that benchmarkers always do 1080p to essentially isolate the CPU which is great for analyzing raw performance BUT if you are playing at 1440p or 4k (as most high-end gamers do) the performance gap is going to be smaller and smaller as it becomes more GPU-bound.

One thing worth noting too is that the 9800X3D caps out at 150 watts while the 9700X caps out at around 88 watts. So, in theory, the 9700X would produce significantly less heat, therefore you could probably get away with a less-substantial cooler on a 9700X than on a 9800X3D.

[Guydodge]

Originally posted by GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™:

I would literally get a 5700x3d and never look back. You have an opportunity to exploit a massive amount of value here.

your R7 1700 is a dead cpu i doubt highly your even getting the performance out of your
6700xt you should be this poster hit the nail on the head !!!

[SHREDDER]

Originally posted by Boshedo:

Here is a little background about what I do when it comes to upgrading. I upgrade every few years. My last upgrade I came from an I7-7700k processor with the 6700xt which you seem to have OP. Just recently I upgraded that processor to the 5800X3D and bought the 7900xtx card. Its day and night difference on performance. I play in 1440p. I don't want to touch 4k. When it comes to upgrading your system, if budget allows, try to get the best processor that you can afford. With that being said you can't go wrong with upgrading to a 5800X3D. It runs all my games flawlessly. I could upgrade to the 9800X3D processor but that would entail upgrading my motherboard, ram, and having to get another Corsair Cooler. The card I have now will last a very long time.

I dont thnink that a upgrade from 6700xt to 7900xts will be worth it as i still run all games maxed 1440p 60 fps and i use fsr for those who have ray tracing to run them with max graphics and max ray tracing 1440p 60 fps.
Which means that the only reason to get a RTX 5080 or RX 8800XT when they release next month will be for max graphics and max ray tracing 1440p 60 fps without FSR(but i dont user fsr in games who dont have ray tracing becausr as i said those still run maxed 1440p 60 fps without it).
According to rumors RX 8800XT will be more powerful than RTX 4080 super but will consume a lot less watt https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-8800-xt-rdna-4-gpu-faster-rt-performance-7900-xtx-on-par-rtx-4080-raster/
Did you also changed psu for the RX 7900XTX or did you kept the same that you have?
What psu do you have now and mhow many years you have it
?Today i met with two of my friends and we went to a pc shop and i talked with the pc technicians there about the possbilties of upgrades.
Their opinion was to change cpu ram and motherboard and kepp the ssd and graphics card but if i also want to get 88800xt or 50850 then no problem.

[Boshedo]

Originally posted by SHREDDER:

Originally posted by Boshedo:

Here is a little background about what I do when it comes to upgrading. I upgrade every few years. My last upgrade I came from an I7-7700k processor with the 6700xt which you seem to have OP. Just recently I upgraded that processor to the 5800X3D and bought the 7900xtx card. Its day and night difference on performance. I play in 1440p. I don't want to touch 4k. When it comes to upgrading your system, if budget allows, try to get the best processor that you can afford. With that being said you can't go wrong with upgrading to a 5800X3D. It runs all my games flawlessly. I could upgrade to the 9800X3D processor but that would entail upgrading my motherboard, ram, and having to get another Corsair Cooler. The card I have now will last a very long time.

I dont thnink that a upgrade from 6700xt to 7900xts will be worth it as i still run all games maxed 1440p 60 fps and i use fsr for those who have ray tracing to run them with max graphics and max ray tracing 1440p 60 fps.
Which means that the only reason to get a RTX 5080 or RX 8800XT when they release next month will be for max graphics and max ray tracing 1440p 60 fps without FSR(but i dont user fsr in games who dont have ray tracing becausr as i said those still run maxed 1440p 60 fps without it).
According to rumors RX 8800XT will be more powerful than RTX 4080 super but will consume a lot less watt https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-8800-xt-rdna-4-gpu-faster-rt-performance-7900-xtx-on-par-rtx-4080-raster/
Did you also changed psu for the RX 7900XTX or did you kept the same that you have?
What psu do you have now and mhow many years you have it
?Today i met with two of my friends and we went to a pc shop and i talked with the pc technicians there about the possbilties of upgrades.
Their opinion was to change cpu ram and motherboard and kepp the ssd and graphics card but if i also want to get 88800xt or 50850 then no problem.

Only reason why I went from 6700xt to a 7900xtx was because I was noticing lagging in certain games. Once I upgraded to the 7900xtx it all went away. Plus, everything just looks sharper for me. I'm selling my 6700xt on Ebay right now. I'm running an 800 watt Corsair Power Supply right now. The minimum requirements for my card is 800. No crashes or nothing. I'm not sure if my case would be big enough for a bigger power supply. I have the Corsair RGB mid tower case with the see through windows. It looks beautiful and with all the colors going I couldn't be any happier. You are more than welcome to keep the card that you have now. If you aren't having any issues with lagging then you will be good. You just don't want your system to bottleneck.

https://www.newegg.com/white-corsair-icue-4000x-rgb-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811139158

I believe this is my case. Its been a while since I bought it.