THe RTX 5000 series is gonna be a flop and heres why.

[Guldo]

If the leaks are true nvidia is coming out with a 16 pin power connector wich is devestating news for anyone that prefers nvidia over amd because that means these cards are going to be too big to fit in anyones case and over heating will also become an issue.

Now i can understand why amd is making no high end cards next gen because why even bother.

This definitly has to do with diminishing returns of shrinking the node as they arent getting the same uplift they used to so they have to make up the slack by making the cards bigger.

[spicy little monkey]

First review I checked on Google showed GTX 580 had a peak pwr consumption of 304w.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από waffleciocc:

First review I checked on Google showed GTX 580 had a peak pwr consumption of 304w.

That might be some model that allows more power for overclocking. But no 300W is not the norm for any GTX 50 series.

[Guldo]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dutchgamer1982:

R9.. those are amd cards.
nvidea always used to be more power efficient.

don't compare crappy amd cards with nvidea.. we are talking 2xx series to today here.. and likely even before that..

Ah, I see you're Nvidia biased.

Well, no point in chatting because I already know this won't be a neutral discussion

alot of people are nvidia biased. if you tell them amd cards are actualy a good choice if you dont care about ray tracing and DLSS they get mad.

The fact of the matter is ray tracing still harms performance too much and path tracing is even worse.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

You say biased when it's actually just truth. Just because people don't accept the truth doesn't make it incorrect.

Just like the OP to start this thread, it was pointless to begin with and now this thread is just full of off topic non-sense.

[spicy little monkey]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Bad 💀 Motha:

You say biased when it's actually just truth.

Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha

Good one

[spicy little monkey]

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The fact of the matter is ray tracing still harms performance too much and path tracing is even worse.

I mean, what do you expect? It's ray/path tracing. People expect CGI film quality graphics to be done in real time. People who know very little about ray tracing.

That quality isn't coming to real time for 15-20 years.

[Dutchgamer1982]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dutchgamer1982:

450w is idiotic. top models always used 250w.
and prices even when corrected for inflation are insane.

as stated there used to be a normal pricepoint for x60 x70 x80 x80ti and x80/titan
and the best cards of those always used 220-250W... only the last 2 gens suddenly went insane with 450W.

likewise prices used to be more
150 euro x50
200 euro x60
350 euro x70
500 euro x80
700 euro x80ti
1100 euro titan/x90

when i add the inflation since prices were last like that... I get the above numbers..

what good is a card that cost 3000 euro and uses 7000 euro in 2 years in electricity..

a smaller performance gain.. but with prices back to what historicly they should be (corrected for inflation) and with a powerdraw to match.. will give users WAY more performance gain..

Don’t see the issue with 450w..
Use decent 1k+ watt psu and case with good airflow.
Problem solved

I have a 1500W titatinium psu and custom waterloop.

the issue is : 58 eurocent per kwh and not so long ago 140 eurocent per kwh...

power is costly... and if you use your pc basicly 24/7 than 200W more will add up..

the current 4090 price is doubvle what it should be.. but it's 450W means it costs 4 times what it should be..

even if you have funds.. there comes a point where it gets ridiculous..
such high voltages are yet another way to drive up the price.. to the point I rather have a more efficient more expensive card...

[r.linder]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dutchgamer1982:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Karumati:

Don’t see the issue with 450w..
Use decent 1k+ watt psu and case with good airflow.
Problem solved

I have a 1500W titatinium psu and custom waterloop.

the issue is : 58 eurocent per kwh and not so long ago 140 eurocent per kwh...

power is costly...

Considering your literal fear of using more power, buying a 1500W Titanium rated unit was stupid. You can't even take full advantage of that PSU unless you're drawing closer to 750W (in total system load), because half of the rated load is where power supplies run the most efficiently and waste the least amount of energy in the conversion from AC to DC as heat, the further you get from 50%, the more wasted energy. Energy that is being drawn and converted into heat as a result of the process.

Your PSU was literally made to handle systems drawing a lot of power, more than you're even willing to draw.

[Karumati]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dutchgamer1982:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Karumati:

Don’t see the issue with 450w..
Use decent 1k+ watt psu and case with good airflow.
Problem solved

I have a 1500W titatinium psu and custom waterloop.

the issue is : 58 eurocent per kwh and not so long ago 140 eurocent per kwh...

power is costly... and if you use your pc basicly 24/7 than 200W more will add up..

the current 4090 price is doubvle what it should be.. but it's 450W means it costs 4 times what it should be..

even if you have funds.. there comes a point where it gets ridiculous..
such high voltages are yet another way to drive up the price.. to the point I rather have a more efficient more expensive card...

No gamer runs their pc at full load 24/7

[Dutchgamer1982]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Karumati:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dutchgamer1982:

I have a 1500W titatinium psu and custom waterloop.

the issue is : 58 eurocent per kwh and not so long ago 140 eurocent per kwh...

power is costly... and if you use your pc basicly 24/7 than 200W more will add up..

the current 4090 price is doubvle what it should be.. but it's 450W means it costs 4 times what it should be..

even if you have funds.. there comes a point where it gets ridiculous..
such high voltages are yet another way to drive up the price.. to the point I rather have a more efficient more expensive card...

No gamer runs their pc at full load 24/7

I do more than just gaming..
and I rarely close games/turn the pc off.. leaving games in pauzed all day until it is time to continue my game.. rather than close the game.. set pc in sleep and such..

[Dutchgamer1982]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dutchgamer1982:

I have a 1500W titatinium psu and custom waterloop.

the issue is : 58 eurocent per kwh and not so long ago 140 eurocent per kwh...

power is costly...

Considering your literal fear of using more power, buying a 1500W Titanium rated unit was stupid. You can't even take full advantage of that PSU unless you're drawing closer to 750W (in total system load), because half of the rated load is where power supplies run the most efficiently and waste the least amount of energy in the conversion from AC to DC as heat, the further you get from 50%, the more wasted energy. Energy that is being drawn and converted into heat as a result of the process.

Your PSU was literally made to handle systems drawing a lot of power, more than you're even willing to draw.

at the time I bought it I was considering 4 way SLI 980ti.. 16x16x16x16.
not to use all the time.. but to have it as option for when tasks needed that extra boost.

but with the end of sli.. indeed such high powerdraw never is needed.

also I back than basicly just selected the best part in every area best cpu best ram best gpu.. best of everything.. not cause I neccecairly needed it..;)

and it had a very stable powerprofile (the microflunctations in voltage) way more than other psu's.. meaning less strain on all parts... and more stable over and underclocks...

lower wattage psu's just were never that stable.

and it had nice white fabric sleeves canles you could buy.. few other psu's had those to offer..
and I had no taste for plastic sleeving or using offbrand cables..

[Karumati]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dutchgamer1982:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Karumati:

No gamer runs their pc at full load 24/7

I do more than just gaming..
and I rarely close games/turn the pc off.. leaving games in pauzed all day until it is time to continue my game.. rather than close the game.. set pc in sleep and such..

that's your problem if you not closing games,
also if you also working using your pc then surely you can afford to pay for electricity regardless.
current energy consumption by gpu's is just fine.
not enough performance yet tho.

[r.linder]

It's pretty simple. If it seems too expensive, then try making more money or stop living outside of your means.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Karumati:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dutchgamer1982:

I do more than just gaming..
and I rarely close games/turn the pc off.. leaving games in pauzed all day until it is time to continue my game.. rather than close the game.. set pc in sleep and such..

that's your problem if you not closing games,
also if you also working using your pc then surely you can afford to pay for electricity regardless.
current energy consumption by gpu's is just fine.
not enough performance yet tho.

performance is fine.. but energy consumption is way to high
give me 4090 performance but with 250w

[Karumati]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dutchgamer1982:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Karumati:

that's your problem if you not closing games,
also if you also working using your pc then surely you can afford to pay for electricity regardless.
current energy consumption by gpu's is just fine.
not enough performance yet tho.

performance is fine.. but energy consumption is way to high
give me 4090 performance but with 250w

give me double of 4090 performance, so i can finally upgrade my screen for higher refresh rate one