THe RTX 5000 series is gonna be a flop and heres why.

[Guldo]

If the leaks are true nvidia is coming out with a 16 pin power connector wich is devestating news for anyone that prefers nvidia over amd because that means these cards are going to be too big to fit in anyones case and over heating will also become an issue.

Now i can understand why amd is making no high end cards next gen because why even bother.

This definitly has to do with diminishing returns of shrinking the node as they arent getting the same uplift they used to so they have to make up the slack by making the cards bigger.

[Guldo]

İlk olarak nullable tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Kenshiro tarafından gönderildi:

i dont know if i really buy this because graphics cards have been getting bigger and bigger over the years.

compare the size of a 9800GT to what we have now. I have been paying attention to the size creep for a very long time

My 2080 super was like 2/3's the size of my 1080 ti.

You're oversimplifying things and inferring that a new power connector somehow correlates directly to card size. Would you care to show your work?

İlk olarak Kenshiro tarafından gönderildi:

i know right. Its basicly entropy kicking in after all these years and people are blinded by normalcy bias to not see size is becoming a problem.

people care more about performance than the physical size of hardware...

It's not like there's some status quo that exists that needs to be maintained forever. It's not like PC's as they are today will always be that way. Pretending like things changing is a problem might only be a problem for you.

size will eventualy become an issue if they keep on being able to shrink the node. this is an inescapable fact.

[Guldo]

İlk olarak lsdninja tarafından gönderildi:

nVidia can do what it wants, I don’t plan on buying any of these cards because you know the pricing is going to be utter ♥♥♥♥.

what these people dont understand is cards are going to get so big you will need gpu stands inside of the case just to keep the weight of the gpu from breaking the pcie lane its hooked in to and it is getting that rediculous.

[Guldo]

well speak of the devil gpu stands are already here.

https://www.amazon.com/Antec-Support-Bracket-Graphics-Adjustable/dp/B0CFY1J8DD/ref=asc_df_B0CFY1J8DD&mcid=3e99226eac5f380486b853356e611a27?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80195817979963&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583795283187494&th=1

tell me more how gpus getting bigger isnt a problem. This is called entropy.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

İlk olarak nullable tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Kenshiro tarafından gönderildi:

i dont know if i really buy this because graphics cards have been getting bigger and bigger over the years.

compare the size of a 9800GT to what we have now. I have been paying attention to the size creep for a very long time

My 2080 super was like 2/3's the size of my 1080 ti.

You're oversimplifying things and inferring that a new power connector somehow correlates directly to card size. Would you care to show your work?

İlk olarak Kenshiro tarafından gönderildi:

i know right. Its basicly entropy kicking in after all these years and people are blinded by normalcy bias to not see size is becoming a problem.

people care more about performance than the physical size of hardware...

It's not like there's some status quo that exists that needs to be maintained forever. It's not like PC's as they are today will always be that way. Pretending like things changing is a problem might only be a problem for you.

I was going off the NVIDIA FE cards which we always see first since the OP wants to do this whole "OMG all the RTX 50 are going to be SO big". No the 5090 will be which is be expected. Not the others.

[The_Abortionator]

Dude, the cards are a year out. I'm no Nvidia fan but you can't go off of rumors for a product set for holidays 2025.

[Guldo]

İlk olarak Bad 💀 Motha tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak nullable tarafından gönderildi:

My 2080 super was like 2/3's the size of my 1080 ti.

You're oversimplifying things and inferring that a new power connector somehow correlates directly to card size. Would you care to show your work?



people care more about performance than the physical size of hardware...

It's not like there's some status quo that exists that needs to be maintained forever. It's not like PC's as they are today will always be that way. Pretending like things changing is a problem might only be a problem for you.

I was going off the NVIDIA FE cards which we always see first since the OP wants to do this whole "OMG all the RTX 50 are going to be SO big". No the 5090 will be which is be expected. Not the others.

This is a strawman argument because i am comparing strictly the same class of gpu to next gens equivelent and even the AIBs vs past generation AIBS are bigger.

the 9800GT was a flagship gpu back in the day and thats why i used it for my comparison.

[lsdninja]

İlk olarak Kenshiro tarafından gönderildi:

what these people dont understand is cards are going to get so big you will need gpu stands inside of the case just to keep the weight of the gpu from breaking the pcie lane its hooked in to and it is getting that rediculous.

Oh, I’m definitely not buying any card that needs jack stands to keep it in the slot, either, but that tends to scale with price too so I feel fairly safe for now. If that changes, we’ll, I still have a huge backlog :P

[Guldo]

İlk olarak The_Abortionator tarafından gönderildi:

Dude, the cards are a year out. I'm no Nvidia fan but you can't go off of rumors for a product set for holidays 2025.

GPUs have ♥♥♥♥♥♥ so big they sell stands now lol. it makes it far more likely the rumors are true than not because the smaller the node gets the more power hungry the card gets wich means more heat wich means a bigger heatsink is needed.

[Guldo]

İlk olarak lsdninja tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Kenshiro tarafından gönderildi:

what these people dont understand is cards are going to get so big you will need gpu stands inside of the case just to keep the weight of the gpu from breaking the pcie lane its hooked in to and it is getting that rediculous.

Oh, I’m definitely not buying any card that needs jack stands to keep it in the slot, either, but that tends to scale with price too so I feel fairly safe for now. If that changes, we’ll, I still have a huge backlog :P

i dont know why people wanna argue cards arent getting bigger when you can look at the 9800GT and see thats 100% false.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

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İlk olarak Bad 💀 Motha tarafından gönderildi:

I was going off the NVIDIA FE cards which we always see first since the OP wants to do this whole "OMG all the RTX 50 are going to be SO big". No the 5090 will be which is be expected. Not the others.

This is a strawman argument because i am comparing strictly the same class of gpu to next gens equivelent and even the AIBs vs past generation AIBS are bigger.

the 9800GT was a flagship gpu back in the day and thats why i used it for my comparison.

So you created this thread to cry and wine about the size of flagship GPUs compared to a GPU from 16 YEAR ago??? Do you even hear yourself?

Are you even going to buying an RTX 4090 or 5090? Then what's the point here... exactly... there isn't one. Not worth all this combative chatter.

[Guldo]

İlk olarak Bad 💀 Motha tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Kenshiro tarafından gönderildi:

This is a strawman argument because i am comparing strictly the same class of gpu to next gens equivelent and even the AIBs vs past generation AIBS are bigger.

the 9800GT was a flagship gpu back in the day and thats why i used it for my comparison.

So you created this thread to cry and wine about the size of flagship GPUs compared to a GPU from 16 YEAR ago??? Do you even hear yourself?

Are you even going to buying an RTX 4090 or 5090? Then what's the point here... exactly... there isn't one. Not worth all this combative chatter.

This thread was made to shine a light on the fact that gpus are getting too big and they are and that is a fact.

i made this thread because i suspect that nvidia doesnt care how big they get as long as they can say they are the fastest.

its not sustainable. you can only make something so big with a finite amount of space.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Again though. Aftermarket cards CAN be reduced in size. As AGAIN the PCB with all the hardware on it is NOT all that big.

[Guldo]

İlk olarak Bad 💀 Motha tarafından gönderildi:

Again though. Aftermarket cards CAN be reduced in size. As AGAIN the PCB with all the hardware on it is NOT all that big.

i know that the card itself isnt that big and ive already told you this. the fact of the matter is the heatsink is just as much a part of the card as everything else because if it doesnt it will overheat. you arent adding anything to the discussion like is there a way to decrease the size of the heatsink and achieve the same thing as a bigger one or finding a way to ditch the heatsink altogether and have a brand new way to eliminate heat.

because i feel like cards are gonna get bigger even if they cant shrink the node anymore and they need to find some way to cool the card without increasing the size of the heatsink.

[🦜Cloud Boy🦜]

rtx 4090 is 70-80% more powerful compared to previous gen 3090 while pulling the same 450 watts of power, which means, we've got 70-80% power efficiency. Otherwise it would pull 750w for the GPU itself for the performance that it delivers. Nvidia is doing its BEST when it comes to power efficiency.

Moore's law is dead long ago. It already hit its saturation point.
You can keep folding a piece of paper only so far. At some point it bounds to hit its limit. Shrinking the transistors for double the performance and efficiency in EVERY generation can't be possible forever.

That's why GPUs are becoming bigger, to accommodate more transistors and bigger die-size. Hence increasing the cost. RTX 4080 is at least 2x the size of what gtx 1080 was, while delivering 4x raw performance.

4x performance uplift in just 3 generations apart.
Can you calculate how much performance uplift we've got in each generation on average?

If a GPU gets 30% performance uplift in a generation (which was more common), it would take 3 generations just to DOUBLE the performance. Nvidia is delivering FAR MORE than it / expected.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AK-Brxtkkjw&t=160s&pp=ygUMMTA4MCB2cyA0MDgw

[Guldo]

İlk olarak 🦜Cloud Boy🦜 tarafından gönderildi:

rtx 4090 is 70-80% more powerful compared to previous gen 3090 while pulling the same 450 watts of power, which means, we've got 70-80% power efficiency. Otherwise it would pull 750w for the GPU itself for the performance that it delivers. Nvidia is doing its BEST when it comes to power efficiency.

Moore's law is dead long ago. It already hit its saturation point.
You can keep folding a piece of paper only so far. At some point it bounds to hit its limit. Shrinking the transistors for double the performance and efficiency in EVERY generation can't be possible forever.

That's why GPUs are becoming bigger, to accommodate more transistors and bigger die-size. Hence increasing the cost. RTX 4080 is at least 2x the size of what gtx 1080 was, while delivering 4x raw performance.

4x performance uplift in just 3 generations apart.
Can you calculate how much performance uplift we've got in each generation on average?

If a GPU gets 30% performance uplift in a generation (which was more common), it would take 3 generations just to DOUBLE the performance. Nvidia is delivering FAR MORE than it / expected.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AK-Brxtkkjw&t=160s&pp=ygUMMTA4MCB2cyA0MDgw

this is why i think gpu size will increase even more rapidly once they start upgrading horizontily instead of verticly.