THe RTX 5000 series is gonna be a flop and heres why.

[Guldo]

If the leaks are true nvidia is coming out with a 16 pin power connector wich is devestating news for anyone that prefers nvidia over amd because that means these cards are going to be too big to fit in anyones case and over heating will also become an issue.

Now i can understand why amd is making no high end cards next gen because why even bother.

This definitly has to do with diminishing returns of shrinking the node as they arent getting the same uplift they used to so they have to make up the slack by making the cards bigger.

[Guydodge]

Escrito originalmente por Kenshiro:

If the leaks are true nvidia is coming out with a 16 pin power connector wich is devestating news for anyone that prefers nvidia over amd because that means these cards are going to be too big to fit in anyones case and over heating will also become an issue.

Now i can understand why amd is making no high end cards next gen because why even bother.

This definitly has to do with diminishing returns of shrinking the node as they arent getting the same uplift they used to so they have to make up the slack by making the cards bigger.

wow..you accomplished to get everything wrong but the name.the 4090 is a by far a superior card in both power and cooling they run very cool i see no reason to not expect better or the same results from the 5090 and rumor has it the card is thinner than the 3090 or 4090.if you havent
updated your case to fit the new cards by now thats on you anyways.build smart !!!

[Joruli]

Escrito originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:

Escrito originalmente por Kenshiro:

The cards are definitly gonna be bigger reguardless.

im not blind lol.

https://www.makeuseof.com/graphics-cards-bigger-every-generation/#:~:text=Remember%20how%20we%20mentioned%20that%20the%20higher-end%20a,requiring%20even%20more%20power%20than%20their%20direct%20predecessors

I never bother with NVIDIA FE cards. I always wait and look at the aftermarket cards.

Plus if they are showing off the RTX 5090 yes it's big. Do people not realize the 4090 is about extremely large even just compared to a 4080. So a 5090 for example does not speak for how big the others would be.

The 4090 is actually a tiny card. Once i took all the after market crap off of it for an EKWB Water block cooler, it was a very small card.

https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-quantum-vector2-fe-rtx-4090-d-rgb-abp-set-nickel-plexi?srsltid=AfmBOoonEZU0tMqMuYqhBUvczZoRk1trZgFDWOSupRqxi9j9BhEvNOfT

[Joruli]

Escrito originalmente por Dragon Quest:

I would like to see the sales figures of High End cards from both firms. I suspect most sales come from mid-range. As for the RTX 5000 Series being a flop they only be a flop if there no better than the current GPU.

I mean look at the RTX 4000 series they are no better than the RTX 3000 plus there naming mess. I mean you have 8GB 4060 AND 4060TI and then the 4060TI 16GB versions

Simply wrong; my water cooled 4090 will destroy anything you can do in the 3000 series. DLSS 3, upgrades to technology, drivers, etc. Especially on my 57" Samsung NEO Odyssey. Would like to see a 3000 series card drive that beast to 120+ fps on max settings.

NON-WATER COOLED DATA ALSO:

"Across all 18 titles the GeForce RTX 4090 performed on average 77% faster than the GeForce RTX 3090, a 1.8X increase in 4K performance gen on gen."

"Interestingly a number of titles ran faster on the RTX 4090 using less power than the RTX 3090, even when pushing a lot more frames. And cooler and quieter too. Even though the power draw can hit 450W, Ada is impressively efficient."

https://www.ausgamers.com/features/read/3642595

[BlueBangkok]

OP letting us know that they know nothing about GPU hardware or market without telling us directly.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Escrito originalmente por Joruli:

Escrito originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:

I never bother with NVIDIA FE cards. I always wait and look at the aftermarket cards.

Plus if they are showing off the RTX 5090 yes it's big. Do people not realize the 4090 is about extremely large even just compared to a 4080. So a 5090 for example does not speak for how big the others would be.

The 4090 is actually a tiny card. Once i took all the after market crap off of it for an EKWB Water block cooler, it was a very small card.

https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-quantum-vector2-fe-rtx-4090-d-rgb-abp-set-nickel-plexi?srsltid=AfmBOoonEZU0tMqMuYqhBUvczZoRk1trZgFDWOSupRqxi9j9BhEvNOfT

Well yes I know that, but I'm not talking about stripping it down for liquid cooling. I'm talking about using the GPU as-is with air cooling.

[smokerob79]

Escrito originalmente por C1REX:

Escrito originalmente por Little Moon:

I would like to see the sales figures of High End cards from both firms. I suspect most sales come from mid-range.

Sales numbers are likely worse than for 4070 but these numbers are less important than profit. Share holders also love high margin products.

again this is the very reason any fab line running high end chips would end up being moved to making AI chips....they have a higher profit margin.......NgreedyA maybe forced to produce more AI chips then gaming chips simply given the profit margins......

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Escrito originalmente por smokerob79:

Escrito originalmente por C1REX:

Sales numbers are likely worse than for 4070 but these numbers are less important than profit. Share holders also love high margin products.

again this is the very reason any fab line running high end chips would end up being moved to making AI chips....they have a higher profit margin.......NgreedyA maybe forced to produce more AI chips then gaming chips simply given the profit margins......

Yea meanwhile AI Startups in China are buying all the Gaming GPUs because the 4090-D is too expensive

[Nick]

Umm wake up. First 6 months to a year these cards will be scalped to 3k 4k territory. We are going to get the typical supply chain issues and short supply bullcrap. The first year these cards will be flying donkeys with cat paws. Basically out of sight expensive and in short supply. Same ♥♥♥♥, different year.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

connextor - no issue
size gpu - no issue
the fact they are more than 100% more expensive even corrected for inflation than any card historicly did cost (scaler prices by nvidia... : a little issue..


the tdp this will imply : BIG issue...

the real progress per watt between 2000 series and 4000 series was just 10%

while for 15 years right upto the 2000 series
the best gpu always used just 250w... and the x70 aka midend.. only 120-130w.
and the xx60 aka lowend.. only 100w

if you double the performance and wattage the gain is ZERO and the need to buy is ZERO.

the 5000 series mission was clear... lower the voltages half them.. but keep 4000 series performance..

it is NOT ok for the highend card to draw 350 or 450w electricity costs a fortune!

a card with 4090 performence.. but no more than 250w.. now that be intresting...
but it should have been what the 4090 was made to pull from the getgo...

they cheaped on proper development expenses.... caring more pumping all in their ai departmeent and banking on the fact radeon aint proper competition anyweay..
giving us a half baked product at tripple the price...

[causality]

I'm still using my 2070super lol. What games are you running need that much power and trailer sized coolers?

[smokerob79]

people are really trying to say a 3090 is smaller then a 280 of over 14 years ago??? NO.....the 280 was based on the GT200 core that was 576mm squared.....the GA102 the 3090 is based on is 628mm squared......the kicker.....the 3090 has 45 million transistors per MM squared VS the 280 at only 2.4 million per square MM

saying the DIES have gotten smaller is just delusional.....they have never been bigger......

[Zefar]

Escrito originalmente por causality:

I'm still using my 2070super lol. What games are you running need that much power and trailer sized coolers?

The First Descendant
Warhammer 3
Black Myth Wukong
Remnant 2
Final Fantasy 16
Lords of the Fallen

All of these have at demanded more than my RTX 3080 FE can handle. Maybe not all of the time but more than enough to make it an issue.
Also this is just at 1080p at 75 FPS.

Maybe you're not playing newer games but plenty of games out there are starting to demand more and more.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Escrito originalmente por Zefar:

Escrito originalmente por causality:

I'm still using my 2070super lol. What games are you running need that much power and trailer sized coolers?

The First Descendant
Warhammer 3
Black Myth Wukong
Remnant 2
Final Fantasy 16
Lords of the Fallen

All of these have at demanded more than my RTX 3080 FE can handle. Maybe not all of the time but more than enough to make it an issue.
Also this is just at 1080p at 75 FPS.

Maybe you're not playing newer games but plenty of games out there are starting to demand more and more.

That must be on your end.

My RTX 3080 had no problems getting 60-90 FPS in Wukong; but that's with DLSS on Quality, Ray Tracing Off and also at 1440p 21:9

RTX 2070 is a joke for medium above 1080p in modern games from last couple years though; for sure.

[Skkooomer Lord]

I agree with the OP, the most successful will just be the 5060 again like every gen gone by.

Nothing changes.

[Karumati]

Escrito originalmente por Engage901:

I agree with the OP, the most successful will just be the 5060 again like every gen gone by.

Nothing changes.

Coz it’s the cheapest.
For enthusiasts buying anything less than xx80 is a waste