What will you do when your favorite new releases force ray tracing that can't be disabled?

[Faiyez]

Some of you are skipping Indiana Jones because of this. But what happens with games that people will actually want to play?

Will you play Witcher 4 or GTA 6 if they force ray tracing?

[Monk]

Messaggio originale di D. Flame:

Messaggio originale di Monk:

Ok, if you are at 30 fps and you use frame gen to boost it, yes it will still feel like 30, but it will look smoother, which, if you have the choice of 30fps feel and look or 30fps feel but 60+ fps smother animation s, there is a clear winner.

Without frame gen but with dlss and Ray tracing I got around 90 fps in Cp2077, with it I could maintain over 120 (this is pre the latest iteration), so instead of that 30fos 'feel' I have the 90 fps feel, but can now boost the smoothness so thst I maintain a locked 120fps, that is great for visual and experience that you only tend to notice if you sit and study the scene, something you don't tend to do while actively playing the game.

Call it fake all you want, but thst us a great progress.

Even Gamers Nexus is calling them fake frames now.

If you already have 90+ frames you can use them as a placebo. If you are trying to boost 27fps to 108 frames, like in the Nvidia demo, it will feel like garbage.

Messaggio originale di C1REX:

Ray tracing is becoming more and more accessible so people can have it while reaching high fps at the same time.
Even consoles can do ray tracing these days and still hit 60fps at 4K+FSR/PSSR

Dragons Dogma 2 struggled to stay above 30 FPS on consoles. FF16 faired little better. Etc.

Nexus is a fool who doesn't play games or know how to benchmark, stopped watching him years ago.

As for turning 27 into 108fps, no poop a sub 30 experience will suck in feel, it would without frame gen to, atleast with it, it looks nice and smooth.

Ive not seen anyone argue it will feel better, but no ones forcing anyone to do that, include dlss and adjust a setting or two and that 27 base becomes more like 90, which when paired with frame gen is a good experience.

You have free will and a settings menu, use the tools available to you to craft the best experience, I see that as a win as do most who use it, so it would seem.

[D. Flame]

Messaggio originale di Monk:

As for turning 27 into 108fps, no poop a sub 30 experience will suck in feel

And yet, that is the exact example that Nvidia used to showcase this snake oil tech.

[Quint]

OK contrarian. We got it you aren't the sharpest tool. Come back after a decade then we'll talk.

[D. Flame]

So I decided to test it. I ran the Black Myth Wukong tool 3 times. 1st at the recommended settings with RT turned off. Then RT turned to Very High with no other settings changed. Then RT turned to low with no other settings changed. After each run, I changed to the next setting, then exited and reopened the benchmark (since the RT settings only seemed to change after exiting and restarting).

The visuals had barely any noticeable Differences.

Average with RT turned OFF:
72 FPS

Average with RT turned to VERY HIGH:
24 FPS
aka a percentage decrease of approximately 66.7% versus RT being turned off

Average with RT turned to LOW:
42 FPS
aka a percentage decrease of approximately 41.7% versus RT being turned off

Sorry, but a 67% and a 42% performance loss is not worth a barely noticeable difference in graphics.

[r.linder]

Messaggio originale di D. Flame:

So I decided to test it. I ran the Black Myth Wukong tool 3 times. 1st at the recommended settings with RT turned off. Then RT turned to Very High with no other settings changed. Then RT turned to low with no other settings changed. After each run, I changed to the next setting, then exited and reopened the benchmark (since the RT settings only seemed to change after exiting and restarting).

The visuals had barely any noticeable Differences.

Average with RT turned OFF:
72 FPS

Average with RT turned to VERY HIGH:
24 FPS
aka a percentage decrease of approximately 66.7% versus RT being turned off

Average with RT turned to LOW:
42 FPS
aka a percentage decrease of approximately 41.7% versus RT being turned off

Sorry, but a 67% and a 42% performance loss is not worth a barely noticeable difference in graphics.

You picked a low end card that was mocked at launch, so it was obviously not going to be impressive because it was never an impressive card from the start.

People that use higher end graphics are considerably more likely to use RT, your example is skewed because a lower budget system lacks the performance. Even a 4070 can do it well enough.

[D. Flame]

Messaggio originale di r.linder:

Messaggio originale di D. Flame:

So I decided to test it. I ran the Black Myth Wukong tool 3 times. 1st at the recommended settings with RT turned off. Then RT turned to Very High with no other settings changed. Then RT turned to low with no other settings changed. After each run, I changed to the next setting, then exited and reopened the benchmark (since the RT settings only seemed to change after exiting and restarting).

The visuals had barely any noticeable Differences.

Average with RT turned OFF:
72 FPS

Average with RT turned to VERY HIGH:
24 FPS
aka a percentage decrease of approximately 66.7% versus RT being turned off

Average with RT turned to LOW:
42 FPS
aka a percentage decrease of approximately 41.7% versus RT being turned off

Sorry, but a 67% and a 42% performance loss is not worth a barely noticeable difference in graphics.

You picked a low end card that was mocked at launch, so it was obviously not going to be impressive because it was never an impressive card from the start.

People that use higher end graphics are considerably more likely to use RT, your example is skewed because a lower budget system lacks the performance. Even a 4070 can do it well enough.

Post your own results then. Post your Results with RT off, then turn it to Very High. Close the tool and reopen it, then run it again and post those results too.

Regardless of which card you use, you will see a performance hit.

And a 4060ti with 16GB of VRAM is still like $450. A 4070 is almost double that on Amazon. It isn't worth it just to turn on RT that has no significant uplift in graphics.

[r.linder]

Messaggio originale di D. Flame:

Messaggio originale di r.linder:

You picked a low end card that was mocked at launch, so it was obviously not going to be impressive because it was never an impressive card from the start.

People that use higher end graphics are considerably more likely to use RT, your example is skewed because a lower budget system lacks the performance. Even a 4070 can do it well enough.

Post your own results then. Post your Results with RT off, then turn it to Very High. Close the tool and reopen it, then run it again and post those results too.

Regardless of which card you use, you will see a performance hit.

And a 4060ti with 16GB of VRAM is still like $450. A 4070 is almost double that on Amazon. It isn't worth it just to turn on RT that has no significant uplift in graphics.

Difference is I don't care if there's a performance hit, and my 4070 Ti Super would probably still perform better than your 4060 Ti in raster

I don't have that specific game so I can't test it.

[D. Flame]

Messaggio originale di r.linder:

Messaggio originale di D. Flame:

Post your own results then. Post your Results with RT off, then turn it to Very High. Close the tool and reopen it, then run it again and post those results too.

Regardless of which card you use, you will see a performance hit.

And a 4060ti with 16GB of VRAM is still like $450. A 4070 is almost double that on Amazon. It isn't worth it just to turn on RT that has no significant uplift in graphics.

Difference is I don't care if there's a performance hit, and my 4070 Ti Super would probably still perform better than your 4060 Ti in raster

I don't have that specific game so I can't test it.

Hey at least you are no longer pretending that there is not a hit. That is an improvement.

And the benchmarking tool is free:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3132990/Black_Myth_Wukong_Benchmark_Tool/

[r.linder]

Messaggio originale di D. Flame:

Messaggio originale di r.linder:

Difference is I don't care if there's a performance hit, and my 4070 Ti Super would probably still perform better than your 4060 Ti in raster

I don't have that specific game so I can't test it.

Hey at least you are no longer pretending that there is not a hit. That is an improvement.

And the benchmarking tool is free:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3132990/Black_Myth_Wukong_Benchmark_Tool/

I never said there wasn't a hit, just that it really isn't that significant when you have a machine that's actually good enough to play at maxed out settings.

It's a preference to have better graphics just as it's a preference to have higher frame rates. But suggesting that gamers just want more FPS and don't much care for RT couldn't be more wrong, the industry moves forward in graphics more than everything else, to the point that AAA studio devs tend to forget about refining the gameplay aspects, and if a high profile game came out with dated graphics, a lot of people would be complaining about that.

[D. Flame]

Messaggio originale di r.linder:

Messaggio originale di D. Flame:

Hey at least you are no longer pretending that there is not a hit. That is an improvement.

And the benchmarking tool is free:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3132990/Black_Myth_Wukong_Benchmark_Tool/

I never said there wasn't a hit, just that it really isn't that significant when you have a machine that's actually good enough to play at maxed out settings.

So post your results using that free tool, and we can pick up the discussion afterwards.

[r.linder]

Messaggio originale di D. Flame:

Messaggio originale di r.linder:

I never said there wasn't a hit, just that it really isn't that significant when you have a machine that's actually good enough to play at maxed out settings.

So post your results using that free tool, and we can pick up the discussion afterwards.

Nah, it's a synthetic benchmark and it doesn't add anything to the actual discussion which is entirely just your preference to hate on RT and DLSS

[Quint]

Messaggio originale di D Flame:

Hey at least you are no longer pretending that there is not a hit. That is an improvement.

Is this "RTX does no performance hit" person in the room with us?

[Bing Chilling]

i just wont buy it. i don't support mandatory Ray Tracing, atleast until ray tracing doesn't nearly half FPS. in 5 or so years, maybe. budget cards still aren't nearly capable of running ray tracing without some sort of upscaling and even then they struggle HARD. ♥♥♥♥ even top end cards struggle with it at native.

not paying 600$+ just for ever so slightly better lighting and reflections. ray tracing is and always will be a gimmick used by devs to make it easier to create lighting/reflections and shadows while basically forcing people to use uscaling at the expense of the end user.

[D. Flame]

Messaggio originale di r.linder:

Messaggio originale di D. Flame:

So post your results using that free tool, and we can pick up the discussion afterwards.

Nah, it's a synthetic benchmark and it doesn't add anything to the actual discussion which is entirely just your preference to hate on RT and DLSS

Oh hey, look, when hard facts come into the picture, all the defenders run away.


[s] I am shocked. Shocked, I say! [/s]

And with that, I have won the debate. Moving on.

[Bing Chilling]

Messaggio originale di D. Flame:

Messaggio originale di r.linder:

Nah, it's a synthetic benchmark and it doesn't add anything to the actual discussion which is entirely just your preference to hate on RT and DLSS

Oh hey, look, when hard facts come into the picture, all the defenders run away.


[s] I am shocked. Shocked, I say! [/s]

And with that, I have won the debate. Moving on.

are you like 5? lol relax